| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 20:43 - Mar 17 with 1786 views | Dan_Swan |
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Press Releases
World Rugby statement — Joe Marler investigation outcome by Six Nations Rugby
More information has been sought by the governing body from the tournament organiser of RBS 6 Nations.
World Rugby statement — Joe Marler investigation outcome by Six Nations Rugby
World Rugby notes the outcome of Six Nations Rugby’s investigation into comments made by England’s Joe Marler towards Wales’ Samson Lee during the RBS 6 Nations match at Twickenham on 12 March, 2016.
World Rugby Law 10.4(m) and Regulations 17 (Discipline) and 20 (Misconduct / Code of Conduct) deal with verbal abuse of players.
World Rugby can confirm that, in accordance with its regulations, it has requested further information from Six Nations Rugby (the tournament organiser of the RBS 6 Nations Championship) in respect of the process that led to its decision. |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 20:54 - Mar 17 with 1765 views | sherpajacob |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 20:43 - Mar 17 by Dan_Swan |
http://www.worldrugby.org/news/146718
Press Releases
World Rugby statement — Joe Marler investigation outcome by Six Nations Rugby
More information has been sought by the governing body from the tournament organiser of RBS 6 Nations.
World Rugby statement — Joe Marler investigation outcome by Six Nations Rugby
World Rugby notes the outcome of Six Nations Rugby’s investigation into comments made by England’s Joe Marler towards Wales’ Samson Lee during the RBS 6 Nations match at Twickenham on 12 March, 2016.
World Rugby Law 10.4(m) and Regulations 17 (Discipline) and 20 (Misconduct / Code of Conduct) deal with verbal abuse of players.
World Rugby can confirm that, in accordance with its regulations, it has requested further information from Six Nations Rugby (the tournament organiser of the RBS 6 Nations Championship) in respect of the process that led to its decision. |
Whoever made the decision is now shitting themselves, because its pretty obvious no process was followed. |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 21:00 - Mar 17 with 1752 views | Lohengrin |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 19:31 - Mar 17 by exiledclaseboy |
Lots of use of the word "racist" here. It's not that, it misses the point and cheapens the debate because it allows the "it's Pee Cee GONE MAD!!" types to trot their tiresome, cliche ridden spiel out again.
It was a racial insult. |
To who? |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 21:13 - Mar 17 with 1726 views | Loyal |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 21:00 - Mar 17 by Lohengrin |
To who? |
Does it have to be towards anyone ? |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 21:16 - Mar 17 with 1722 views | Lohengrin |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 21:13 - Mar 17 by Loyal |
Does it have to be towards anyone ? |
I'd have thought so, that's how these things tend to work? | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 00:13 - Mar 18 with 1647 views | Loyal |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 21:16 - Mar 17 by Lohengrin |
I'd have thought so, that's how these things tend to work? |
Not so sure, my understanding is it doesn't have to cause Harrasment, alarm etc to the intended person ..... but anyone within hearing. And the racial element is is proven by the perception of any person who believes or to be racist ( obviously there has to be an element of aggravating circumstance I assume ) | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 08:09 - Mar 18 with 1595 views | dailew |
If it wasn't offensive why was it used in the first place? |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 08:27 - Mar 18 with 1581 views | dailew |
It's pretty simple really.
If you're using a word that describes a feature of a person that they have no control over and you mean it as offensive, don't.
I agree it may have gone too far but being PC is no more than behaving like a well-mannered considerate person would anyway. | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 09:26 - Mar 18 with 1557 views | QuakerJack |
Some interesting points on both sides here and I can see both, but in terms of what's transpired, it really doesnt matter what anyone else thinks, the law says it's racist... The Six Nations officials have once again given England a helping hand and if World Rugby want their sport to flourish they need to come down on the Six Nations like a ton of bricks... |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 09:36 - Mar 18 with 1549 views | dgt73 |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 09:26 - Mar 18 by QuakerJack |
Some interesting points on both sides here and I can see both, but in terms of what's transpired, it really doesnt matter what anyone else thinks, the law says it's racist... The Six Nations officials have once again given England a helping hand and if World Rugby want their sport to flourish they need to come down on the Six Nations like a ton of bricks... |
Who cares what the law says. It also against the law to go 1 mph over the speed limit and I'd put what that English rugby player said in the same category as someone breaking the speed limit by 1 mph - in other words who gives a fcuk. |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 11:11 - Mar 18 with 1511 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 20:54 - Mar 17 by sherpajacob |
Whoever made the decision is now shitting themselves, because its pretty obvious no process was followed. |
Some old farts in blazers that would be. I wonder what sanctions World rugby COULD place on the RFU and six nations committee? You have to say though that if they'd given him a four week ban this would have been forgotten. Now it threatens to go to a whole new level where not only the action on the pitch but the whole tournament could be brought into disrepute.
And elbowing someone in the face is now OK then. Sticks and stones eh! |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 11:13 - Mar 18 with 1504 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 09:36 - Mar 18 by dgt73 |
Who cares what the law says. It also against the law to go 1 mph over the speed limit and I'd put what that English rugby player said in the same category as someone breaking the speed limit by 1 mph - in other words who gives a fcuk. |
No wonder you failed law school.
Did I say law school? Sorry, I meant school. | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 11:23 - Mar 18 with 1491 views | ItchySphincter |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 19:42 - Mar 17 by exiledclaseboy |
I was trying to think of another wheelchair bound celeb and came up short. Kudos for remembering Meg Mortimer's disabled eldest. [Post edited 17 Mar 2016 19:43]
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 13:55 - Mar 18 with 1444 views | ymaohyd |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 20:54 - Mar 17 by sherpajacob |
Whoever made the decision is now shitting themselves, because its pretty obvious no process was followed. |
Indeed.
How the fuc k they've come to the decision is beyond belief and Eddie Jones comments yesterday unbelievable.
To repeat myself earlier in the thread, I firmly believe that what goes on, on the pitch should stay on the pitch, whatever is said. But those days are long gone.
It was picked up on the mic, the RFU/Eddie Jones/Marler went into damage limitation overdrive, end result no suspension.
You cannot allow some racist comments, not others. This six nations committee have got this badly, badly wrong. What if one player used the dreaded N word or referred to someone as being black, or referred to a Japanese players eye shape (if you know what I mean), there would be all hell let loose.
Why in the heat of battle use racist terms anyway, just call someone a twa t and get on with it. Why on earth use the term gypsy boy!
I'll put my money on this decision being reversed, people higher up the legal food chain will know that its an extremely flawed decision. |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 14:13 - Mar 18 with 1429 views | dgt73 |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 11:13 - Mar 18 by Brynmill_Jack |
No wonder you failed law school.
Did I say law school? Sorry, I meant school. |
Are you quarter Jack as well as brynmill Jack ? Fcuk there's some strange people on here. Pmsl. | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 14:52 - Mar 18 with 1401 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 08:09 - Mar 18 by dailew |
If it wasn't offensive why was it used in the first place? |
Nail, head.
Intent is all. Also completely agree with you about it being a matter of manners.
A thug used the phrase as a deliberate insult - he was actively trying to be offensive by using what he thought himself was a derogatory racial slur. Can't do that. Shouldn't want to do it if a remotely decent human being. Brushed under the carpet as it was an England player and may well now result in action being taken by world rugby. |  | | |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 16:00 - Mar 18 with 1359 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 14:13 - Mar 18 by dgt73 |
Are you quarter Jack as well as brynmill Jack ? Fcuk there's some strange people on here. Pmsl. |
Great comeback. No I am half Jack as I'm only 3 feet six inches tall. Quarter Jack is my little brother | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 18:15 - Mar 18 with 1320 views | Loyal |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 09:26 - Mar 18 by QuakerJack |
Some interesting points on both sides here and I can see both, but in terms of what's transpired, it really doesnt matter what anyone else thinks, the law says it's racist... The Six Nations officials have once again given England a helping hand and if World Rugby want their sport to flourish they need to come down on the Six Nations like a ton of bricks... |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 18:19 - Mar 18 with 1313 views | Flashberryjack |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 18:15 - Mar 18 by Loyal |
Spot on 👠|
The law can be an Ass, |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 18:27 - Mar 18 with 1305 views | Loyal |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 18:19 - Mar 18 by Flashberryjack |
The law can be an Ass, |
Not in this case, in this case the ass takes no notice of the law. | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 18:41 - Mar 18 with 1287 views | Wingstandwood |
Being a 'Taffy' whom as worked as a hod carrier/brickies labourer on many a nastily impatient beat-the-clock 'penalty-clause' building site where rudeness and anti-Welsh banter is/was the norm? Did I see it as racism? No!
I now notice that...........There seems to be a significant minority of emotionally fragile people living in the U.K now? Thank God they never fought during the WW2 what with the armed forces/Brits calling the Germans nasty stuff stuff like Fritz, The Huns , Krauts, Boche etc. |  |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 19:14 - Mar 18 with 1265 views | Lohengrin |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 14:52 - Mar 18 by londonlisa2001 |
Nail, head.
Intent is all. Also completely agree with you about it being a matter of manners.
A thug used the phrase as a deliberate insult - he was actively trying to be offensive by using what he thought himself was a derogatory racial slur. Can't do that. Shouldn't want to do it if a remotely decent human being. Brushed under the carpet as it was an England player and may well now result in action being taken by world rugby. |
What was the intent though? I can't quite work out how this has descended into farce? Context is everything the "Gipsy boy" jibe came as the pair were squaring up on a rugby field. Nobody within earshot on either side would have thought it was some sort of "vile" (The Guardian's favoured adjunct when they get on the race bandwagon) insult, I'd suggest it was a jibe at Lee's bare-knuckling prowess, or lack thereof.
Gatland thought it was harmless enough banter so did Lee and so do I; amusing even. Call it stereotyping if you want but let's not make out like something in the order of the Bolshevik massacre of the Letts had taken place. The over-reaction is plain daft. [Post edited 18 Mar 2016 21:27]
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 19:16 - Mar 18 with 1263 views | Flashberryjack |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 18:27 - Mar 18 by Loyal |
Not in this case, in this case the ass takes no notice of the law. |
Afraid on this one we'll have to agree to disagree......if the law says calling someone "Gypsy" in an aggressive manner during a rugby game is racist, then IMO, the law is an ass. | |
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| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 21:18 - Mar 18 with 1223 views | raynor94 |
| Gypsy Boy in the rugger? on 19:14 - Mar 18 by Lohengrin |
What was the intent though? I can't quite work out how this has descended into farce? Context is everything the "Gipsy boy" jibe came as the pair were squaring up on a rugby field. Nobody within earshot on either side would have thought it was some sort of "vile" (The Guardian's favoured adjunct when they get on the race bandwagon) insult, I'd suggest it was a jibe at Lee's bare-knuckling prowess, or lack thereof.
Gatland thought it was harmless enough banter so did Lee and so do I; amusing even. Call it stereotyping if you want but let's not make out like something in the order of the Bolshevik massacre of the Letts had taken place. The over-reaction is plain daft. [Post edited 18 Mar 2016 21:27]
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