| The poor relations!! 17:28 - Dec 6 with 6303 views | TalkingSutty |
We bloody love it don't we? Always looking on ourselves as not really being worthy to eat from the same table, the runt of the litter.
Really we shouldn't expect much more than what we witnessed today, we should be thankful. Don't dare to dream, that's smacked down straight away. The manager loves to pedal this mindset but am I the only one who is sick of hearing about how grateful we should be?
Today's performance smacked of a team baffled by tactical scientific nonsense, negative possession in our defensive third, while the bury defenders filed their nails, participated in a bored yawn and waited for Lancashire to give them a ball to head.
It only needed a high tempo and some fires in their bellies that's all, just a FA Cup performance. Bury didn't break sweat,good luck to them and Flicker won the tactical battle hands down.
We are only Rochdale though so we shouldn't expect much else, we should just be grateful. It's no wonder the players seem lacking in self belief, the poor relations!!
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| The poor relations!! on 19:31 - Dec 6 with 1897 views | since58 |
| The poor relations!! on 19:20 - Dec 6 by TalkingSutty |
According to Hillys mate neither do bury. Flicker just persuaded all those previous high earners to take big wage cuts and sign for the club, why can't Hilly do that???
Obviously having a bottom four budget doesn't mean you can't sign quality players, somebody somewhere is telling lies!! |
its like being in court .who tells the best lies win s not the truth . |  | | |
| The poor relations!! on 19:36 - Dec 6 with 1880 views | Bobbyjoe |
| The poor relations!! on 19:09 - Dec 6 by D_Alien |
On the specific point of defending corners, watching what was happening on t' telly gives a different perspective, including seeing things from several different angles.
What stuck me most was lack of leadership at the back. No-one seemed to have any organising ability, they just kept on doing the same things which the bury players had worked out, probably in advance.
It's as if the opposition study what we do beforehand (Flicker would known anyway) whilst we don't. The damage done could be reduced if someone had the ability, or authority, to change it during the game. Lancashire was our club captain last season; surely someone like him should be able to respond to the attacking intent of the opposition from corners and make some minor changes? But it could be anyone. |
When I played pub football in the dim and distant, defending corners was a case of full-backs on the posts, and each player had a man to mark (we also had a big centre-half who, generally speaking, attacked the ball). Your man was your personal responsibility. If he beat you, fair enough, but it was your fault and you understood that. The fundamentals are the same, at whatever level you play. We were never coached a second in our lives .It's about personal responsibility, and not letting your mates down. Seems to me, coaching takes that away from you. Footballers have a natural intelligence, not intellectual, but an instinctive feel for the game. Also seems to me, coaches' over-riding imperative is to justify their existence and, more importantly, their salary. They've taken the joy out of the game! | | | |
| The poor relations!! on 19:39 - Dec 6 with 1871 views | 442Dale |
| The poor relations!! on 19:36 - Dec 6 by Bobbyjoe |
When I played pub football in the dim and distant, defending corners was a case of full-backs on the posts, and each player had a man to mark (we also had a big centre-half who, generally speaking, attacked the ball). Your man was your personal responsibility. If he beat you, fair enough, but it was your fault and you understood that. The fundamentals are the same, at whatever level you play. We were never coached a second in our lives .It's about personal responsibility, and not letting your mates down. Seems to me, coaching takes that away from you. Footballers have a natural intelligence, not intellectual, but an instinctive feel for the game. Also seems to me, coaches' over-riding imperative is to justify their existence and, more importantly, their salary. They've taken the joy out of the game! |
Totally agree with that. Defending a set-piece should never be any different. |  |
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| The poor relations!! on 19:42 - Dec 6 with 1844 views | zxcvbnm |
| The poor relations!! on 19:20 - Dec 6 by TalkingSutty |
According to Hillys mate neither do bury. Flicker just persuaded all those previous high earners to take big wage cuts and sign for the club, why can't Hilly do that???
Obviously having a bottom four budget doesn't mean you can't sign quality players, somebody somewhere is telling lies!! |
With this I can only see it being flicker not being truthful. No player is going to take a huge pay cut if better offers are available from other clubs. |  |
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| The poor relations!! on 19:44 - Dec 6 with 1821 views | D_Alien |
| The poor relations!! on 19:42 - Dec 6 by zxcvbnm |
With this I can only see it being flicker not being truthful. No player is going to take a huge pay cut if better offers are available from other clubs. |
What if big signing-on fees (along with payment to their agents) are being disguised somewhere in the books? Clever bloke that Day, you know.
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| The poor relations!! on 19:44 - Dec 6 with 1821 views | since58 |
| The poor relations!! on 19:25 - Dec 6 by 442Dale |
We have one sat on the bench who had a very good season last time around when the club finished in its highest ever position. |
one .what about the others where are they . | | | |
| The poor relations!! on 19:50 - Dec 6 with 1767 views | Ninco |
| The poor relations!! on 17:44 - Dec 6 by TalkingSutty |
Well I sat near some supporters today who have decided they no longer enjoy the games and are going to pick and choose from now on. Just been in the pub and spent 2 hours listening to how crap Rochdale played ( a re- run from the Wigan game) from the locals. Boring football seemed to be the theme. |
Exactly. Whenever we raise the point of poor attendances at fans forums, the club bleat on about the locals not being interested and preferring to watch Sky Sports or follow another team, yet here we have two opportunities to sell the club to potential customers. One to the people watching on TV, and one through word of mouth, as you have experienced here. Why when we are in the shop window, do we play crap and lose? If I was looking for a team to go and watch and I saw that crap on TV or heard about it, I wouldn't go and watch them. I would be looking elsewhere. That's why the attendances aren't going up. At some of the games this season, we have probably had worse attendances than we had in some league 2 matches. | | | |
| The poor relations!! on 19:52 - Dec 6 with 1756 views | TalkingSutty |
| The poor relations!! on 19:42 - Dec 6 by zxcvbnm |
With this I can only see it being flicker not being truthful. No player is going to take a huge pay cut if better offers are available from other clubs. |
Hilly seems to think we are all barking up the wrong tree and everything's rosey in the bury garden, financially today's result obviously gives them a leg up. They didn't treat it as a free hit and easily snuffed us out of the game.
Credit where it's due, Flicker won the tactical battle and their players didn't have to get out of first gear, did our players ask for their shirts at the end of the game? | | | |
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| The poor relations!! on 19:52 - Dec 6 with 1756 views | dingdangblue |
| The poor relations!! on 19:39 - Dec 6 by 442Dale |
Totally agree with that. Defending a set-piece should never be any different. |
Well defending a set piece is usually not different at Dale - we struggle most times. Unbelievable we conceded on telly to Wigan with a free header and again today with the only goal. That was it today, 2 distinctly average performances with little to separate us and bury - only they could take a corner and we couldn't. |  |
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| The poor relations!! on 19:58 - Dec 6 with 1731 views | 49thseason |
| The poor relations!! on 19:18 - Dec 6 by D_Alien |
That's fine then. Our set piece defending is as good as it'll get.
Thanks. |
You are most welcome.
We have 3 centre-halves, statistically there is little between them, Eastham seems to be unlucky not to get more starts but is not quantifyably better than either incumbent.
Bennett was being given a run at right back but plays like Bambi on ice, his confidence is shot and taking him off today was inevitable, I fear for his future at the club if he does not improve quickly.
Tanser is improving and is a better long-term prospect than Kennedy.
Cannon is also a decent prospect but needs game time and to curb his occasional rash challenges.
The average age of the back 5 today was 23.8 and Mc Nulty is 30!.
I have no doubt a great deal of work goes into set-piece defending, but there is a limit to what can be achieved in non-game time, Bury's forwards have scored plenty from corners against other teams so there was little disgrace in conceding one today (Hussey has excellent and consistent delivery which encourages forwards to attack the area he delivers into) . I would prefer to look at the rather poor goal scoring record (17th in the division) rather than crticise the defence. Equally our delivery today from corners and free kicks was dismal and that would seem to be a much easier skill to practice.
Oh, and the keeper (18 years old) is already a better keeper than Lillis will ever be. He has the speed of thought and foot that mark him out as a top prospect - I hope he stays at Dale as long as possible. |  | | |
| The poor relations!! on 19:58 - Dec 6 with 1728 views | TalkingSutty |
| The poor relations!! on 19:52 - Dec 6 by dingdangblue |
Well defending a set piece is usually not different at Dale - we struggle most times. Unbelievable we conceded on telly to Wigan with a free header and again today with the only goal. That was it today, 2 distinctly average performances with little to separate us and bury - only they could take a corner and we couldn't. |
Please don't try to drag bury's performance down to ours, they don't deserve that. They won every second ball today and had no need to search for a second goal.
Not one shot on target in the second half and that's when we should be attacking all guns blazing, they could have played with no goalkeeper. | | | |
| The poor relations!! on 20:00 - Dec 6 with 1718 views | 442Dale |
| The poor relations!! on 19:58 - Dec 6 by 49thseason |
You are most welcome.
We have 3 centre-halves, statistically there is little between them, Eastham seems to be unlucky not to get more starts but is not quantifyably better than either incumbent.
Bennett was being given a run at right back but plays like Bambi on ice, his confidence is shot and taking him off today was inevitable, I fear for his future at the club if he does not improve quickly.
Tanser is improving and is a better long-term prospect than Kennedy.
Cannon is also a decent prospect but needs game time and to curb his occasional rash challenges.
The average age of the back 5 today was 23.8 and Mc Nulty is 30!.
I have no doubt a great deal of work goes into set-piece defending, but there is a limit to what can be achieved in non-game time, Bury's forwards have scored plenty from corners against other teams so there was little disgrace in conceding one today (Hussey has excellent and consistent delivery which encourages forwards to attack the area he delivers into) . I would prefer to look at the rather poor goal scoring record (17th in the division) rather than crticise the defence. Equally our delivery today from corners and free kicks was dismal and that would seem to be a much easier skill to practice.
Oh, and the keeper (18 years old) is already a better keeper than Lillis will ever be. He has the speed of thought and foot that mark him out as a top prospect - I hope he stays at Dale as long as possible. |
Lillis this season v Pereira this season: how is the latter a better choice? | |
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| The poor relations!! on 20:16 - Dec 6 with 1676 views | 49thseason |
| The poor relations!! on 20:00 - Dec 6 by 442Dale |
Lillis this season v Pereira this season: how is the latter a better choice? |
Simple, he thinks quicker, responds to situations quicker and is far more comfortable with the ball at his feet. His handling is as good as Lillis, he kicks at a much flatter trajectory and throws the ball out well. As a consequence, there are no delays from the keeper getting the ball into play and his flatter kicking gives Vincenti and Andrew a much better chance of flicking the ball on rather than waiting for it to drop into the atmosphere from outer space. If I recall correctly, Lillis came to Dale on loan from Scunthorpe (L1) and seemed OK for L2, but after he went back he couldn't catch and was released (and then returned to Dale). The introduction of Logan last season tells me at least that Hilly doesn't rate him as good enough for this division and I agree. | | | |
| The poor relations!! on 20:34 - Dec 6 with 1630 views | scooby |
| The poor relations!! on 20:00 - Dec 6 by 442Dale |
Lillis this season v Pereira this season: how is the latter a better choice? |
How is the former a better choice?? Not long prior to the first loan spell, many were slating Josh, and rightly. | | | |
| The poor relations!! on 21:10 - Dec 6 with 1560 views | D_Alien |
| The poor relations!! on 19:58 - Dec 6 by 49thseason |
You are most welcome.
We have 3 centre-halves, statistically there is little between them, Eastham seems to be unlucky not to get more starts but is not quantifyably better than either incumbent.
Bennett was being given a run at right back but plays like Bambi on ice, his confidence is shot and taking him off today was inevitable, I fear for his future at the club if he does not improve quickly.
Tanser is improving and is a better long-term prospect than Kennedy.
Cannon is also a decent prospect but needs game time and to curb his occasional rash challenges.
The average age of the back 5 today was 23.8 and Mc Nulty is 30!.
I have no doubt a great deal of work goes into set-piece defending, but there is a limit to what can be achieved in non-game time, Bury's forwards have scored plenty from corners against other teams so there was little disgrace in conceding one today (Hussey has excellent and consistent delivery which encourages forwards to attack the area he delivers into) . I would prefer to look at the rather poor goal scoring record (17th in the division) rather than crticise the defence. Equally our delivery today from corners and free kicks was dismal and that would seem to be a much easier skill to practice.
Oh, and the keeper (18 years old) is already a better keeper than Lillis will ever be. He has the speed of thought and foot that mark him out as a top prospect - I hope he stays at Dale as long as possible. |
Well, thanks again, but none of this impacts on the basic question I raised about lack of anyone with the ability to make the in-game changes sometimes required to effectively defend set pieces.
I said nothing about our overall defensive qualities. | |
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| The poor relations!! on 21:42 - Dec 6 with 1406 views | Nafelad |
| The poor relations!! on 20:16 - Dec 6 by 49thseason |
Simple, he thinks quicker, responds to situations quicker and is far more comfortable with the ball at his feet. His handling is as good as Lillis, he kicks at a much flatter trajectory and throws the ball out well. As a consequence, there are no delays from the keeper getting the ball into play and his flatter kicking gives Vincenti and Andrew a much better chance of flicking the ball on rather than waiting for it to drop into the atmosphere from outer space. If I recall correctly, Lillis came to Dale on loan from Scunthorpe (L1) and seemed OK for L2, but after he went back he couldn't catch and was released (and then returned to Dale). The introduction of Logan last season tells me at least that Hilly doesn't rate him as good enough for this division and I agree. |
Lillis " couldn't catch" - Scunthorpe were bound to release him if he couldn't catch! |  |
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| The poor relations!! on 08:33 - Dec 7 with 1223 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| The poor relations!! on 17:37 - Dec 6 by D_Alien |
After hearing what the manager had to say before the game, I decided not to buy a ticket. I watched the game in a pub, enjoyed a couple of beers, saved myself some money and admired the simplicity with which bury despatched us without breaking sweat. |
It was abysmal, farcical (Rose's shin high corner - prompted that hysterical/despair laughter thingy) and insipid. Bury didn't really need to try and that was the most disappointing thing about the whole sorry fooking debacle of a performance. Utter sh1te. Calvin played though but never looked like scoring in a million years which is a problem in a cup tie as someone at some point has to score. Still, ain't his job - easy money!! | |
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