| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 08:26 - Jan 16 with 3500 views | Lord_Bony |
Wakey Wakey Parlay...
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 08:34 - Jan 16 with 3461 views | Neath_Jack |
Ding ding, round 3. |  |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 08:39 - Jan 16 with 3441 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
It's getting worse. [Post edited 16 Jan 2015 8:40]
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 08:55 - Jan 16 with 3382 views | Phil_S |
I was thinking as I got up this morning that what this board needed was another Ched Evans topic |  | | |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 11:08 - Jan 16 with 3101 views | perchrockjack |
Out of this one.
Parlay and Son have been advised by people who actually prepared files for the offence and seen them lost and won.
Swings and Roundabouts in the Courtroom. |  |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 11:11 - Jan 16 with 3094 views | jackrabbit |
That article says nothing that adds much to the debate. This was Allison Pearson in the Telegraph - now she makes some very interesting, and likely, points
"I got some other interesting reactions to that Ched Evans piece. Here is an email from Jenny: “Thank you, Allison, for the article regarding rape. A similar thing happened to my 16-year-old son last year and it has changed him as a person. His story is that he and the girl had consensual sex, they carried on drinking afterwards but in the morning she couldn’t remember having sex. Her friend then said it’s rape if you can’t remember, so the police got involved. Long story cut short, it didn’t get to court because none of her witnesses came through and all his [group of friends] they spoke up for my son. But it absolutely devastated my lovely lad who would not hurt a fly. I think it is wrong that girls cry rape just because they drank too much and can’t remember the incident. It’s not fair and it’s ruining peoples lives.”
So that’s Jenny’s story. Is she a Rape Apologist, too, I wonder? Or is she a mum who is worried about a legal system which allows an apparently consensual sex act to be reinterpreted hours, or even days, later by a young woman who didn’t think she’d been raped until her friend suggested it? In the Ched Evans case, the 19-year-old victim did not go to the police to report that she had been raped. She made no complaint whatsoever. She had no memory of being raped. She called the police to report a missing handbag. It was the police who suggested that she might have a case for rape against two well-known footballers.
Why might that have happened? Here’s another response to my Ched Evans’ piece. This is Deborah speaking:
“Dear Allison, Having recently sat as a juror on a rape case in which the defendant was acquitted, and having subsequently taken quite an interest in the subject, it strikes me that the motives of both the police and the CPS in bringing rape cases to court is often highly questionable. One really does wonder if both organisations are under some pressure to reach annual conviction targets — especially since the 2003 re-definition of what constitutes rape
“In the case in which I was involved, it turned out that at no point had the alleged victim ever had any intention of reporting rape, but had been persuaded to do so by domestic violence officers whom, it emerged, told her that what she had experienced 'could be construed as rape’. In fact, she and her long-term partner enjoyed nightly booze/cocaine/porn-fuelled sessions and regularly beat each other up. The result was a frustrated judge and a huge waste of public money.”
Is Deborah another Rape Apologist or is she a responsible citizen entitled to wonder whether police are encouraging certain vulnerable women to trump up “rape” charges in order to meet official targets?
These are reasonable questions, questions which any thoughtful society should be asking itself, but reason has long since jumped out the window in the case of Ched Evans. You may have noticed that Evans, who is out on licence after serving half of his five-year jail sentence, has become the designated lightning rod for anger about rape. (An anger I have long shared.) It’s ironic, given the wide selection of evil bastards out there, that feminists should alight on Evans, who makes a rather pathetic poster boy for rape.
Ched Evans’s victim, her identity cruelly unmasked by his supporters, is effectively on the run, changing her name and moving five times to escape the vengeful mob. I find that deplorable — but so are those who seek to force Evans onto a medieval ducking stool because he insists on protesting his innocence.
When Channel 4 news ran a story about whether Evans would be signed by Oldham Athletic, the reporter concluded that the club would have to choose “between money and morals”. Oh really? What morals did he have in mind? Christian morality says we should hate the sin, forgive the sinner. Jesus Christ spent his time with reviled outcasts. Outcasts like Ched Evans. Yet we hear nothing from the Church. As for our political leaders, instead of urging a sense of proportion, they take dictation from the mob." |  | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 11:28 - Jan 16 with 3045 views | Darran |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 11:11 - Jan 16 by jackrabbit |
That article says nothing that adds much to the debate. This was Allison Pearson in the Telegraph - now she makes some very interesting, and likely, points
"I got some other interesting reactions to that Ched Evans piece. Here is an email from Jenny: “Thank you, Allison, for the article regarding rape. A similar thing happened to my 16-year-old son last year and it has changed him as a person. His story is that he and the girl had consensual sex, they carried on drinking afterwards but in the morning she couldn’t remember having sex. Her friend then said it’s rape if you can’t remember, so the police got involved. Long story cut short, it didn’t get to court because none of her witnesses came through and all his [group of friends] they spoke up for my son. But it absolutely devastated my lovely lad who would not hurt a fly. I think it is wrong that girls cry rape just because they drank too much and can’t remember the incident. It’s not fair and it’s ruining peoples lives.”
So that’s Jenny’s story. Is she a Rape Apologist, too, I wonder? Or is she a mum who is worried about a legal system which allows an apparently consensual sex act to be reinterpreted hours, or even days, later by a young woman who didn’t think she’d been raped until her friend suggested it? In the Ched Evans case, the 19-year-old victim did not go to the police to report that she had been raped. She made no complaint whatsoever. She had no memory of being raped. She called the police to report a missing handbag. It was the police who suggested that she might have a case for rape against two well-known footballers.
Why might that have happened? Here’s another response to my Ched Evans’ piece. This is Deborah speaking:
“Dear Allison, Having recently sat as a juror on a rape case in which the defendant was acquitted, and having subsequently taken quite an interest in the subject, it strikes me that the motives of both the police and the CPS in bringing rape cases to court is often highly questionable. One really does wonder if both organisations are under some pressure to reach annual conviction targets — especially since the 2003 re-definition of what constitutes rape
“In the case in which I was involved, it turned out that at no point had the alleged victim ever had any intention of reporting rape, but had been persuaded to do so by domestic violence officers whom, it emerged, told her that what she had experienced 'could be construed as rape’. In fact, she and her long-term partner enjoyed nightly booze/cocaine/porn-fuelled sessions and regularly beat each other up. The result was a frustrated judge and a huge waste of public money.”
Is Deborah another Rape Apologist or is she a responsible citizen entitled to wonder whether police are encouraging certain vulnerable women to trump up “rape” charges in order to meet official targets?
These are reasonable questions, questions which any thoughtful society should be asking itself, but reason has long since jumped out the window in the case of Ched Evans. You may have noticed that Evans, who is out on licence after serving half of his five-year jail sentence, has become the designated lightning rod for anger about rape. (An anger I have long shared.) It’s ironic, given the wide selection of evil bastards out there, that feminists should alight on Evans, who makes a rather pathetic poster boy for rape.
Ched Evans’s victim, her identity cruelly unmasked by his supporters, is effectively on the run, changing her name and moving five times to escape the vengeful mob. I find that deplorable — but so are those who seek to force Evans onto a medieval ducking stool because he insists on protesting his innocence.
When Channel 4 news ran a story about whether Evans would be signed by Oldham Athletic, the reporter concluded that the club would have to choose “between money and morals”. Oh really? What morals did he have in mind? Christian morality says we should hate the sin, forgive the sinner. Jesus Christ spent his time with reviled outcasts. Outcasts like Ched Evans. Yet we hear nothing from the Church. As for our political leaders, instead of urging a sense of proportion, they take dictation from the mob." |
Yeah it adds nothing to the debate other than the fact that the convicted rapist is capable of telling lies of course. [Post edited 16 Jan 2015 11:34]
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 11:45 - Jan 16 with 2979 views | perchrockjack |
ah feckit, missus resting up,its cold outside and the garden is dormant so...
While most of the country has forgotten this episode we re still at it, fook knows why but its also strange we have people openly supporting Evans basically because he was seemingly set up.
He s also been referred to by his Christian name and terms like " we know who s seeing action" is a bit of a concern-to be anyway.
I d suggest the comments on these threads are without doubt the most bizarre and salacious ever on this site and it truly makes us look Barbarians.
We ve had some unbelievable parlayspeak which Im afraid has been a massive trolling exercise and we ve all fallen into the web. If these comments are true, then some posters have issues that need addressing ..
Finally, those of us with daughters,I would suggest take a different stance than those without out or simply without any sexual maturity.
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:17 - Jan 16 with 2912 views | Nookiejack |
I was having a chat with a Palace fan last night about the case and he asked an interesting question about whether the video - that Ched Evans two mates were attempting to take outside the room - was supplied as evidence? Did it show that the woman was awake or flat out when Evans came into the room? Or awake/participating compared to drunk/flat out and Evans just jumps on? | | | |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:22 - Jan 16 with 2887 views | Neath_Jack |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:17 - Jan 16 by Nookiejack |
I was having a chat with a Palace fan last night about the case and he asked an interesting question about whether the video - that Ched Evans two mates were attempting to take outside the room - was supplied as evidence? Did it show that the woman was awake or flat out when Evans came into the room? Or awake/participating compared to drunk/flat out and Evans just jumps on? |
What difference does it make if she was awake or asleep. No consent is rape mun, she can be awake and still not consent.
Ah f*ck it, i told myself i wouldn't get involved with this again.
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:24 - Jan 16 with 2876 views | C_jack |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:17 - Jan 16 by Nookiejack |
I was having a chat with a Palace fan last night about the case and he asked an interesting question about whether the video - that Ched Evans two mates were attempting to take outside the room - was supplied as evidence? Did it show that the woman was awake or flat out when Evans came into the room? Or awake/participating compared to drunk/flat out and Evans just jumps on? |
It was dismissed as nothing could be made out from the picture quality. |  |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:26 - Jan 16 with 2857 views | perchrockjack |
NEATHIE
WE ve been sucked into this and Im trying to withdraw with grace | |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:31 - Jan 16 with 2826 views | LeonisGod |
“Up until we were aware of his derogatory comments last week, we viewed him as a conscientious supporter of Ched,” a spokesperson said. “When we understood some of the tweets were totally unreasonable and unpalatable his image was removed from the site."
Nothing to see here. |  | | |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:48 - Jan 16 with 2771 views | Catullus |
Now I hate what's happened to the young lady, it's wrong. But equally, I have my doubts about the conviction. Especially if it's true she wasn't originally going to claim rape, but was talked into it.
Rape is a barbaric, awful crime. But if you get so drunk that you cannot remember the night before, can you be sure you didn't give consent?
I think the lesson that everybody needs to learn, is be very careful how much you drink, there could be consequences.
Many (29) years back, there was a party. A 17 year old girl got so drunk she remembered nothing of the night. Allegedly (I wasn't there, I was away with the Swans) several men/boys had sex with her when she was paralytic. Nine months later she gave birth to twin girls and had/has no idea who the father is/was. Nor did any of the memories come back to her, she didn't even remember going to the party, so I've been told.
That was a consequence of too much alcohol. Under todays laws, she was raped. Back then, she was considered a very stupid young woman. I think the truth is somewhere in between.
So thinking about Ched Evans, I don't think I could convict him of rape. Because when too much alcohol comes into the equation, nobody can be certain what was said, or by who. | |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:57 - Jan 16 with 2724 views | NeiltheTaylor |
Goggins looks like a real winner | |
| Joe_bradshaw -I thought the cryochamber was the new name for Cardiff's stadium.
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:59 - Jan 16 with 2714 views | Le_Swans |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 12:48 - Jan 16 by Catullus |
Now I hate what's happened to the young lady, it's wrong. But equally, I have my doubts about the conviction. Especially if it's true she wasn't originally going to claim rape, but was talked into it.
Rape is a barbaric, awful crime. But if you get so drunk that you cannot remember the night before, can you be sure you didn't give consent?
I think the lesson that everybody needs to learn, is be very careful how much you drink, there could be consequences.
Many (29) years back, there was a party. A 17 year old girl got so drunk she remembered nothing of the night. Allegedly (I wasn't there, I was away with the Swans) several men/boys had sex with her when she was paralytic. Nine months later she gave birth to twin girls and had/has no idea who the father is/was. Nor did any of the memories come back to her, she didn't even remember going to the party, so I've been told.
That was a consequence of too much alcohol. Under todays laws, she was raped. Back then, she was considered a very stupid young woman. I think the truth is somewhere in between.
So thinking about Ched Evans, I don't think I could convict him of rape. Because when too much alcohol comes into the equation, nobody can be certain what was said, or by who. |
If she truly couldn't remember anything about the night, when did she know Ched had been there? They'd both left her in the room before she woke, was it down to the CCTV and evidence off the desk clerk? | | | |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 13:03 - Jan 16 with 2689 views | perchrockjack |
Its life CAT and one has a responsibility to avoid situations wherby one can be put in a dangerous situation-such as this was.
W e re talking about the here and now .
Police,trust me, did all they could to discourage women from crying rape mainly because its hard to convict .
This was also the time POLICE shamefully did nothing about domestic abuse of women
When I started the job, I went to a "domestic" where the women had been tw@atted because she didn't want a sh@g with her hubby who then broke her nose . The tutir constable I had at the time told me to make a pocket notebook entry and to tell them to sort it out themselves and then we d leave them to it. I did so,as I d just started. 6 months later, I went back to the house where he d stabbed here-fatally. Its haunted me to this day.
Police officers were appalling to prostitutes who d been raped/assaulted and many were murdered as a consequence. This is the background to the now much better treatment of the abuse women face.
TOO MANY MEN, that included Police officers saw women as mere chattels and possessions, there to serve and wait them and to come across for sex- or" action" as its been described on here.
I wasn't at this case, I haven't seen the evidence and wasn't at court -which is the case with all on here- so quite htf some can be so dogmatic he is simply innocent is beyond me.
Why have courts when a Internet Site can decide. | |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 13:13 - Jan 16 with 2663 views | controversial_jack |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 13:03 - Jan 16 by perchrockjack |
Its life CAT and one has a responsibility to avoid situations wherby one can be put in a dangerous situation-such as this was.
W e re talking about the here and now .
Police,trust me, did all they could to discourage women from crying rape mainly because its hard to convict .
This was also the time POLICE shamefully did nothing about domestic abuse of women
When I started the job, I went to a "domestic" where the women had been tw@atted because she didn't want a sh@g with her hubby who then broke her nose . The tutir constable I had at the time told me to make a pocket notebook entry and to tell them to sort it out themselves and then we d leave them to it. I did so,as I d just started. 6 months later, I went back to the house where he d stabbed here-fatally. Its haunted me to this day.
Police officers were appalling to prostitutes who d been raped/assaulted and many were murdered as a consequence. This is the background to the now much better treatment of the abuse women face.
TOO MANY MEN, that included Police officers saw women as mere chattels and possessions, there to serve and wait them and to come across for sex- or" action" as its been described on here.
I wasn't at this case, I haven't seen the evidence and wasn't at court -which is the case with all on here- so quite htf some can be so dogmatic he is simply innocent is beyond me.
Why have courts when a Internet Site can decide. |
Mt understanding is that she didn't cry rape, the Police coerced her into doing so | | | |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 13:20 - Jan 16 with 2636 views | perchrockjack |
"COERCED" ,Well neither you nor I was there .
She d certainly be encouraged to make a statement of complaint for further investigation then its down for enquiry ,files to CPS and only THEY DECIDE TO PROSECUTE.
My considerable experience with CPS led to to believe they only decide to go ahead if there is a really good chance of conviction as compensation claims for wrongful arrest/prosecution are not what they want.
The Police "coerce">I wish.
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 14:25 - Jan 16 with 2501 views | Catullus |
Richie, we all know Police these days are busy meeting targets. Blair is to blame. But I was told (by a PC I know) that the damage to my car (at the time, 8 years ago) wouldn't be investigated because they'd filled their quota for that type of crime.
He also said that's how it was with all crimes, once the target had been met they stopped investigating those types of crime and moved on to the next target.
Big question is, was he telling me the truth? I'd had a note through the door saying they'd been and to phone and arrange a time for a visit. I waited all day and they never came.
My point being, if they hadn't filled their quota for sex crimes, were they drumming up trade, so to speak? | |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 13:03 - Jan 16 by perchrockjack |
Its life CAT and one has a responsibility to avoid situations wherby one can be put in a dangerous situation-such as this was.
W e re talking about the here and now .
Police,trust me, did all they could to discourage women from crying rape mainly because its hard to convict .
This was also the time POLICE shamefully did nothing about domestic abuse of women
When I started the job, I went to a "domestic" where the women had been tw@atted because she didn't want a sh@g with her hubby who then broke her nose . The tutir constable I had at the time told me to make a pocket notebook entry and to tell them to sort it out themselves and then we d leave them to it. I did so,as I d just started. 6 months later, I went back to the house where he d stabbed here-fatally. Its haunted me to this day.
Police officers were appalling to prostitutes who d been raped/assaulted and many were murdered as a consequence. This is the background to the now much better treatment of the abuse women face.
TOO MANY MEN, that included Police officers saw women as mere chattels and possessions, there to serve and wait them and to come across for sex- or" action" as its been described on here.
I wasn't at this case, I haven't seen the evidence and wasn't at court -which is the case with all on here- so quite htf some can be so dogmatic he is simply innocent is beyond me.
Why have courts when a Internet Site can decide. |
Have you ever visited prostitutes, Dick? |  |
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| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 15:09 - Jan 16 with 2407 views | Nookiejack |
Whether he truly committed rape or not (no one will know except for Ched) - to use a football analogy he gave the ref (jury) a decision to make. | | | |
| So Cheds latest statement was more lies then on 15:21 - Jan 16 with 2367 views | perchrockjack |
and that's about the size of it nookie | |
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