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at 13:24 16 Jan 2015
‘The kuffar, the disbelievers, the atheists who remain deaf and stubborn to the teachings of Islam, the rational message of the Koran; they are described in the Koran as “a people of no intelligence”, Allah describes them as not of no morality, not as people of no belief — people of “no intelligence” — because they’re incapable of the intellectual effort it requires to shake off those blind prejudices, to shake off those easy assumptions about this world, about the existence of God. In this respect, the Koran describes the atheists as “cattle”, as cattle of those who grow the crops and do not stop and wonder about this world.’
‘Once we lose the moral high-ground we are no different from the rest of the non-Muslims; from the rest of those human beings who live their lives as animals, bending any rule to fulfil any desire.’
Yeah pretty despicable. |
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at 12:00 16 Jan 2015
Be careful you'll be called a racist by their useful idiots.
I know he's been at it for years and I'm supposed to ignore him calling western people cattle am I because he's of a different origin.
The modern day thought police. They can be as offensive as they like but you try questioning tier World view. |
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at 11:41 16 Jan 2015
Anna Soubry was embarrassing, such a wet lettuce.
I disagree I welcome intelligent debate from either flank. I can't abide people who shout and bully people which Hasan consistently does. Starkey can be a pompous prat but he has his own min and is willing to discuss difficult issues that's why Hasan wanted to close him down with his pathetic jibes. |
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at 10:56 16 Jan 2015
As has been perfectly emphasised in this thread that standpoint is very difficult to argue as I do treat everyone the same I'm called a racist for questioning someone position on issues equally. There are aspects of the left that treat people with colour like they treat a pet - it's like argh bless they need help. If you want to stop racism, for a start stop talking about it and secondly stop giving people special treatment. |
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at 09:50 16 Jan 2015
Extremely naive since the dawn of man we've been divided by tribe. If you look at history we were actually unified by religion in the early days and man progressed by the instrument of war right or wrong e.g. Hierarchies and order
That sign basically wants a society that has everyone looking the same being a nihilist - it's almost fascist in its own way. Pluralism has advanced the World e.g. Egyptians, Mesopotanians, Greeks
Conflict and resolution has advanced learning it is the development of mankind |
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at 01:55 16 Jan 2015
I think acejack is very young - he needs to see the World a bit.
Islam is going through a transition and there is a fight going on within it. This is fundamental just like Christianity had this centuries ago - to suggest this is just a few warped individuals shows a complete lack of understanding and ignorance.
I'll say it again watch the panarama program in which this very subject is debated amongst Muslims.
If you call people racist for daring to talk about these issues then you're playing into the extremists hands that's precisely what they want.
Now I seriously need to sleep... |
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at 01:33 16 Jan 2015
This thread has depressed me a bit I thought we has moved on from that culture of political correctness. Clearly not.
Thank God for people like Majeed Nawaz a wonderful Muslim man who I'd love to see in the Cabinet. We need people like him to speak out and then we can live together in peace. I've had enough anyway if you think I'm a racist go ahead I know I'm not in fact if you knew my family you'd actually be a bit embarrassed by saying that but never mind I'm a supporter of free speech so go ahead. I'm tired goodnight. |
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at 01:23 16 Jan 2015
Acejack have you actually spoken to Muslims - did you watch panarama the other day? The program was based precisely about what I've been saying you need to open you mind. You mean well but you want to shut people down because the truth hurts. If you think there isn't a big probl you're deluded |
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at 01:19 16 Jan 2015
Of course.
I just lost a big post that I was about to send so I'll paraphrase.
I'm pro Palestinian
I'm pro human rights
I'm against foreign invasions
I'm for increased help for asylum seekers in Middle East
I deplore the sex scandals in the Catholic Church
The list goes on
I'm a big believer in freedom, I support free speech and genuine debate. The left has ask itself a question does it protect western values of tolerance or does it want to be seen as anti racist
As the previous poster as highlighted they see the world through skin colours they dot see debates nuances, individual Muslims that I have known are lovely people some of the kindest Ive met I have some dear friends who are Muslim in fact I nearly went into business with one. I debate Islam the ideology and appeasers. If you can't distinguish between the two then you need to read a few books and travel around a bit see the World not just spout your debate crushing rhetoric.
If a bunch of crazed CHristians were going around killing people in the name of religion do you think people would shrug their shoulders. Get real |
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at 00:51 16 Jan 2015
So because I back Starkey you think I'm taking sides based on the colour of his skin? What a leap.
Starkey is a pompous arse he always has been this is common knowledge - I happen to agree web his points and he was shouted down for them hence why I back him I've slated the other panellists to or did you not digest that. Anyway I've had enough you keep fighting the fight my good man keep seeing racism in everything. Maybe one day you'll judge people on their opinions not their skin colour. Maybe. |
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at 00:47 16 Jan 2015
Isn't noticeable that the anti racists always notice skin colour but those that question positions do this on the content of ones character and their ideological perspective. Who is the racist one must ask?
As Morgan Freeman said to end racism you stop referring to me as a black man and I'll stop referring to you as a white man I.e a human being
To question Islam is to question ideology - or do you not understand the difference? Keep looking at skin colour bro you anti racist you and I'll question everyone as an individual not based on skin colour |
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at 00:35 16 Jan 2015
Do what exactly? Question Islam? How does that make me racist exactly?
It's people like you that really no understanding of what racism is and on the point regarding Hasan I happen to find his character hard to take the way he shouts over people and his comments on youtube are disgraceful.
Please don't slur me I have never ever said anything regarding anyone's skin colour. I am on record as saying I welcome a multi racial society if you'd bother to understand what I say. I happen to believe in western values that promote human rights, pro womens rights, liberal attitudes towards gays etc. It's people like you that really demean the word. You really have no idea. [Post edited 16 Jan 2015 0:36]
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at 00:26 16 Jan 2015
Wow, ok I'll just leave it there. I really, really do despair |
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at 00:25 16 Jan 2015
If he was that profile he'd be considered a voice for reason in Islam and he'd have the whole audience clapping as you say he's a camp old white man - he also uses big words clearly a snob.
It's depressing really - his intelligence does for him
Everytime and we're left with robotic idiots like Alexander who says absolutely nothing |
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at 00:21 16 Jan 2015
On a wider point qt really is a waste of time now. The audiences are always stacked full of trots and the panellists get more insipid it should be full of people like Starkey. We need more like him e.g Douglas Murray, bob crow rip
Not these insipid metropolitan types who play to the bbc select gallery. Where's the debate? It's just pathetic |
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at 00:10 16 Jan 2015
Mehdi Hasan is a quite despicable individual. If he wasn't Muslim there's no way he'd get away with the way he acts he uses it as a cover crying racism like a pathetic victim while he bullies and spreads his vile ideology. The mainstream politicians especially that silly cow soubry were as predictable as ever bowing to the evil PC doctrine. Where as Starkey was trying to initiate a conversation that needs to be heard about what is happening within Islam but he was shutdown which was no surprise whatsoever. I fear for this Country - we won't know until it's too late. We might even be beyond that point now. |
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at 16:22 15 Jan 2015
The views expressed by so called moderate Muslims if expressed by whites would be considered Far-right. As someone who has no truck with racism I treat people equally so I don't believe in being patronising and giving special treatment. We need to start being more aggressive in celebrating our western values not shying from them. By being Lilly livered we have allowed these apologists to grow in number. There's no doubt nonviolent extremism is on the march and if we give an inch they'll want more and more. If you don't like it there are plenty of airports. [Post edited 15 Jan 2015 16:23]
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at 16:16 15 Jan 2015
There's a big difference between saying the deficit is not coming down as quickly as forecast initially and saying it's increasing.
When the coalition came to office in the last year of labour we borrowed 160bn more than we raised in tax as a proportion of GDP the deficit was over 10% of National income it is not around 5% of National income we're now borrowing around 90bn per annum. That is still way too high and that's the reason for the article.
The deficit is not 'increasing' it has fallen every year under the coalition just not as fast as they would initially have liked |
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at 01:55 15 Jan 2015
That's utter nonsense I'm happy to 'debate' with people from whatever persuasion if they put over a considered argument what I can't deal with is just lazy profanity and untruths e.g the deficit is apparently increasing - please explain this rather than saying it then jut ignoring my question. I'll happily argue issues related to the size of the state, public v private etc. I just find it tedious and depressing the way some jut drift into the usual platitudes and yes it does make people look like unthinking sheep. Look at Lohengrin - a classic example of someone who is well researched and whether you agree or disagree he actually has something to say. |
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