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Reply | Southampton V Liverpool The Verdict
at 13:30 25 Nov 2024
On Suga - maybe you're right but I think he was unlucky yesterday. Looking at the TV highlights it was a difficult bounce to deal with but I don't think it was even a penalty. It bounced off his chest on to his arm and I disagree with Nick - his arm was in a natural position. If it had been one arm raised that would have been unnatural, but both arms raised to chest height was completely natural for his movement. That used not to be a penalty and I don't think the rule has changed so VAR should have ruled it out. |
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Reply | Tactics, Squad, Mistakes
at 12:13 25 Nov 2024
The only reason we scored the counter attacking goal was because AM dropped the ball. If he hadn't we wouldn't have moved it up the pitch so quickly. |
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Reply | Tactics, Squad, Mistakes
at 12:11 25 Nov 2024
The reason we play in different halves is just because City are better at it than we are. If we were good enough at tippy tappy to get over the half way line then we would.
RM really does try to copy City. It's everything from the Pep quote on his office wall, to the inverted full backs, to the false 9s. What he's TRYING to do is almost exactly the same - except that RM's version is a dumbed down version, almost a cliched version of what Pep does. As you say without the likes of Rodri or De Bruyne or Haaland it's never going to work. |
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Reply | Tactics, Squad, Mistakes
at 11:39 25 Nov 2024
Yes, the "individual errors" argument makes sense when it's about McCarthy letting Salah put the ball into an empty net, but generally it's garbage. As you say, most of the errors come about because we're trying to do things we shouldn't and that's RM's fault.
Why does RM persist like this? I'm still unsure whether it's because he is totally stupid or totally arrogant. I think it's probably both.
Even with AM's errors, we have to ask the question of who was involved in giving him another contract, despite all the evidence we've seen. I don't think any of the fans were surprised to see him fvcking up again, but RM and Ankersen seem to want to pay him a lot of money to play for us. |
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Reply | SFC would be better off if we'd lost 10 nil
at 11:09 25 Nov 2024
Absolutely right. The thing that really annoys me is that RM isn't even coaching the tippy tappy game well. We shouldn't be playing tippy tappy but if we're going to then at least coach it properly.
In this case, as you rightly say, Fernandes was not in space and was facing our goal. The ONLY options he had was to pass it back towards our goal. To have done anything else would be suicidal. From there, all that Downes or AM would be able to do is clear it, which Downes tried to do and failed. So why didn't AM just clear it in the first place? Why bother with the totally unnecessary bit of tippy tappy inbetween?
For a well coached, highly skilled team, tippy tappy can work. But ours don't have the skill and don't even seem to be coached in how to do it properly. |
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Reply | Is Anyone Positive About The Liverpool Game
at 11:01 25 Nov 2024
He did everything that could be asked of him in those circumstances. He played well.
To see him score goals you need to give him chances, just like any centre forward. RM, like Selles, only believes in crosses if our players in the box are all below 5'6", so we will probably never see him used properly. He may not have the all round game to be a top level PL player, but he has shown that he has enough game to do a job for us if he was given the chance. With the limited options we have, he deserves to be played and used properly.
He will leave here a frustrated man and go and score lots of goals for another club. He could probably score in any league in the world, including the PL, if he was given the right service. |
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Reply | Russell Martin
at 21:19 24 Nov 2024
I see this was Sky's take on our defensive record.............
.........but that was before we conceded 2 more goals in the 2nd half! |
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Thread | SFC would be better off if we'd lost 10 nil
at 19:46 24 Nov 2024
At least then it would have forced the board to question what they're doing. As it is, we have no more points and it just prolongs the agony of having RM as manager.
Today showed again that 1 rapid counter attack will create a better chance than 90 mins of turgid possession. Expect that lesson to be ignored by RM, just like he ignores the countless lessons that it's too risky for us to play out from the back against a PL side.
The glimpses of what we could do under a decent manager (and with a centre forward in the team) are actually torture. It just shows the opportunity that's being wasted by RM. It would be better to just play pure RM style and suffer a few heavy defeats, but then quickly get shot of him. |
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Reply | Liverpool Game Matchday Thread
at 17:08 24 Nov 2024
Maybe he has the same gene as Prince Andrew. That would also explain why he is a useless knobhead. |
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Reply | Spare Ticket - Itchen Flank - Block 4
at 12:22 24 Nov 2024
Yes, sorry to hear you've had it really rough. Good luck with your recovery.
But in all honesty to help you with your recovery you should carry on watching Saints in the PL because the pain you will experience doing that will make what you've just been through seem like a holiday. |
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Reply | Could This Be Russell Martin's Last Game ?
at 12:14 24 Nov 2024
Well
- It will not be harder to find a much better manager. Nathan Jones is a much better manager.
- There is no good reason why it would cost us £10m to sack him. Where did this £10m figure come from anyway? It's nothing official just whispers. The whispers are put out to give them an excuse for not sacking him.
- The sooner we get rid of this clown, the sooner we are back on the right track. |
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Reply | Could This Be Russell Martin's Last Game ?
at 10:45 24 Nov 2024
No chance. We're stuck with this deluded manager and this deluded board.
There is nothing in their track record to suggest that they will suddenly make a good decision. |
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Reply | Is Anyone Positive About The Liverpool Game
at 14:28 22 Nov 2024
In other recent games we've at least had the hope that RM would be sacked if we lost. We haven't even got that hope this time.
If anyone thinks we'll win you can get odds of 10-1. It's football so anything can happen in 1 game, but I'd want more like 25-1 to bet on a Saints win. |
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Reply | Great Southampton V Liverpool Games Of The Past
at 13:45 22 Nov 2024
Not sure it was a classic match but there were 2 classic line ups in 1984(?) for a 1-1 draw at Anfield and I think this was the season after we finished 2nd to them in the league. I always like away games where we score late to get a result - it creates a special celebration knowing it's a kick in the nuts for the home fans. In this one I remember Joe Jordan scored the late goal.
Thought I'd write this down as it seems really weird now to think that we used to be involved in top of the table clashes like this. Nowadays we're reduced to just hoping we don't get walloped 9-0. |
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Reply | Do Southampton Need To Recall Bella-Kotchap For Liverpool Clash
at 10:37 21 Nov 2024
I don't expect to see ABK. I think the most likely is that "back 5" shape involving Suga, THB, Stephens, KWP and Manning (if they are all fit). It's the same shape we had at Arsenal and overall I expect RM to try and play the same way as in that game. Nathan Wood will probably be on the bench. |
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Reply | Following Man City 's Style is Fundamentally Flawed and Must stop Now
at 10:23 21 Nov 2024
Blackmore: "I also remind myself sometimes that what Rasmus did alongside Matthew Benham to develop Brentford between 2015-2020 shows he understands plenty about football."
I've spoken about Ankersen's propaganda before. This kind of comment shows how it works. Ankersen's PR puts out the lie that he was involved with the success at Brentford and useful idiots like Blackmore repeat it across the media until it becomes "true". This garbage is in a piece titled "Expert View". What a fckn joke.
Try thinking for a change Adam. If Ankersen was involved in the key football decisions at Brentford then why did he leave and then make the completely opposite decisions at Saints? |
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Reply | Russell Martin is David Brent times 10
at 09:17 21 Nov 2024
In today's woke world you can't criticise because it's "bullying", unless it's online where people who say the "wrong" thing are mass cancelled by their peers - because apparently that's not bullying, for some reason I don't understand. I think it's all part of the feminisation of the world - different rules to when I was growing up. Maybe there's good and bad in that.
I used to think that football was immune to this and a manager could still bollock a player but I'm beginning to wonder. I don't think the likes of Brian Clough would have fitted in today.
Not sure this namby pamby approach really develops the kind of fighting spirit we need though. |
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Reply | Following Man City 's Style is Fundamentally Flawed and Must stop Now
at 14:34 20 Nov 2024
As said at the top, we copy Man City (well, we try to). We don't just play possession football, we try to play the Man City version of it. That's clearly shown by the diagram titled "Team Style Comparison" which is towards the end of this article (it's a stat heavy article, but this thread is about stats and you don't have to read the article to see the diagram):
https://theanalyst.com/eu/2024/10/southampton-struggles-should-promoted-teams-pl
The diagram contrasts the "fast and direct" teams with the "slow and intricate" teams. SFC and Man City are the 2 total outliers at the slow and intricate end. SFC are the slowest of all and my bet is that we would have more "passes per sequence" than Man City too, if our passes were as successful as theirs are.
So, when people say "Russ is just playing the modern way, everyone plays possession football", you can point to this diagram and show that's false. We play an extreme version of possession football that requires extremely talented players to make it work - players that we will never have.
If we have to be at one extreme of this diagram, we should be at the other extreme along with B'mouth, Forest and Everton. You don't need so many expensive technical players to play that way. |
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