| Could this be the beginning 16:07 - Dec 13 with 2618 views | Boundy |
Reform seem to be be on a bit of a roll ,winning local elections as they appear ,not as many as the Torys which when you consider the General Election debacle for the Tories is quite surprising but still reducing Labours influence.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/politics/elections/reform-score-huge-election-upset-as
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| Could this be the beginning on 14:33 - Dec 14 with 924 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Could this be the beginning on 13:51 - Dec 14 by Ohyeah |
Sorry you forgot to mention the 9 Labour cabinet/front benchers who have themselves attended private schools out of 27 ministers...
You even had a Labour MP in the last parliament John Spellar who went to the same school as Farage ( Dulwich)
So much for our working class hero Labour MP's.. [Post edited 14 Dec 14:00]
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Too many MPs have just a political career these days rather than have career outside politics before becoming a politician. |  |
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| Could this be the beginning on 17:36 - Dec 14 with 866 views | majorraglan |
| Could this be the beginning on 13:51 - Dec 14 by Ohyeah |
Sorry you forgot to mention the 9 Labour cabinet/front benchers who have themselves attended private schools out of 27 ministers...
You even had a Labour MP in the last parliament John Spellar who went to the same school as Farage ( Dulwich)
So much for our working class hero Labour MP's.. [Post edited 14 Dec 14:00]
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And 3 of the 5 current Reform MP’s are private school educated and very very wealthy.
What we need is a mix of people who have experienced life and worked in industry and people at the higher end who’ve experience in big business - not necessarily the City. | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 17:51 - Dec 14 with 857 views | Plankton |
Imagine they actually got into power?
Farage would have that same confused look on his face as Trump did when he won 1st time.
Like, 'well that was unexpected, what do we do know?' | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 19:11 - Dec 14 with 817 views | Scotia |
| Could this be the beginning on 17:51 - Dec 14 by Plankton |
Imagine they actually got into power?
Farage would have that same confused look on his face as Trump did when he won 1st time.
Like, 'well that was unexpected, what do we do know?' |
Imagine Lee Anderson in the cabinet.
Farage would be totally lost, he'd quickly realise he couldn't deliver what he claimed he could. I honestly don't think he / reform would last six months. | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 19:39 - Dec 14 with 804 views | onehunglow |
| Could this be the beginning on 19:11 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
Imagine Lee Anderson in the cabinet.
Farage would be totally lost, he'd quickly realise he couldn't deliver what he claimed he could. I honestly don't think he / reform would last six months. |
Imagine David Lammy as Foreign Secretary | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:08 - Dec 14 with 773 views | Boundy |
| Could this be the beginning on 19:11 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
Imagine Lee Anderson in the cabinet.
Farage would be totally lost, he'd quickly realise he couldn't deliver what he claimed he could. I honestly don't think he / reform would last six months. |
If there was a general election tomorrow do you believe Labour would win , ? so far in 6 months they've alienated vast swathes of voters and trashed the economy which if its true we're heading into another recession, not bad for experienced cabinet members , o I forgot they're not.  | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:18 - Dec 14 with 760 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Could this be the beginning on 09:50 - Dec 14 by Whiterockin |
I wouldn't be surprised if they went on a "let the people choose" ticket in Wales, offering a vote on abolishing the Senedd and handing power back to Westminster. If this was successful for them they would go into the next GE as the party delivering what voters want. [Post edited 14 Dec 9:52]
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Nobody in Wales wants to abolish the Senedd.
The last senedd election saw Abolish run and they got less than 2% of the vote.
Facts matter see. |  |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:25 - Dec 14 with 759 views | Scotia |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:08 - Dec 14 by Boundy |
If there was a general election tomorrow do you believe Labour would win , ? so far in 6 months they've alienated vast swathes of voters and trashed the economy which if its true we're heading into another recession, not bad for experienced cabinet members , o I forgot they're not. |
No I don't.
And I think the rest of your post speaks volumes. Firstly they haven't trashed the economy, there's a chance we're heading in to a small recession but we'll have to wait and see. They have alienated a lot of the public but I don't think they had much choice, the country is knackered they had to make difficult decisions and the press mullered them for it.
They've only had 10% of the time they'll be in government so far, and nowhere near enough to make a difference to much at all. The mess we're in will take a minimum of 10 years to begin to be addressed. | | | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:27 - Dec 14 with 753 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Could this be the beginning on 13:51 - Dec 14 by Ohyeah |
Sorry you forgot to mention the 9 Labour cabinet/front benchers who have themselves attended private schools out of 27 ministers...
You even had a Labour MP in the last parliament John Spellar who went to the same school as Farage ( Dulwich)
So much for our working class hero Labour MP's.. [Post edited 14 Dec 14:00]
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The difference is that Farage is a grifter, a right wing populist who only cares about himself.
Repeat after me …. Nigel Farage does not care about Wales.
Progressive labour politicians have delivered the NHS, and employment laws for example.
Farage only moans, he never delivers. | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:30 - Dec 14 with 755 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:18 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Nobody in Wales wants to abolish the Senedd.
The last senedd election saw Abolish run and they got less than 2% of the vote.
Facts matter see. |
Well the first sentence is blatantly and demonstrably wrong.
People wouldn't vote for that Abolish group because they were screaming nutjobs. The fact that over 50% of the Welsh electorate never vote tells you they couldn't care less about the Senedd.
Because facts matter, see.
Oooh, here's an interesting fact for you, 31% of the Welsh electorate support abolishing the Senedd, according to Nation Cymru,
18th September this year,
nation.cymru/news/third-of-welsh-public-would-support-abolishing-senedd-new-poll/ | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:35 - Dec 14 with 749 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:08 - Dec 14 by Boundy |
If there was a general election tomorrow do you believe Labour would win , ? so far in 6 months they've alienated vast swathes of voters and trashed the economy which if its true we're heading into another recession, not bad for experienced cabinet members , o I forgot they're not. |
Rubbish mun.
You cant fix 14 years of traumatic failure under Johnson, Truss, May, Cameron and that Rishi in just 5 months.
The press and bbc are gunning for Starmer but its going to take time.
Be lucky in 5 years.
Realignment with EU will come later in the term, great news for the uk economy. | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:38 - Dec 14 with 749 views | Scotia |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:18 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Nobody in Wales wants to abolish the Senedd.
The last senedd election saw Abolish run and they got less than 2% of the vote.
Facts matter see. |
I do.
I'd have voted for abolish if they weren't right wing lunatics.
Give me a new centrist abolishment party and they'd probably get my vote. | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:39 - Dec 14 with 744 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:30 - Dec 14 by SullutaCreturned |
Well the first sentence is blatantly and demonstrably wrong.
People wouldn't vote for that Abolish group because they were screaming nutjobs. The fact that over 50% of the Welsh electorate never vote tells you they couldn't care less about the Senedd.
Because facts matter, see.
Oooh, here's an interesting fact for you, 31% of the Welsh electorate support abolishing the Senedd, according to Nation Cymru,
18th September this year,
nation.cymru/news/third-of-welsh-public-would-support-abolishing-senedd-new-poll/ |
Ok then, when given the chance less than 2% of the vote went to Abolish.
Therefore 98% of welsh voters do not wish to abolish it.
Please try to keep up.
Even your figures show 69% of votes want the senedd.
It aint going anywhere mosh. | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:41 - Dec 14 with 746 views | Boundy |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:25 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
No I don't.
And I think the rest of your post speaks volumes. Firstly they haven't trashed the economy, there's a chance we're heading in to a small recession but we'll have to wait and see. They have alienated a lot of the public but I don't think they had much choice, the country is knackered they had to make difficult decisions and the press mullered them for it.
They've only had 10% of the time they'll be in government so far, and nowhere near enough to make a difference to much at all. The mess we're in will take a minimum of 10 years to begin to be addressed. |
Even Nick Candy has deserted Labour and has become Reforms biggest donor and said recently that Reeves budget has a huge potential to destroy jobs ,destroy business confidence and the economy, all this in one budget. | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:41 - Dec 14 with 741 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:38 - Dec 14 by Scotia |
I do.
I'd have voted for abolish if they weren't right wing lunatics.
Give me a new centrist abolishment party and they'd probably get my vote. |
Abolish is not a centralist policy.
Abolish is a right wing nutjob policy see. | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:54 - Dec 14 with 740 views | Scotia |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:41 - Dec 14 by Boundy |
Even Nick Candy has deserted Labour and has become Reforms biggest donor and said recently that Reeves budget has a huge potential to destroy jobs ,destroy business confidence and the economy, all this in one budget. |
Nick Candy has deserted the Tories not Labour.
I'm not pretending Labours budget is anything other than difficult, I do think employer NI contributions is dodgy ground but it's far too early to say what the outcome will be.
Also don't forget that Reforms policies were and are unfunded nonsense. | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:55 - Dec 14 with 740 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:39 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Ok then, when given the chance less than 2% of the vote went to Abolish.
Therefore 98% of welsh voters do not wish to abolish it.
Please try to keep up.
Even your figures show 69% of votes want the senedd.
It aint going anywhere mosh. |
Because 2% voted for them doesn't mean 98% want to keep the Senedd.
They're not my figures, they are Nation Cymru's figures.
You said NOBODY wants toi abolish the Senedd when even Nation Cymru say 31% would support that move. The glaring fact here is that support for abolishing the Snedd has grown and very quickly.
With support for Welsh indepepndence now put at around 18% a lot more people want to return to Westminster than want to leave the Union, a massive turnaround in a few years eh?
Please try to keep up with the facts. | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 22:47 - Dec 14 with 717 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:55 - Dec 14 by SullutaCreturned |
Because 2% voted for them doesn't mean 98% want to keep the Senedd.
They're not my figures, they are Nation Cymru's figures.
You said NOBODY wants toi abolish the Senedd when even Nation Cymru say 31% would support that move. The glaring fact here is that support for abolishing the Snedd has grown and very quickly.
With support for Welsh indepepndence now put at around 18% a lot more people want to return to Westminster than want to leave the Union, a massive turnaround in a few years eh?
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Well it does.
When on the ballot then more than 98% of welsh voters chose not to vote for Abolish.
If you were right then 31% would have voted for it.
They didnt, did they ?
I see the protest vote angle.
But nothing tells me that a progressive voting wales - lab/lib/plaid/green - will switch to the english nationalist reform mob. Probably pickup half the Tory vote.
Reform has no solutions, even the Brexit has failed. Vote Farage, vote for more small boat crossings. | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 10:25 - Dec 15 with 634 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Could this be the beginning on 22:47 - Dec 14 by Kilkennyjack |
Well it does.
When on the ballot then more than 98% of welsh voters chose not to vote for Abolish.
If you were right then 31% would have voted for it.
They didnt, did they ?
I see the protest vote angle.
But nothing tells me that a progressive voting wales - lab/lib/plaid/green - will switch to the english nationalist reform mob. Probably pickup half the Tory vote.
Reform has no solutions, even the Brexit has failed. Vote Farage, vote for more small boat crossings. |
Your logic, as usual, is flawed. Or, put another way if only 49% of the electorate vote, does that mean 51% want rid of the Senedd?
Not voting for something doesn't necessarily mean you are against it, maybe just that you want a better choice such as a party that actually has a chance of winning and WILL follow through on it's promise.
The Abolish party were never getting enough support because they were too right wing. It's the same reasoning that leads me to believe that Reform will never take control in Wales, Farage!!
BTW, when you say Brexit has failed, haven't you noticed the growing mess in the EU, Frances debt is now 110% of GDP and their credit rating is now worse than Greece. Germany's government also collapsed recently and the EU share of foreign trade dropped quite a bit.
The whole EU has been on a downward slope. It's not just about brexit, there's a lot more to Europe's problems than brexit but you are so blinkered you pnly see 10% of what is going on.
Question, seeing as only 18% are for independence, do you believe that 82% are against it? Do you understand yet? [Post edited 15 Dec 17:56]
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| Could this be the beginning on 13:00 - Dec 15 with 592 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Another thing to factor into the equation is the rumoured formation of a “Gaza Party” under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn. Sounds like a stupid idea but it will attract votes from the millions of Muslims in this country and associated whack jobs you see marching up and down our streets every weekend and no doubt severely split the labour votes in certain areas. |  |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:38 - Dec 15 with 496 views | KeithHaynes |
| Could this be the beginning on 13:00 - Dec 15 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Another thing to factor into the equation is the rumoured formation of a “Gaza Party” under the leadership of Jeremy Corbyn. Sounds like a stupid idea but it will attract votes from the millions of Muslims in this country and associated whack jobs you see marching up and down our streets every weekend and no doubt severely split the labour votes in certain areas. |
The middle class employed weekend warriors you mean 😉 |  |
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| Could this be the beginning on 22:34 - Dec 15 with 465 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:38 - Dec 15 by KeithHaynes |
The middle class employed weekend warriors you mean 😉 |
They seem to have given up on BLM and Global Warming, I wonder what's next for them? | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 00:15 - Dec 16 with 434 views | Robbie |
Just to add the other looney lefties with nothing better to do .
Just Stop Oil campaingers , throwing orange paint around at many events and attractions .
Then trying to stop London traffic by sitting in the middle of the road in a Capital City .
If a driver hit one of these do gooders , that motorist bus driver or others would have the blame for causing an accident and could well lose their job over the incident .
Tree huggers in the UK should look at China and India the enemy , not honest people going about their daily duties . | | | |
| Could this be the beginning on 00:29 - Dec 16 with 428 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Could this be the beginning on 21:38 - Dec 15 by KeithHaynes |
The middle class employed weekend warriors you mean 😉 |
The purple haired bereted harbingers of doom. Don’t get me started on the ‘Queers for Palestine’ lot. They wouldn’t last thirty seconds in Palestine before getting tortured and murdered. | |
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| Could this be the beginning on 21:02 - Dec 17 with 256 views | SullutaCreturned |
Yes, Wales is ready for change, but Reform?
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