| Farmers 15:36 - Nov 21 with 1487 views | controversial_jack |
Getting on my nerves with their whinging, and they are the only ones that do any work attitude |  | | |  |
| Farmers on 21:58 - Nov 21 with 608 views | Plankton |
I'm with Alan Partridge on this one.
If they want sympathy, shall we clap for them on our doorsteps like the NHS? | | | |
| Farmers on 22:54 - Nov 21 with 561 views | Scotia |
I may register my parents house as an agricultural property in that case.
My Dad's tomatoes do very well. | | | |
| Farmers on 09:34 - Nov 22 with 501 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
The media love him, all those farmers protesting and they make it all about him. |  |
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| Farmers on 09:37 - Nov 22 with 496 views | onehunglow |
| Farmers on 09:34 - Nov 22 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The media love him, all those farmers protesting and they make it all about him. |
I found him nauseating
Still do.
He won’t help their cause
He’s the archetypical hypocrite
Makes millions thanks to the BBC and that insufferably Boy Own shyte Top Gear then joins the other side. And slags them off .
He was corned brilliantly by Ms Derbyshire and his appealing to the assembled was pitiful .
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| Farmers on 09:53 - Nov 22 with 487 views | pencoedjack |
| Farmers on 21:35 - Nov 21 by Luther27 |
Raise more cash to waste on what? I already feel I’m working for pocket money not a wage.
General question….how much revenue is expected to be raised by Inheritance Tax on farms over the next five years? |
This with bells on ^
Let's raise more cash to throw at the blackhole called the NHS.
I dont care which party but one of them needs to have the balls to spend some time in hospitals & see the amount of waste. |  | | |
| Farmers on 10:33 - Nov 22 with 459 views | Dr_Winston |
To tweet this right in the middle of the IHT furore suggests that, far from people looking for sticks to beat Starmer with, he's quite happy to provide them himself.
Black Rock FFS!
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| Farmers on 10:45 - Nov 22 with 451 views | Scotia |
| Farmers on 21:35 - Nov 21 by Luther27 |
Raise more cash to waste on what? I already feel I’m working for pocket money not a wage.
General question….how much revenue is expected to be raised by Inheritance Tax on farms over the next five years? |
Very little I'd have thought - directly at least. It depends on what happens with the cash that would have been invested in farmland to avoid tax.
To waste on correcting the mess the Tories made. I agree it is a waste. | | | |
| Farmers on 10:48 - Nov 22 with 446 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Farmers on 18:09 - Nov 21 by felixstowe_jack |
They could always do what Stalin, Mugabe and China did.
Confiscate the farms give them to party members to run.
Unfortunately millions died in famines in Russia when stalin did that.
Famines followed in China and in Zimbabwe. [Post edited 21 Nov 18:10]
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With an exploding population due to our ongoing policy of letting anyone and everyone come here from everywhere in the world unchecked no questions asked the issue of food security will become an exponentially more serious one.
We already import a significant chunk of our food. If there ever was another major conflict we would be royally screwed as we have outsourced all production of nearly everything we need to survive. Food, energy, manufacturing we’ve all given away for cheap.
It’s national suicide. |  |
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| Farmers on 10:55 - Nov 22 with 434 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Farmers on 10:33 - Nov 22 by Dr_Winston |
To tweet this right in the middle of the IHT furore suggests that, far from people looking for sticks to beat Starmer with, he's quite happy to provide them himself.
Black Rock FFS!
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Black Rock only have about 11 Trillion Dollars of assets. One of the organisations that have driven the concentration of wealth into a small number of businesses.
Starmer does not understand that Black Rock is part of the challenge that ordinary people face these days? [Post edited 22 Nov 12:36]
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| Farmers on 13:01 - Nov 22 with 395 views | controversial_jack |
| Farmers on 10:45 - Nov 22 by Scotia |
Very little I'd have thought - directly at least. It depends on what happens with the cash that would have been invested in farmland to avoid tax.
To waste on correcting the mess the Tories made. I agree it is a waste. |
It's a gesture to show the public he's hitting the rich | | | |
| Farmers on 13:57 - Nov 22 with 372 views | Scotia |
| Farmers on 13:01 - Nov 22 by controversial_jack |
It's a gesture to show the public he's hitting the rich |
That's why "man of the people" Jeremy Clarkson is annoyed. His nice little tax avoidance scheme has gone udders up. | | | |
| Farmers on 14:39 - Nov 22 with 355 views | johnlangy |
| Farmers on 21:31 - Nov 21 by majorraglan |
I read a piece this week which claimed that James Dyson now owned 34,000 acres of land worth around £555m which would previously have been exempt from IHT would, after the proposed tax changes had been introduced post 2026 have to pay £111m (20% rate). The £111m charge still represents a considerable saving when compared to the to standard IHT charged at 40%. Clarkson has previously talked about buying land and farming to avoid IHT !!!!!
Labour are taking a lot of flak over this policy, but what is clear is that they’re trying to close the loop holes the very wealthy are using to avoid paying taxes and that, in my opinion is to be commended.
It appears the proposed changes will mean that IHT will be not be due on many farms valued under £3m, however that message is not always getting through and it’s being drowned out by the vested interests, press and farmers. I think Labour are getting the policy right, but they’re messing up with the implementation just as they’ve done with the pensioners winter heating allowance. I think the concept of the land tax policy is sound, but it needs a few changes. In my opinion Labour need to revisit the policy, increase the threshold limit so that less genuine farmers are caught up in the mix and that the focus is on the Dyson’s of the world and the 20 Dukes who own more than 1m acres of land and have avoid tax. Frame it that way and there’ll be no public back lash.
Labour have been a bit naive in that they’ve under estimated the backlash from the landowners, vested interests and some farmers and they’ve brought it on themselves.
They were right to remove the WFA from all pensioners, it shouldn’t go to the likes of Dyson, Drakers, Theresa May etc etc because they do not need it, but there’s going to be a lot of people who need it not getting it.
As a country though, we need to look at who gets what because we need to ensure work pays and people aren’t better off loafing in comparison to working. If we want better services especially the NHS, the money has to come from somewhere. |
Here's a different way of looking at it.
IHT on inherited farms was cancelled in 1984 by the lovely Maggie. Since then land value has quadrupled, a lot of that caused by the ultra wealthy trying to hoard their wealth by buying up millions of acres.
If the changes mean that all those tax avoiders were to decide to sell their land because the loophole has been closed, land values would plummet. They'd lose a load of money and all of a sudden the value of the majority of the smaller 'real' farms would fall drastically, a huge number probably to below £3 million.
Problem solved. No need to thank me. | | | |
| Farmers on 15:00 - Nov 22 with 339 views | Dr_Winston |
| Farmers on 14:39 - Nov 22 by johnlangy |
Here's a different way of looking at it.
IHT on inherited farms was cancelled in 1984 by the lovely Maggie. Since then land value has quadrupled, a lot of that caused by the ultra wealthy trying to hoard their wealth by buying up millions of acres.
If the changes mean that all those tax avoiders were to decide to sell their land because the loophole has been closed, land values would plummet. They'd lose a load of money and all of a sudden the value of the majority of the smaller 'real' farms would fall drastically, a huge number probably to below £3 million.
Problem solved. No need to thank me. |
Or corporations and investment funds would buy the land. Land values would remain high, forcing smaller farms to be sold to meet IHT requirements, land which would then be bought by more corporations and investment funds.
Corporations and investment funds obviously not being humans would never die, therefore the source of IHT from the sale of farms would stop anyway after a generation, and huge swathes of the British countryside would never be owned by individuals again.
An entire industry and way of life that has existed for Millennia done to death for the sake of a couple weeks worth of NHS funding. | |
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| Farmers on 15:33 - Nov 22 with 328 views | Luther27 |
| Farmers on 15:00 - Nov 22 by Dr_Winston |
Or corporations and investment funds would buy the land. Land values would remain high, forcing smaller farms to be sold to meet IHT requirements, land which would then be bought by more corporations and investment funds.
Corporations and investment funds obviously not being humans would never die, therefore the source of IHT from the sale of farms would stop anyway after a generation, and huge swathes of the British countryside would never be owned by individuals again.
An entire industry and way of life that has existed for Millennia done to death for the sake of a couple weeks worth of NHS funding. |
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| Farmers on 18:13 - Nov 22 with 281 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Farmers on 15:00 - Nov 22 by Dr_Winston |
Or corporations and investment funds would buy the land. Land values would remain high, forcing smaller farms to be sold to meet IHT requirements, land which would then be bought by more corporations and investment funds.
Corporations and investment funds obviously not being humans would never die, therefore the source of IHT from the sale of farms would stop anyway after a generation, and huge swathes of the British countryside would never be owned by individuals again.
An entire industry and way of life that has existed for Millennia done to death for the sake of a couple weeks worth of NHS funding. |
Corporations and investment funds are the problem. We need better tax laws for certain but when they are changed they tread softly on the global corporations because they are scared, so they say, of losing jobs. If Amazon and every other USA owned Corp. left the UK tomorrow somebody would step into that gap, maybe even smaller, local businesses again and in my opinion they are better for the economy and our lifestyles that global corporations and supermarkets. | | | |
| Farmers on 19:27 - Nov 22 with 259 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Farmers on 18:13 - Nov 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Corporations and investment funds are the problem. We need better tax laws for certain but when they are changed they tread softly on the global corporations because they are scared, so they say, of losing jobs. If Amazon and every other USA owned Corp. left the UK tomorrow somebody would step into that gap, maybe even smaller, local businesses again and in my opinion they are better for the economy and our lifestyles that global corporations and supermarkets. |
Yes, in places like France and Italy small businesses and family operated concerns seem to manage well. Here we have changed a whole load of taxes and rules to favour big business, and the changes to IHT for Farms is another step in that direction. We will end up with big industrial corporate farms like the USA
Small business profits are kept locally, big business profits graduate to those with money. | |
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| Farmers on 19:48 - Nov 22 with 239 views | majorraglan |
| Farmers on 19:27 - Nov 22 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Yes, in places like France and Italy small businesses and family operated concerns seem to manage well. Here we have changed a whole load of taxes and rules to favour big business, and the changes to IHT for Farms is another step in that direction. We will end up with big industrial corporate farms like the USA
Small business profits are kept locally, big business profits graduate to those with money. |
A big whinge for many with the Common Agricultural Policy was the fact that small family owned farms (particularly in France and Italy) seemed to benefit disproportionately from the subsidies dished out whereas the bigger company farms didn’t get so much.
FWIW, I agree with your comments about tax policy. I’d like to see commercial rents reduced and business rates cut on our High Streets in a bid to encourage regeneration and jobs and taxes on the online retailers increased a little to compensate. I’d also lik3 to see the VAT rules tightened up to prevent all the Chinese companies who’ve created bogus accounts to claim VAT from trading.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65205520#:~:text=When%20Dylan%20Davies%20wen | | | |
| Farmers on 20:04 - Nov 22 with 229 views | Dr_Winston |
What needs to be understood is that big Corporations like Amazon don't become big corporations because they provide services that consumers don't want. The death of the High Street could easily be reversed if people changed shopping habits, but they won't.
eCommerce is the future. When the time comes (and it will) when people can basically 3D print stuff at home then even more retailers will go out of business. Imagine being able to scan yourself and print clothing that is custom designed to fit you. The technology already exists. It's just a question of scale. | |
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| Farmers on 07:45 - Nov 23 with 139 views | Scotia |
| Farmers on 15:00 - Nov 22 by Dr_Winston |
Or corporations and investment funds would buy the land. Land values would remain high, forcing smaller farms to be sold to meet IHT requirements, land which would then be bought by more corporations and investment funds.
Corporations and investment funds obviously not being humans would never die, therefore the source of IHT from the sale of farms would stop anyway after a generation, and huge swathes of the British countryside would never be owned by individuals again.
An entire industry and way of life that has existed for Millennia done to death for the sake of a couple weeks worth of NHS funding. |
Only if the land is of sufficient value, and the vast majority isn't. It's why Dyson and Clarkson bought in the Cotswolds and not Carmarthenshire. I think an acre in north Carmarthenshire could be bought for about £5k.
The only way money can be made from the land is through agricultural use unless it just sits there. It couldn't be built on or developed. There's massive restrictions on its use. I think Clarkson made a programme on his difficulties getting planning. It's why Clarkson and Dyson are still using the land as farms but not farming themselves (when the cameras stop rolling). | | | |
| Farmers on 10:08 - Nov 23 with 101 views | Dr_Winston |
| Farmers on 07:45 - Nov 23 by Scotia |
Only if the land is of sufficient value, and the vast majority isn't. It's why Dyson and Clarkson bought in the Cotswolds and not Carmarthenshire. I think an acre in north Carmarthenshire could be bought for about £5k.
The only way money can be made from the land is through agricultural use unless it just sits there. It couldn't be built on or developed. There's massive restrictions on its use. I think Clarkson made a programme on his difficulties getting planning. It's why Clarkson and Dyson are still using the land as farms but not farming themselves (when the cameras stop rolling). |
As the old saying goes, "Invest in land. They're not making any more of it".
How hard do you think it'll be for an entity like Blackrock to convert agricultural land into, say, a Solar Farm? We already know the current Government loves both them and net zero.
How solid will the restrictions on land use be when the Govt is desperate to build millions of homes to contain an ever expanding population? | |
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| Farmers on 12:52 - Nov 23 with 61 views | builthjack |
Do any of you actually know what handouts farmers receive?
I doubt it very much.
It’s a hell of a lot more than somebody on the dole that’s given everything.
There lies the problem. They work hard yes. But is there another industry that gets given more free handouts? No is the answer.
I remember a number of years ago a team mate of mine, moaning every Saturday about the poor farmers etc.
One Saturday, the front page of the County Times listed the top 50 farmers in Powys who had received the most freebies.
There was his farm name receiving £109,000 single farm payment.
He would have got a lot more than on top of that for various farm schemes.
He was nowhere near the top of the 50 either
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| Farmers on 14:24 - Nov 23 with 33 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Farmers on 12:52 - Nov 23 by builthjack |
Do any of you actually know what handouts farmers receive?
I doubt it very much.
It’s a hell of a lot more than somebody on the dole that’s given everything.
There lies the problem. They work hard yes. But is there another industry that gets given more free handouts? No is the answer.
I remember a number of years ago a team mate of mine, moaning every Saturday about the poor farmers etc.
One Saturday, the front page of the County Times listed the top 50 farmers in Powys who had received the most freebies.
There was his farm name receiving £109,000 single farm payment.
He would have got a lot more than on top of that for various farm schemes.
He was nowhere near the top of the 50 either
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Subsidies started after the war to maintain continuity the food supply, to prevent farms going out of business because of cyclical demand and pricing issues.
Subsidies do seem to have expanded and I'm not sure I understand them now. The IHT on farms possibly presents a similar issue for food supply security. | |
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