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Heading across to the game today with a bit of optimism. The squad is more healthy than it has been for a while, we are of the back of a win and our away for is very decent. If the team do themselves justice I think we can win this. Ahead of some difficult looking games. UTD
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Wealdstone match thread on 18:48 - Nov 16 with 4577 views
Wealdstone match thread on 19:00 - Nov 16 by borodale
There's no denying Jim has been well backed this season.
He has and it’s not saying the players he’s brought in have been useless or not needed, but there’s a obviously a lack of football knowledge in the rest of the club to help assess what we have and what else is required.
Here we go........"low level" game for both sides (does that mean sh*t Mr M?). Dale in control first half and early goal in 2nd half gave them momentum .
Pitch was appalling and Referee was poor. No mention of our countless over hit passes.
Back to usual post match waffle.
If we play like this next weekend we are on the end of a Derby Day Dicking for sure.
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Wealdstone match thread on 19:31 - Nov 16 with 4138 views
Wealdstone match thread on 19:18 - Nov 16 by Yorkshire_Dale
Here we go........"low level" game for both sides (does that mean sh*t Mr M?). Dale in control first half and early goal in 2nd half gave them momentum .
Pitch was appalling and Referee was poor. No mention of our countless over hit passes.
Back to usual post match waffle.
If we play like this next weekend we are on the end of a Derby Day Dicking for sure.
Pitch can't be an excuse and wouldn't be for a team for a team aiming for promotion - need to plan for these sort of away games and have the ability to adapt and get a result.
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Wealdstone match thread on 20:14 - Nov 16 with 3937 views
Wealdstone match thread on 17:22 - Nov 16 by 442Dale
There’s a real concern that we’ve got too many players leading to too many changes and no consistency in selection. It was understandable to get people in to cover injuries but looking at that line-up today it looks way too muddled.
Do not understand why Henderson isn’t playing a bigger role because his performances have been good whenever he’s been on the pitch. With no Mitchell, it’s the perfect opportunity to play someone who knows how to play as a central striker.
Pressure to get a result next week is ramping up and a non-performance is not acceptable. Clarity of thinking required but it’s a worry if that is possible with so many in the squad.
Protecting Hendos minutes for the NLC games it appears.
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Wealdstone match thread on 22:25 - Nov 16 with 3530 views
Beginning to think we are not as good as I thought. Arrived late but apparently missed nothing. Then watched a match in which we were never in danger of taking control. We did pull them about at times but to no positive effect. We have lost the tag of being difficult to beat and score against. Must find it again and fast otherwise the chance of the play offs disappear. Seen them 3 times this season a they have got one point. Perhaps I should stay away in future.
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Wealdstone match thread on 22:38 - Nov 16 with 3491 views
Poor performance from the Dale once again showing that McNulty has no Plan B. If Plan A goes well we can put in a great performance and look like real contenders BUT if we’re off the pace (which we absolutely were today), if the opposition seem more up for it than us (which Wealdstone did) - what can McNulty do to impose himself on the game? It was obvious first half it wasn’t working and then when we concede one minute into the second half surely the manager has to think - right let’s shake this up. Yet he waited 20 mins before even making the first sub. I can’t think of too many times where Jim has changed things around to get us some points. We either start off well and go on to get something or, like today, we show absolutely nothing from minute 1 to minute 90. And I feel like this is happening more and more as teams are studying us and finding us out. So what’s the alternative Jim? Is there any degree of flexibility in how we play to adapt to the game as it’s happening rather than ‘sticking to the game plan’?
I don’t know whether a lack of Plan B comes down to Jim’s lack of experience as a manager - or (and the bigger worry) it’s part of his personality. He wants to be the players friend, and sticks with them for far too long in games when they aren’t producing and need to be shaken up. Hints of exactly what BBM did. You hear it after most games where his first response in an interview is to say how proud he is of the lads even if we’ve put in a dogsh1t performance.
Still after all these games not convinced at all about McNulty. If anything I think the signs are there he really isn’t the man for the job. Put in a performance like that against the BIFFOs and it will be an embarrassment we’ll never live down.
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Wealdstone match thread on 22:40 - Nov 16 with 3466 views
"Rubbish game, 2 low level performances from both teams". All well and good if it ends 0-0. When its that type of game and you still lose 2-0 well its a bit shit Jim.
Its a BRILLIANT goal to cap a BRILLIANT start by Rochdale - Don Goodman 26/08/10
Wealdstone match thread on 19:11 - Nov 16 by 442Dale
He has and it’s not saying the players he’s brought in have been useless or not needed, but there’s a obviously a lack of football knowledge in the rest of the club to help assess what we have and what else is required.
Time for Keith to be Director of Football?
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Wealdstone match thread on 03:32 - Nov 17 with 3108 views
Wealdstone match thread on 22:38 - Nov 16 by Cedar_Room
Poor performance from the Dale once again showing that McNulty has no Plan B. If Plan A goes well we can put in a great performance and look like real contenders BUT if we’re off the pace (which we absolutely were today), if the opposition seem more up for it than us (which Wealdstone did) - what can McNulty do to impose himself on the game? It was obvious first half it wasn’t working and then when we concede one minute into the second half surely the manager has to think - right let’s shake this up. Yet he waited 20 mins before even making the first sub. I can’t think of too many times where Jim has changed things around to get us some points. We either start off well and go on to get something or, like today, we show absolutely nothing from minute 1 to minute 90. And I feel like this is happening more and more as teams are studying us and finding us out. So what’s the alternative Jim? Is there any degree of flexibility in how we play to adapt to the game as it’s happening rather than ‘sticking to the game plan’?
I don’t know whether a lack of Plan B comes down to Jim’s lack of experience as a manager - or (and the bigger worry) it’s part of his personality. He wants to be the players friend, and sticks with them for far too long in games when they aren’t producing and need to be shaken up. Hints of exactly what BBM did. You hear it after most games where his first response in an interview is to say how proud he is of the lads even if we’ve put in a dogsh1t performance.
Still after all these games not convinced at all about McNulty. If anything I think the signs are there he really isn’t the man for the job. Put in a performance like that against the BIFFOs and it will be an embarrassment we’ll never live down.
The end of a bad week for the club, in particular the Ogden family. Apparently Cameron invited over 250 of his business associates to yesterday's game in an attempt to drum up investment and sponsorship for the club. Hired out an entire pub and put on presentations etc. To organise something like that takes some planning and no doubt it will have been a costly exercise. Such a fantastic thing to do. Look how he's been rewarded.
Listening to McNultys interview it sounds like the manager and players didn't fancy the game before a ball had been kicked...they didn't like the pitch and had already identified that prior to the game. After the events of this week i can't imagine Cameron will be very impressed, he's pulling his tripe out trying to drum up investment while his manager is being interviewed for another job, four months into a three year contract (i realise that doesn't bother some fans). Then we throw in a performance like that and the manager tries to kid people that it was the pitch and the referees fault. Insulting people's intelligence and disrespecting our opponents. The bigger picture here are the Ogden family and the football club, i think McNultys disrespected both, just my opinion obviously.
A big part of ' Team Rochdale' and the special bond died for me last week, things now feel a bit different and that's down to McNulty. You look to your manager to provde unity and instead he did the opposite.The players will now know he has one eye on his next move and it looked like it was reflected in their lacklustre performance, a spark was missing. I understand some fans don't have a problem with what went on with McNulty and Burton but try putting yourself in the shoes of Cameron Ogden, deep down he must be so disappointed.
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Wealdstone match thread on 05:25 - Nov 17 with 3024 views
Wealdstone match thread on 03:32 - Nov 17 by TalkingSutty
The end of a bad week for the club, in particular the Ogden family. Apparently Cameron invited over 250 of his business associates to yesterday's game in an attempt to drum up investment and sponsorship for the club. Hired out an entire pub and put on presentations etc. To organise something like that takes some planning and no doubt it will have been a costly exercise. Such a fantastic thing to do. Look how he's been rewarded.
Listening to McNultys interview it sounds like the manager and players didn't fancy the game before a ball had been kicked...they didn't like the pitch and had already identified that prior to the game. After the events of this week i can't imagine Cameron will be very impressed, he's pulling his tripe out trying to drum up investment while his manager is being interviewed for another job, four months into a three year contract (i realise that doesn't bother some fans). Then we throw in a performance like that and the manager tries to kid people that it was the pitch and the referees fault. Insulting people's intelligence and disrespecting our opponents. The bigger picture here are the Ogden family and the football club, i think McNultys disrespected both, just my opinion obviously.
A big part of ' Team Rochdale' and the special bond died for me last week, things now feel a bit different and that's down to McNulty. You look to your manager to provde unity and instead he did the opposite.The players will now know he has one eye on his next move and it looked like it was reflected in their lacklustre performance, a spark was missing. I understand some fans don't have a problem with what went on with McNulty and Burton but try putting yourself in the shoes of Cameron Ogden, deep down he must be so disappointed.
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That's an incredible effort from CO, which i hope starts to bear fruit on behalf of Dale. Truly, in the Premier League of business and yesterday will serve as a salutary lesson on the vagaries of sport at our level
Seasoned Dale fans will be entirely familiar with yesterday; crushing 'no shows' were a staple diet prior to the Hill era (and even then, during the latter stages)
JM remains a rookie manager with the jury still out. Opinions are beginning to be expressed more freely on here now, and that's healthy. Attempts to ridicule and accusations of "rocking the boat" are themselves ridiculous - and especially so after this last week
No, i don't blame JM for speaking to Burton, and neither (apparently) does CO, but it'll have given him food for thought. He'll now have a wider perspective on football at our level which will make him less reliant on those at the club who saw us through the MH debacle, but they themselves were novices in that respect
We're still in a play-off spot. As said before, next week's game will be vital in keeping ourselves up there, and like it or not, Dale managers must accept that derby games really do matter more to fans. It's also an opportunity to put this week to bed
The only real loyalty in sport belongs to the fans. Loyalty isn't 'blind'. It's not 'disloyal' to say it as you see it, it's essential. We'd have gone under without it
Wealdstone match thread on 22:25 - Nov 16 by jonahwhereru
Beginning to think we are not as good as I thought. Arrived late but apparently missed nothing. Then watched a match in which we were never in danger of taking control. We did pull them about at times but to no positive effect. We have lost the tag of being difficult to beat and score against. Must find it again and fast otherwise the chance of the play offs disappear. Seen them 3 times this season a they have got one point. Perhaps I should stay away in future.
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I too am wondering if we are as good as some seem to think we are. A lot has been said about the quality of McNulty's recruitment but there seems to be a hell of a lot of players in the mix, and they're either underperforming or simply not up to snuff. And we have a soft underbelly, Wealdstone's second came about with a couple of crunching challenges in the middle of the park and then they cut right through the middle of us. I'm no tactical expert and don't know if Rodney is being deployed in the right position but he was poor yesterday, although the pitch didn't help, his first touch was dreadful and he didn't look interested. Not sure what Ferguson has done wrong, but it seems pretty obvious McNulty doesn't rate him although we were regularly keeping clean sheets earlier in the season and now are shipping goals just as regularly.
The one positive for me was the return of Gilmour, I think he'll make a difference.
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Wealdstone match thread on 07:12 - Nov 17 with 2878 views
Wealdstone match thread on 05:25 - Nov 17 by D_Alien
That's an incredible effort from CO, which i hope starts to bear fruit on behalf of Dale. Truly, in the Premier League of business and yesterday will serve as a salutary lesson on the vagaries of sport at our level
Seasoned Dale fans will be entirely familiar with yesterday; crushing 'no shows' were a staple diet prior to the Hill era (and even then, during the latter stages)
JM remains a rookie manager with the jury still out. Opinions are beginning to be expressed more freely on here now, and that's healthy. Attempts to ridicule and accusations of "rocking the boat" are themselves ridiculous - and especially so after this last week
No, i don't blame JM for speaking to Burton, and neither (apparently) does CO, but it'll have given him food for thought. He'll now have a wider perspective on football at our level which will make him less reliant on those at the club who saw us through the MH debacle, but they themselves were novices in that respect
We're still in a play-off spot. As said before, next week's game will be vital in keeping ourselves up there, and like it or not, Dale managers must accept that derby games really do matter more to fans. It's also an opportunity to put this week to bed
The only real loyalty in sport belongs to the fans. Loyalty isn't 'blind'. It's not 'disloyal' to say it as you see it, it's essential. We'd have gone under without it
Loyal to our new owners, as a fan that should be the number one priority. I know I'm a dinosaur expecting loyalty from McNulty but four months in to his contract isn't good. On a separate note, i have doubts as to whether next Saturday lunchtimes game will go ahead looking at the weather forecast for the rest of the week. Oldham have good frost covers, we could do to give them a ring and double up with theirs and get them down early.
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Wealdstone match thread on 07:38 - Nov 17 with 2813 views
Wealdstone match thread on 03:32 - Nov 17 by TalkingSutty
The end of a bad week for the club, in particular the Ogden family. Apparently Cameron invited over 250 of his business associates to yesterday's game in an attempt to drum up investment and sponsorship for the club. Hired out an entire pub and put on presentations etc. To organise something like that takes some planning and no doubt it will have been a costly exercise. Such a fantastic thing to do. Look how he's been rewarded.
Listening to McNultys interview it sounds like the manager and players didn't fancy the game before a ball had been kicked...they didn't like the pitch and had already identified that prior to the game. After the events of this week i can't imagine Cameron will be very impressed, he's pulling his tripe out trying to drum up investment while his manager is being interviewed for another job, four months into a three year contract (i realise that doesn't bother some fans). Then we throw in a performance like that and the manager tries to kid people that it was the pitch and the referees fault. Insulting people's intelligence and disrespecting our opponents. The bigger picture here are the Ogden family and the football club, i think McNultys disrespected both, just my opinion obviously.
A big part of ' Team Rochdale' and the special bond died for me last week, things now feel a bit different and that's down to McNulty. You look to your manager to provde unity and instead he did the opposite.The players will now know he has one eye on his next move and it looked like it was reflected in their lacklustre performance, a spark was missing. I understand some fans don't have a problem with what went on with McNulty and Burton but try putting yourself in the shoes of Cameron Ogden, deep down he must be so disappointed.
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Can only assume Devante Rodney didn't get the memo. Never got out of a walk.
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Wealdstone match thread on 08:04 - Nov 17 with 2740 views
Wealdstone match thread on 07:38 - Nov 17 by Newbury_Dale
Can only assume Devante Rodney didn't get the memo. Never got out of a walk.
Back from a injury and he's played out of position, as a consequence so is McBride. Our two forwards both played out of position, well McBride isnt really a forward as such. We have Henderson on the bench who has scored three in his last four games i think. As 442 rightly pointed out, the squad is unbalanced and it's over loaded with similar type wide players. It's what Hill did when Dunphy was Chairman, collecting players like stamps. It was highlighted during the summer recruitment that we needed strengthening through the spine of the team in particular..Goalkeeper, central defender and another goalscorer who we can keep on the pitch.
The on loan keeper from Wrexham came in at the last minute, we've used four keepers already this season and we aren't halfway through yet. So we now have a young kid with no experience at this level as our number one goalkeeper, the most important position on the pitch. Good luck to him. The centre of defence is still a running sore, i accept Ferguson has done well in his limited appearances but i don't have confidence in him and it's clear that Jim doesn't neither, he sees him in training every day. Rodney is always going to miss games, he's consistent with injuries and Hendo is 40 years old, so that's another area that wasn't addressed. In the meantime Jim's signed a load of wide, utility players who let's be honest are very inconsistent and raw at this level.
So the criticism of McNulty in respect to the make up of the squad is warranted, irrespective of the good players he's also signed. How does he keep all those players happy and how can he have clarity of thought when it comes to team selection? It's like every game is a experiment and even more so when it comes to the substitutions.
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Wealdstone match thread on 08:30 - Nov 17 with 2632 views
As i predicted at the start of the season i still feel we will end up mid table....the inconsistency in performances is frustrating.. i hope im wrong.
As regards the Ogdens..i don't know much about their business success but id have thought they would have grasped opportunities and pushed their profile and status regardless of those left behind..its how any successful business needs to be..so I've no objection to Jim or any of the players doing the same.
The only tangible loyalty is to be found on the terraces.
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Wealdstone match thread on 09:45 - Nov 17 with 2441 views
Wealdstone match thread on 03:32 - Nov 17 by TalkingSutty
The end of a bad week for the club, in particular the Ogden family. Apparently Cameron invited over 250 of his business associates to yesterday's game in an attempt to drum up investment and sponsorship for the club. Hired out an entire pub and put on presentations etc. To organise something like that takes some planning and no doubt it will have been a costly exercise. Such a fantastic thing to do. Look how he's been rewarded.
Listening to McNultys interview it sounds like the manager and players didn't fancy the game before a ball had been kicked...they didn't like the pitch and had already identified that prior to the game. After the events of this week i can't imagine Cameron will be very impressed, he's pulling his tripe out trying to drum up investment while his manager is being interviewed for another job, four months into a three year contract (i realise that doesn't bother some fans). Then we throw in a performance like that and the manager tries to kid people that it was the pitch and the referees fault. Insulting people's intelligence and disrespecting our opponents. The bigger picture here are the Ogden family and the football club, i think McNultys disrespected both, just my opinion obviously.
A big part of ' Team Rochdale' and the special bond died for me last week, things now feel a bit different and that's down to McNulty. You look to your manager to provde unity and instead he did the opposite.The players will now know he has one eye on his next move and it looked like it was reflected in their lacklustre performance, a spark was missing. I understand some fans don't have a problem with what went on with McNulty and Burton but try putting yourself in the shoes of Cameron Ogden, deep down he must be so disappointed.
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If that is true regarding Cameron Ogdens efforts, I feel for the bloke. If I was in his position I would be asking myself a simple question that is at the heart of what we have with McNulty. Why did Wealdstone as a team give the impression it mattered more to them than it did to us? As for the nonsense about the pitch someone needs to point out to him, that it is his job to overcome the vagaries of pitch conditions, injuries and team mindsets. He failed miserably yesterday and in so doing let down those travelling fans and the club. Some people really do need to smell the coffee. I don,t blame him one iota for looking to improve his lot in life but spare me the absolute baloney that he is totally committed to Dale. If he was, a conversation with Burton woud never have taken place. Unless of course he was encouraged to do so by the club as a means to achieve a profitable exit from the club.
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Wealdstone match thread on 10:48 - Nov 17 with 2229 views
Wealdstone match thread on 09:45 - Nov 17 by BillyRudd
If that is true regarding Cameron Ogdens efforts, I feel for the bloke. If I was in his position I would be asking myself a simple question that is at the heart of what we have with McNulty. Why did Wealdstone as a team give the impression it mattered more to them than it did to us? As for the nonsense about the pitch someone needs to point out to him, that it is his job to overcome the vagaries of pitch conditions, injuries and team mindsets. He failed miserably yesterday and in so doing let down those travelling fans and the club. Some people really do need to smell the coffee. I don,t blame him one iota for looking to improve his lot in life but spare me the absolute baloney that he is totally committed to Dale. If he was, a conversation with Burton woud never have taken place. Unless of course he was encouraged to do so by the club as a means to achieve a profitable exit from the club.
If CO went to so much effort to market the club to investors/sponsors he should be pretty disappointed with the football served up on the day. As the owner, he will know not to interfere with day to day football matters, but he has been backing JM beyond the original playing budget in recent weeks, and he should remind JM what he expects for that investment - effort, application, honesty and integrity - as a minimum. I feel sorry for CO. His family's ownership should have lifted all the doom and gloom and help rally the town to support the team again. But it hasn't really. For us to be sustainable as a club, we need another 1000 through the gate every week. We need to be winning football matches and playing football that we enjoy watching. I know the fanbase is split on this, but we have the talent and we know the team can do it when set up properly. Jim is a lovely man, and the players seem to love him. But some tough love needs to come from elsewhere.
As for next Saturday, it would be helpful to hear what the club is doing to ensure the game is going ahead - like extra frost covers hired etc etc Especially as so many exiles will need to be leaving home at 7 or 8 in the morning.
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Wealdstone match thread on 14:09 - Nov 17 with 1887 views
Wealdstone match thread on 22:38 - Nov 16 by Cedar_Room
Poor performance from the Dale once again showing that McNulty has no Plan B. If Plan A goes well we can put in a great performance and look like real contenders BUT if we’re off the pace (which we absolutely were today), if the opposition seem more up for it than us (which Wealdstone did) - what can McNulty do to impose himself on the game? It was obvious first half it wasn’t working and then when we concede one minute into the second half surely the manager has to think - right let’s shake this up. Yet he waited 20 mins before even making the first sub. I can’t think of too many times where Jim has changed things around to get us some points. We either start off well and go on to get something or, like today, we show absolutely nothing from minute 1 to minute 90. And I feel like this is happening more and more as teams are studying us and finding us out. So what’s the alternative Jim? Is there any degree of flexibility in how we play to adapt to the game as it’s happening rather than ‘sticking to the game plan’?
I don’t know whether a lack of Plan B comes down to Jim’s lack of experience as a manager - or (and the bigger worry) it’s part of his personality. He wants to be the players friend, and sticks with them for far too long in games when they aren’t producing and need to be shaken up. Hints of exactly what BBM did. You hear it after most games where his first response in an interview is to say how proud he is of the lads even if we’ve put in a dogsh1t performance.
Still after all these games not convinced at all about McNulty. If anything I think the signs are there he really isn’t the man for the job. Put in a performance like that against the BIFFOs and it will be an embarrassment we’ll never live down.
The Plan B thing is what really sticks in the throat. At each fans’ forum Jim’s been so effusive about how it’s ’total options’ Dale. This isn’t total options at all. It’s one option that was successful for the first two months of the season but has been figured out, yet we still persist with it, with absolutely no sign of changing mid-match.
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Wealdstone match thread on 17:26 - Nov 17 with 1660 views
The Plan B thing is what really sticks in the throat. At each fans’ forum Jim’s been so effusive about how it’s ’total options’ Dale. This isn’t total options at all. It’s one option that was successful for the first two months of the season but has been figured out, yet we still persist with it, with absolutely no sign of changing mid-match.
The total options claptrap is mind numbing. The manager needs to establish some track record before aiming to leave his mark as a tactical guru.
I havent felt as disengaged as a shareholder in all my 50 years of shareholding. The value (and I dont mean monetary) of being a shareholder was watered down more than southern beer in order to effect the ownership change in a way that saved face for the current co chair and the rest of the former board.
We needed a clean break from the previous regieme and I hope that the current arrangements are temporary and just a short step from installing a board free of past influence.
Lets get some folks who know football on the board to help the ogdens run a steady ship with promise of growth both on and off the field.
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Wealdstone match thread on 19:57 - Nov 17 with 1457 views
Wealdstone match thread on 03:32 - Nov 17 by TalkingSutty
The end of a bad week for the club, in particular the Ogden family. Apparently Cameron invited over 250 of his business associates to yesterday's game in an attempt to drum up investment and sponsorship for the club. Hired out an entire pub and put on presentations etc. To organise something like that takes some planning and no doubt it will have been a costly exercise. Such a fantastic thing to do. Look how he's been rewarded.
Listening to McNultys interview it sounds like the manager and players didn't fancy the game before a ball had been kicked...they didn't like the pitch and had already identified that prior to the game. After the events of this week i can't imagine Cameron will be very impressed, he's pulling his tripe out trying to drum up investment while his manager is being interviewed for another job, four months into a three year contract (i realise that doesn't bother some fans). Then we throw in a performance like that and the manager tries to kid people that it was the pitch and the referees fault. Insulting people's intelligence and disrespecting our opponents. The bigger picture here are the Ogden family and the football club, i think McNultys disrespected both, just my opinion obviously.
A big part of ' Team Rochdale' and the special bond died for me last week, things now feel a bit different and that's down to McNulty. You look to your manager to provde unity and instead he did the opposite.The players will now know he has one eye on his next move and it looked like it was reflected in their lacklustre performance, a spark was missing. I understand some fans don't have a problem with what went on with McNulty and Burton but try putting yourself in the shoes of Cameron Ogden, deep down he must be so disappointed.
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That explains why the commentators were bemused at the number of fans in the Away end.
Really disappointed for Cameron Ogden trying to drum up support and being let down like a balloon by a Balloon.
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