| Changing British Social Attitudes on 14:17 - Sep 10 with 825 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 12:56 - Sep 10 by DoubeDoube |
British? Welsh here mate - to most British is English. Welsh history should have been taught in schools. Not the Tudors etc. We are Wales and not England [Post edited 10 Sep 12:59]
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The tudors were Welsh. |  |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 14:40 - Sep 10 with 793 views | DJack |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 13:06 - Sep 10 by controversial_jack |
The big I told you so is coming closer |
Which one is that then? |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 14:46 - Sep 10 with 791 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 13:25 - Sep 10 by onehunglow |
Welsh is British
Wales is part of the United Kingdom,with a constitution that is of England .
The Act of Inion still rankles .
I can understand that |
The act of union and the preceding bill of rights (claim of rights in Scotland) is probably one of the most under appreciated and significant events in European and maybe even world history. God knows where we would be if it never happened. | |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 15:10 - Sep 10 with 771 views | DoubeDoube |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 14:17 - Sep 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The tudors were Welsh. |
If a duck was born in a stable it does not make it a horse my friend [Post edited 10 Sep 15:11]
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 16:24 - Sep 10 with 735 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 15:10 - Sep 10 by DoubeDoube |
If a duck was born in a stable it does not make it a horse my friend [Post edited 10 Sep 15:11]
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The tudors lived in Anglesey for hundreds of years. They fought alongside Owain Glyndwr. So if Henry Tudor was born in wales, his entire family and ancestors lived in wales for hundreds of years does that mean he’s a duck? And therefore should we burn him? | |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 17:59 - Sep 10 with 679 views | DoubeDoube |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 16:24 - Sep 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The tudors lived in Anglesey for hundreds of years. They fought alongside Owain Glyndwr. So if Henry Tudor was born in wales, his entire family and ancestors lived in wales for hundreds of years does that mean he’s a duck? And therefore should we burn him? |
He was only a quarter Welsh and was brought up as an Englishman in an English castle in Pembroke.. he then used his ‘birthright’ to muster support among the Welsh by proclaiming himself ‘y Mab Darogan’… when he got the English crown he and his son after him banned Welsh law and oversaw Cymru’s full annexation into the English state; purged the countryside , hanging thousands because of their Welsh Catholicism and banned the language in all public domains, despite 95% being monoglot Welsh speakers.. if he started off believing he was Welsh he soon traded his principles for his new found power as King of England | | | |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 18:07 - Sep 10 with 661 views | onehunglow |
It’s 2024 |  |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 19:28 - Sep 10 with 629 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 17:59 - Sep 10 by DoubeDoube |
He was only a quarter Welsh and was brought up as an Englishman in an English castle in Pembroke.. he then used his ‘birthright’ to muster support among the Welsh by proclaiming himself ‘y Mab Darogan’… when he got the English crown he and his son after him banned Welsh law and oversaw Cymru’s full annexation into the English state; purged the countryside , hanging thousands because of their Welsh Catholicism and banned the language in all public domains, despite 95% being monoglot Welsh speakers.. if he started off believing he was Welsh he soon traded his principles for his new found power as King of England |
That’s an interesting take. | |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 20:35 - Sep 10 with 580 views | onehunglow |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 19:28 - Sep 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That’s an interesting take. |
It’s still 2014
Why are we so obsessed with meaningless history
And it is utterly meaningless
Meaningless in the lives of those looking to keep heads above water
Poorest country in UK and we see this garbage
Truly,we are dumb | |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 21:36 - Sep 10 with 561 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 19:28 - Sep 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
That’s an interesting take. |
His grandfather and father were from Anglesey, Penmynydd and Welsh troops fought for him when he took the throne. He was a bit of a moderniser and kept records diligently.
I'll have to look into him some more for this bad stuff!
Anyway, that was then and Wales is definitely legally part of th Uk and we vote in Uk elections giving our membership of the UK legitimacy and even though turnout was low it was still a fair bit higher than for a Senedd election. The people have spoken! | | | |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 23:02 - Sep 10 with 511 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 21:36 - Sep 10 by SullutaCreturned |
His grandfather and father were from Anglesey, Penmynydd and Welsh troops fought for him when he took the throne. He was a bit of a moderniser and kept records diligently.
I'll have to look into him some more for this bad stuff!
Anyway, that was then and Wales is definitely legally part of th Uk and we vote in Uk elections giving our membership of the UK legitimacy and even though turnout was low it was still a fair bit higher than for a Senedd election. The people have spoken! |
The Tudors were fiercely proud of their Welsh heritage. Henry Tudor in letters always put his Welsh ancestry above that of his Plantagenet line despite that being his only and rather tenuous link to the throne. He abolished the punitive laws imposed on the Welsh who had been involved in the Glyndwr uprising effectively abolishing the situation of apartheid that existed. It’s believed that he and Henry VIII probably spoke Welsh fluently as they shared the same Welsh nanny. Elizabeth I certainly spoke Welsh. Welsh people for the first time were represented in parliament and were given high offices.
Yes the tudors banned Welsh in official settings such as courts, councils etc but that was an attempt to improve efficiency rather than an attempt to harm the language.
To suggest they weren’t Welsh or didn’t value their Welsh heritage is simply not true. | |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 07:59 - Sep 11 with 448 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 23:02 - Sep 10 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
The Tudors were fiercely proud of their Welsh heritage. Henry Tudor in letters always put his Welsh ancestry above that of his Plantagenet line despite that being his only and rather tenuous link to the throne. He abolished the punitive laws imposed on the Welsh who had been involved in the Glyndwr uprising effectively abolishing the situation of apartheid that existed. It’s believed that he and Henry VIII probably spoke Welsh fluently as they shared the same Welsh nanny. Elizabeth I certainly spoke Welsh. Welsh people for the first time were represented in parliament and were given high offices.
Yes the tudors banned Welsh in official settings such as courts, councils etc but that was an attempt to improve efficiency rather than an attempt to harm the language.
To suggest they weren’t Welsh or didn’t value their Welsh heritage is simply not true. |
That's why I said he was a moderniser, he wanted efficiency. His reform of the tax laws wasn't punitive although there was massive corruption. Some people talk about Wales as if it was some kind of utopia, back then the land wasnt filled with one people, we were still bereft of unity, we were still infighting. Even today we have some Welsh people who think they are better Welsh than other Welsh people. What does a culture matter when so many people are still so stupid? We should be coming together but the divides are still there so humanity will never improve until that changes.
OHL, history isn't meaningless, we should learn from it. We keep repeating the same stupid mistakes and we are destroying our world in the process. | | | |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 08:38 - Sep 11 with 441 views | onehunglow |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 07:59 - Sep 11 by SullutaCreturned |
That's why I said he was a moderniser, he wanted efficiency. His reform of the tax laws wasn't punitive although there was massive corruption. Some people talk about Wales as if it was some kind of utopia, back then the land wasnt filled with one people, we were still bereft of unity, we were still infighting. Even today we have some Welsh people who think they are better Welsh than other Welsh people. What does a culture matter when so many people are still so stupid? We should be coming together but the divides are still there so humanity will never improve until that changes.
OHL, history isn't meaningless, we should learn from it. We keep repeating the same stupid mistakes and we are destroying our world in the process. |
Well,it is Cat.
At least to everyday lives,it is.
When we have the luxury of self reflection,then you have a point but for most contemporary lives ,the Tudors are irrelevant . | |
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| Changing British Social Attitudes on 08:42 - Sep 11 with 440 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 08:38 - Sep 11 by onehunglow |
Well,it is Cat.
At least to everyday lives,it is.
When we have the luxury of self reflection,then you have a point but for most contemporary lives ,the Tudors are irrelevant . |
We all have the luxury of self reflection, it's one thing the government can't take away or tax. | | | |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 09:04 - Sep 11 with 434 views | onehunglow |
| Changing British Social Attitudes on 18:58 - Sep 4 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
I wonder if the professor of black studies is aware of the pirates from the Barbary coast who routinely raided Cornwall, the West Country and the south coast of England for hundreds of years to capture thousands upon thousands of people to use as slaves back in Africa? If he is I wonder if he teaches it? |
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