| Cardiff Riots 06:48 - May 23 with 17714 views | 1983 |
Looks like the SWP had the balls to turn up at this riot.
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| Cardiff Riots on 10:21 - May 25 with 1520 views | BryanSwan |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:06 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
We don't know what bike it was, but it was going fast.
From the CCTV
The bike takes 17 frames to get across the shot — 0.68 seconds.
The distance it travels in the video is 8.5 metres.
This means the bike is travelling at about 28mph.
It is going at a similar speed to the police van.
The bike is 31 frames ahead of the vehicle, which is 1.24 seconds.
This means the van is about 15 metres behind the bike.
It looks like a police chase that went wrong. The question is, did the police initially lie? Eve witness accounts seem to suggest this could be the case |
The only issue with it is the fact that they have lied.
They have followed at a safe distance two who they believed to be illegally riding an electric bike, at the time of the accident there were streets away. One would assume that they were either told to leave them or the boys lost them on the bike.
In both situations they haven't done anything wrong, so it doesn't make any sense why they would need to lie. |  |
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| Cardiff Riots on 10:26 - May 25 with 1505 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:21 - May 25 by BryanSwan |
The only issue with it is the fact that they have lied.
They have followed at a safe distance two who they believed to be illegally riding an electric bike, at the time of the accident there were streets away. One would assume that they were either told to leave them or the boys lost them on the bike.
In both situations they haven't done anything wrong, so it doesn't make any sense why they would need to lie. |
They followed behind, 15 metres which is close. The only reason they weren't on that street at the exact time the crash happened, is because they were diverted by the bollards. It looks as if the kids were trying to shake the police off. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:27 - May 25 with 1505 views | britferry |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:21 - May 25 by BryanSwan |
The only issue with it is the fact that they have lied.
They have followed at a safe distance two who they believed to be illegally riding an electric bike, at the time of the accident there were streets away. One would assume that they were either told to leave them or the boys lost them on the bike.
In both situations they haven't done anything wrong, so it doesn't make any sense why they would need to lie. |
one of the roads leading in to Snowden Rd, has bollards at the end of it, so the police couldn't follow them, so when the police said "They weren't on Snowden Rd when the accident happened", then they were correct, as they couldn't follow them any longer.
They should have said that they were following them prior to the accident though, the police van will have a dashcam, that will be the defining evidence but I doubt we'll ever see it. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 10:28 - May 25 with 1497 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:26 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
They followed behind, 15 metres which is close. The only reason they weren't on that street at the exact time the crash happened, is because they were diverted by the bollards. It looks as if the kids were trying to shake the police off. |
And why would they be doing that then? | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 10:42 - May 25 with 1491 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:33 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
It was an E cycle or so we are told, which has been explained to you is perfectly legal' It doesn't need insurance or a license. Yes, they were 2 up, but they were lads of 15 , we all did that. |
Please could you describe to the class what the definition of an e bike is ,no unrestricted ebike which has an out put of less than 250w power output maximum(the legal maximum power allowed for a bike which is used on the highway ) is capable of carrying two people just using the throttle, | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 11:33 - May 25 with 1468 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:42 - May 25 by Boundy |
Please could you describe to the class what the definition of an e bike is ,no unrestricted ebike which has an out put of less than 250w power output maximum(the legal maximum power allowed for a bike which is used on the highway ) is capable of carrying two people just using the throttle, |
Those E bikes can really move especially if being peddled by someone in a hurry.They can go the same as any cyclist.We will have to wait and see. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 12:43 - May 25 with 1439 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:26 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
They followed behind, 15 metres which is close. The only reason they weren't on that street at the exact time the crash happened, is because they were diverted by the bollards. It looks as if the kids were trying to shake the police off. |
Strange on the CCTV and the account shown by the BBC the reporter actually stated they lads kept on the main road and did not take a route through bollards which would have helped them get away.
Another fact for you to digest.
Last year 11 people were killed in e-scooter collisions. A further 1446 were injured including 1106 riders. E-scooters are of course illegal to use on roads and pavements are of course are unregister, unlicensed, uninsured scooters/motorbikes.
It seems the people involved in those accidents did not riot an indulge in crime damage and arson. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 13:30 - May 25 with 1420 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 12:43 - May 25 by felixstowe_jack |
Strange on the CCTV and the account shown by the BBC the reporter actually stated they lads kept on the main road and did not take a route through bollards which would have helped them get away.
Another fact for you to digest.
Last year 11 people were killed in e-scooter collisions. A further 1446 were injured including 1106 riders. E-scooters are of course illegal to use on roads and pavements are of course are unregister, unlicensed, uninsured scooters/motorbikes.
It seems the people involved in those accidents did not riot an indulge in crime damage and arson. |
They did go through the bollards, and eye witnesses have said they were being tailed by the police.
E scooters are different to E bikes. there are thousands of cyclists on the roads every day. many go really fast too | | | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 16:06 - May 25 with 1388 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 11:33 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
Those E bikes can really move especially if being peddled by someone in a hurry.They can go the same as any cyclist.We will have to wait and see. |
Oh behave, aEbike is quicker than anything other than a professional cyclist. Ebikes are supposed to be limited to 15. If as you say it was doing 28 then it is obviously not legal and don't tell me he was cycling fast, I did indeed carry a passenger on my bike as a kid and I could never have made it to 28mph.
Another question, if 28mph is right what is the speed lomit on that road?
Another point, how is it safe for 2 teens on an illegal bike to go at 28mph without any safety gear, as we saw in the video there were no helmets. In which case the police had every right to be following them and those 2 boys (sad as it is for their families) brought about their own demise. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 16:16 - May 25 with 1388 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:06 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
We don't know what bike it was, but it was going fast.
From the CCTV
The bike takes 17 frames to get across the shot — 0.68 seconds.
The distance it travels in the video is 8.5 metres.
This means the bike is travelling at about 28mph.
It is going at a similar speed to the police van.
The bike is 31 frames ahead of the vehicle, which is 1.24 seconds.
This means the van is about 15 metres behind the bike.
It looks like a police chase that went wrong. The question is, did the police initially lie? Eve witness accounts seem to suggest this could be the case |
It all depends what you were looking at, if it was the original, it was a home cctv recording of 2 sets of 5 seconds, the standard for a home motion camera, so impossible to judge the gap. The second recording which was from a street camera showed the actual gap as 14-15 seconds in real time, the BBC confirmed their original error. |  | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 16:31 - May 25 with 1371 views | majorraglan |
I think some people are getting confused.
If what the Daily Mirror has said is correct this isn’t a bike you pedal - it’s an off road scrambler powered by an electric motor instead of a petrol engine. Top speed of between 30 and 45 mph.
https://surron.co.uk/collections/frontpage
Edit - link to picture. [Post edited 25 May 2023 16:32]
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| Cardiff Riots on 17:15 - May 25 with 1344 views | angryjack |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:28 - May 25 by onehunglow |
And why would they be doing that then? |
Because no one trusts the police they would catch them and probably assault them like they did to me walking home innocently. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:26 - May 25 with 1331 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:15 - May 25 by angryjack |
Because no one trusts the police they would catch them and probably assault them like they did to me walking home innocently. |
Perhaps they saw what you posted on here. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:53 - May 25 with 1298 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 12:43 - May 25 by felixstowe_jack |
Strange on the CCTV and the account shown by the BBC the reporter actually stated they lads kept on the main road and did not take a route through bollards which would have helped them get away.
Another fact for you to digest.
Last year 11 people were killed in e-scooter collisions. A further 1446 were injured including 1106 riders. E-scooters are of course illegal to use on roads and pavements are of course are unregister, unlicensed, uninsured scooters/motorbikes.
It seems the people involved in those accidents did not riot an indulge in crime damage and arson. |
It's on here that they did go through the bollards
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-killed-son-says-cardiff-213043544.html | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 18:08 - May 25 with 1280 views | onehunglow |
| Cardiff Riots on 17:15 - May 25 by angryjack |
Because no one trusts the police they would catch them and probably assault them like they did to me walking home innocently. |
You’ve mentioned this before.
It’s well documented .
You have no choice
Police or Rats
That simple | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 20:39 - May 25 with 1223 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Cardiff Riots on 13:30 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
They did go through the bollards, and eye witnesses have said they were being tailed by the police.
E scooters are different to E bikes. there are thousands of cyclists on the roads every day. many go really fast too |
There we go then, as the major has pointed out, it wasn't a cycle, it was an elecytic motorbike which means that they were 100% breaking the law, no tax, no insurance and no helmets and riding a bike thats not legal to be used on the roads.
These kids died because of what they were doing, not because of the police. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:07 - May 25 with 1206 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 20:39 - May 25 by SullutaCreturned |
There we go then, as the major has pointed out, it wasn't a cycle, it was an elecytic motorbike which means that they were 100% breaking the law, no tax, no insurance and no helmets and riding a bike thats not legal to be used on the roads.
These kids died because of what they were doing, not because of the police. |
The issue is, the police said they were not being chased, but it seems they were | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:34 - May 25 with 1186 views | britferry |
| Cardiff Riots on 20:39 - May 25 by SullutaCreturned |
There we go then, as the major has pointed out, it wasn't a cycle, it was an elecytic motorbike which means that they were 100% breaking the law, no tax, no insurance and no helmets and riding a bike thats not legal to be used on the roads.
These kids died because of what they were doing, not because of the police. |
100% agree but why did the police & Alun Michael say what they said ? | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 21:36 - May 25 with 1175 views | Whiterockin |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:07 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
The issue is, the police said they were not being chased, but it seems they were |
We've been through all of this, they were being followed not chased. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:01 - May 26 with 1083 views | onehunglow |
anti policers want there to be a pusuit(chase).
In this case,there wasn’t ,unless you distrust the police in which case there was.
All pursuits are recorded and logged and the commentary available for analysis,which always follows.
Road conditions are assessed for risk .If too great a risk,it’s called off. I’ve called off ,personally ,hundreds mainly during school run times as the risk to the public is too great .
If a pursuit ,is called off and the police driver carries on even for a minute he is dead meat.
I trust the police more than those whose very being hates any police action,mainly because it inconveniences their putrid lives.
If you take to the roads,then you need to take responsibility for your actions. This applies to all ages. | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 09:17 - May 26 with 1077 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:07 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
The issue is, the police said they were not being chased, but it seems they were |
But all the CCTV evidence and timeline clearly shows they were not being chased. The police van you allege was chasing them was not even in the same street it was half a mile away.
Why let facts get in the way of your biased view. (I have used the word biased instead of the correct word bigoted because the correct use of the word upset our woke snowflake generation. It is not an insult merely a statement of fact). | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 09:20 - May 26 with 1076 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 09:17 - May 26 by felixstowe_jack |
But all the CCTV evidence and timeline clearly shows they were not being chased. The police van you allege was chasing them was not even in the same street it was half a mile away.
Why let facts get in the way of your biased view. (I have used the word biased instead of the correct word bigoted because the correct use of the word upset our woke snowflake generation. It is not an insult merely a statement of fact). |
The police have admitted they were following the cycle. | | | |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:55 - May 26 with 1057 views | Boundy |
| Cardiff Riots on 21:07 - May 25 by controversial_jack |
The issue is, the police said they were not being chased, but it seems they were |
Simple question Did the police cause the accident ? and if you believe they did then why ? | |
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| Cardiff Riots on 11:51 - May 26 with 1034 views | controversial_jack |
| Cardiff Riots on 10:55 - May 26 by Boundy |
Simple question Did the police cause the accident ? and if you believe they did then why ? |
I don't know! Simple question is , did the police lie initially? | | | |
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