| Marti Cifuentes 17:14 - Dec 3 with 117429 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Nah me neither.
I’m about to listen to this podcast though. Non Swedish part starts 55 seconds in:
https://t.co/5DqLhBP4vL [Post edited 3 Dec 2022 17:16]
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| Marti Cifuentes on 12:56 - Dec 4 with 6870 views | PunteR |
| Marti Cifuentes on 12:50 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
They picked Beale. |
You sure?. I'm not saying they didn't ,but wouldn' it be more realistic to assume Ferdinand put Beales name in the hat first.?. |  |
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| Marti Cifuentes on 13:00 - Dec 4 with 6853 views | 1JD |
| Marti Cifuentes on 12:56 - Dec 4 by PunteR |
You sure?. I'm not saying they didn't ,but wouldn' it be more realistic to assume Ferdinand put Beales name in the hat first.?. |
I’m not 100% sure, no. I am going by Amits own comments:
“the most important decision that the board of any football club makes is the decision to appoint its manager”.
https://www.qpr.co.uk/videos/i |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 13:18 - Dec 4 with 6770 views | PunteR |
| Marti Cifuentes on 13:00 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
I’m not 100% sure, no. I am going by Amits own comments:
“the most important decision that the board of any football club makes is the decision to appoint its manager”.
https://www.qpr.co.uk/videos/i |
I guess they have the final say in everything but you'd think that decision would be based on the recommendations of their DoF.?. For example if Ferdinand didn't want either Holloway or macClaren but maybe the names were in the frame and they went ahead anyway then that's the boards responsibility. | |
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| Marti Cifuentes on 13:53 - Dec 4 with 6619 views | daveB |
| Marti Cifuentes on 12:50 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
They picked Beale. |
after he was reccomended to the board by Ferdinand & Hoos. Same with Warbs.
When we appointed Holloway and McClaren they were not the ones that Ferdinand/Hoos had put forward |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 14:05 - Dec 4 with 6576 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Sorry for the diversion but this reminds me of a story I heard from a former US Military Intelligence bigwig on a podcast or something.
For generations it was Pentagon policy to a produce and present three military options to the President for every crisis knowing full well that including a really obviously bad option would sway the President towards their own preferred policy.
For example:
A) Sanction Iran
B) Move a fleet into the Persian Gulf
C) Assassinate the Top Brass on a foreign soil.
This was until Trump came along because he chose the ‘worst’ option, which was the reason the Iranian chief of staff was vaporised on Iraqi soil. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 14:21]
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| Marti Cifuentes on 14:22 - Dec 4 with 6491 views | 1JD |
| Marti Cifuentes on 13:53 - Dec 4 by daveB |
after he was reccomended to the board by Ferdinand & Hoos. Same with Warbs.
When we appointed Holloway and McClaren they were not the ones that Ferdinand/Hoos had put forward |
It’s clear the wider team yields a short list, as one would hope. But the point I am making is the owners make the final decision. | | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 14:32 - Dec 4 with 6430 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Marti Cifuentes on 14:22 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
It’s clear the wider team yields a short list, as one would hope. But the point I am making is the owners make the final decision. |
Isn’t that the case for all well run football clubs everywhere? Appointment under advisement? [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 14:51]
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| Marti Cifuentes on 14:46 - Dec 4 with 6359 views | Northernr |
| Marti Cifuentes on 12:50 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
They picked Beale. |
They signed off on Beale. If you think Tony and Ruben had the first foggiest idea who Mick Beale was in May I don’t know what to say. |  | | |
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| Marti Cifuentes on 15:51 - Dec 4 with 6179 views | LongsufferingR |
Are we having this discussion now so we know who to blame when he gets sacked? |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 15:51 - Dec 4 with 6180 views | 1JD |
| Marti Cifuentes on 14:46 - Dec 4 by Northernr |
They signed off on Beale. If you think Tony and Ruben had the first foggiest idea who Mick Beale was in May I don’t know what to say. |
I’m not sure why you feel you need to add something that was never said. To clarify, I never said they knew of Beale before the recruitment process, only that they make the final decision on who gets the job. My point is nothing more than that. | | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 15:59 - Dec 4 with 6129 views | Northernr |
| Marti Cifuentes on 15:51 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
I’m not sure why you feel you need to add something that was never said. To clarify, I never said they knew of Beale before the recruitment process, only that they make the final decision on who gets the job. My point is nothing more than that. |
Well you said they picked him, which isn’t true. Les, Hoos, Belk do the picking atm. The board sign off on their pick after a very final meeting, but it’s a formality, they’ve put the faith in the people who run the club day to day.
There have been times very recently when the owners have “picked” the manager. Holloway was foisted on LF and LH, they didn’t want him, it was problematic from the start. Hoos having to rebuke a manager about his conduct at Millwall that night was a career first for him. McClaren was also a board pick, Fernandez had to “get him out of his system”.
I think it’s important to draw this distinction because ppl gave LH and LF pelters for both those hires and neither was anything to do with them and they were as miffed as everybody else. | | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 16:26 - Dec 4 with 6031 views | 1JD |
| Marti Cifuentes on 15:59 - Dec 4 by Northernr |
Well you said they picked him, which isn’t true. Les, Hoos, Belk do the picking atm. The board sign off on their pick after a very final meeting, but it’s a formality, they’ve put the faith in the people who run the club day to day.
There have been times very recently when the owners have “picked” the manager. Holloway was foisted on LF and LH, they didn’t want him, it was problematic from the start. Hoos having to rebuke a manager about his conduct at Millwall that night was a career first for him. McClaren was also a board pick, Fernandez had to “get him out of his system”.
I think it’s important to draw this distinction because ppl gave LH and LF pelters for both those hires and neither was anything to do with them and they were as miffed as everybody else. |
From the dictionary.
[Pick]: to choose (someone or something) from a number of alternatives.
Yes, I said they picked Beale, because according to Amit, that is what happened. They had a shortlist- presumingly from Ferdinand et al- and the owners interviewed and “picked” - AKA - made the final decision from the short listed candidates. | | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 17:07 - Dec 4 with 5838 views | Boston |
| Marti Cifuentes on 21:04 - Dec 3 by GloryHunter |
How does this fit in with the Government's immigration policy? |
He's coming by boat. | |
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| Marti Cifuentes on 17:29 - Dec 4 with 5762 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Marti Cifuentes on 16:26 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
From the dictionary.
[Pick]: to choose (someone or something) from a number of alternatives.
Yes, I said they picked Beale, because according to Amit, that is what happened. They had a shortlist- presumingly from Ferdinand et al- and the owners interviewed and “picked” - AKA - made the final decision from the short listed candidates. |
Plenty to bash the board with mate, I don’t think we need to draw on semantics and dictionary definitions.
I’m no fan of the owners (big fan of their money though) but I think this is a really sensible approach, even when it delivers shitehawks like Beale. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 17:34]
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| Marti Cifuentes on 17:51 - Dec 4 with 5684 views | 1JD |
| Marti Cifuentes on 17:29 - Dec 4 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Plenty to bash the board with mate, I don’t think we need to draw on semantics and dictionary definitions.
I’m no fan of the owners (big fan of their money though) but I think this is a really sensible approach, even when it delivers shitehawks like Beale. [Post edited 4 Dec 2022 17:34]
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Seems to be a misunderstanding here. I’m in complete favour of the approach Baz and it makes total sense. I was merely pointing out the owners have the final say, and ultimately make the decision on who gets the job. That was it! Anyway, we move on. I’m really keen to see who we get in next, and I have total faith in the new appointment, as I believe we’ve got the process right after years of trying. | | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 06:54 - Dec 5 with 5051 views | NorthLondonR |
cifuentes ejercito azul y blanco
To the tune of "the people united will never be defeated", we might also finally rid ourselves of Gove? |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 08:06 - Dec 5 with 4898 views | SydneyRs |
| Marti Cifuentes on 17:51 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
Seems to be a misunderstanding here. I’m in complete favour of the approach Baz and it makes total sense. I was merely pointing out the owners have the final say, and ultimately make the decision on who gets the job. That was it! Anyway, we move on. I’m really keen to see who we get in next, and I have total faith in the new appointment, as I believe we’ve got the process right after years of trying. |
Oh come on, you're playing with words here. Its obvious who did the interviews, vetting etc for applicants but of course the owners do the final signoff. As Clive has already been very clear about, they didn't pick Beale, they accepted that others more qualified to make the decision chose him. | | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 09:08 - Dec 5 with 4748 views | hertshoops |
To be fair to the shortlisting committee, there were no obvious signs that he was a lying snake when he was first appointed - just ambitious
I'm happy they are getting the process right these days, and not just relying on Fernandes' sweetshop trolleydash |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 10:26 - Dec 5 with 4556 views | 89_50 |
I like the idea of appointing someone like Cifuentes, although I know the square root of sod all about him.
Have spoken to my pal in Stockholm, who is a Hammarby fan, and he doesn't think it will happen.
He said Hammarby paid around 250,000 release for him from Aalborg, so would expect significantly more than that.
He also said that Cifuentes is far too good for Swedish football, but Hammarby are giving him free reign next season to keep him onside for another year.
Being pragmatic, I still think Critchley is the wiser of the options, if we can get him. |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 11:10 - Dec 5 with 4399 views | QPR_Jim |
| Marti Cifuentes on 10:26 - Dec 5 by 89_50 |
I like the idea of appointing someone like Cifuentes, although I know the square root of sod all about him.
Have spoken to my pal in Stockholm, who is a Hammarby fan, and he doesn't think it will happen.
He said Hammarby paid around 250,000 release for him from Aalborg, so would expect significantly more than that.
He also said that Cifuentes is far too good for Swedish football, but Hammarby are giving him free reign next season to keep him onside for another year.
Being pragmatic, I still think Critchley is the wiser of the options, if we can get him. |
That's interesting to hear. I thought that whatever Hammarby want is likely to be less than we got for Beale. I also thought there was a good chance that Beale was on higher wages as well, so hoping that we can afford whoever we have as first choice. Cifuentes sounds interesting and Critchley is a good option too. |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 12:20 - Dec 5 with 4193 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Marti Cifuentes on 10:26 - Dec 5 by 89_50 |
I like the idea of appointing someone like Cifuentes, although I know the square root of sod all about him.
Have spoken to my pal in Stockholm, who is a Hammarby fan, and he doesn't think it will happen.
He said Hammarby paid around 250,000 release for him from Aalborg, so would expect significantly more than that.
He also said that Cifuentes is far too good for Swedish football, but Hammarby are giving him free reign next season to keep him onside for another year.
Being pragmatic, I still think Critchley is the wiser of the options, if we can get him. |
If he's flying in for an interview, then QPR will know the release fee. Waste of time otherwise. You don't go through all the motions of official approach, fly over etc, without knowing that, so if your mate is pinning his hopes on that he'll be disappointed. More likely Cifuentes wants to come to England but maybe holds on for a better job. |  |
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| Marti Cifuentes on 13:46 - Dec 5 with 3898 views | Match82 |
| Marti Cifuentes on 17:51 - Dec 4 by 1JD |
Seems to be a misunderstanding here. I’m in complete favour of the approach Baz and it makes total sense. I was merely pointing out the owners have the final say, and ultimately make the decision on who gets the job. That was it! Anyway, we move on. I’m really keen to see who we get in next, and I have total faith in the new appointment, as I believe we’ve got the process right after years of trying. |
Seems more like these days they have veto power than actually do the picking , which may not have been the case in the past. |  | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 14:20 - Dec 5 with 3793 views | peterlund_dk |
I have been reading up on some Danish forums regarding the Cifuentes move from Aalborg to Hammarby, and a lot of fan chatter at the time mentions, that his Swedish wife and their two kids were part of the reason to move to Sweden. It does not worry me that he is a family man - but it is worrying because this also seems to be part of Beales reasoning for going to GRangers.
I normally prefer to look at the brighter sides of life, but this quote sounds too familiar:
— Until a few days ago, I did not think that our cooperation would end today. But I was offered a job that I think I could not refuse either sporting, financially or for private reasons, Cifuentes says on the Ã…lborg website.
https://newsfounded.com/swedeneng/marti-cifuentes-replaced-hammarby/ | | | |
| Marti Cifuentes on 15:01 - Dec 5 with 3617 views | Boston |
Cifuentes translates to hundred springs.
Marti Hundred Springs! | |
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| Marti Cifuentes on 17:17 - Dec 5 with 3313 views | Quirrel |
Some new info from today.
Meeting tuesday
High up on the shortlist
He wants the job
Compo in the region of 5-700000 pound |  | | |
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