| Colston Statue vandals innocent 18:40 - Jan 5 with 20725 views | Flashberryjack |
Colston vandals are CLEARED: Gleeful BLM activists thank Banksy for his support after they are acquitted of criminal damage over toppling of Edward Colston statue - sparking outrage that jury has given a 'greenlight to political vandalism. |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 20:55 - Jan 8 with 1323 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 20:50 - Jan 8 by Gwyn737 |
Because the trial was a one off.
The idea that anarchy will ensue is ideologically driven, not factual.
Again (for I think the fourth time) I feel the 4 shouldn’t have got away with it.
I also feel it won’t have ant impact long term on future cases.
Maybe the law will change and I’ll shift position.
I’ll tell you what I don’t like, and that’s the AG’s posturing. She and Patel can do one. All sound bites and no function. |
What do you mean it was a one off?
You don’t think there will be another political vandalism trial again?
If there is another political vandalism case and the jury is from a public that has sympathy for that political position, then why wouldn’t this be repeated? It seems entirely possible.
If you don’t think they should have got away with it, I don’t think they should have got away with it, others don’t think they should have got away with it (but still pleased with the verdict) - it seems entirely possible that there is an appetite for this type of crime to go unpunished, this is a direct consequence of similar feeling within that BLM movement where rioters were insisted on being called protesters by the national media.
I’m surprised you can’t see the connection. |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:02 - Jan 8 with 1308 views | Gwyn737 |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 20:55 - Jan 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
What do you mean it was a one off?
You don’t think there will be another political vandalism trial again?
If there is another political vandalism case and the jury is from a public that has sympathy for that political position, then why wouldn’t this be repeated? It seems entirely possible.
If you don’t think they should have got away with it, I don’t think they should have got away with it, others don’t think they should have got away with it (but still pleased with the verdict) - it seems entirely possible that there is an appetite for this type of crime to go unpunished, this is a direct consequence of similar feeling within that BLM movement where rioters were insisted on being called protesters by the national media.
I’m surprised you can’t see the connection. |
I could see the connection if the law was changed.
I appreciate it comes across as contrary but at time of writing I thing that that outcome is wrong but not having listened to all the evidence I have no reason to think the jury were ‘wrong’.
Progressives like the statue 4 will always exist. I have faith in human nature that their actions will always be tempered.
That’s me. I’m not really a lefty. I just believe in humanity. Soft I know but it makes me happy. |  | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:12 - Jan 8 with 1301 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:02 - Jan 8 by Gwyn737 |
I could see the connection if the law was changed.
I appreciate it comes across as contrary but at time of writing I thing that that outcome is wrong but not having listened to all the evidence I have no reason to think the jury were ‘wrong’.
Progressives like the statue 4 will always exist. I have faith in human nature that their actions will always be tempered.
That’s me. I’m not really a lefty. I just believe in humanity. Soft I know but it makes me happy. |
But the law doesn’t have to be changed if the public appetite is for this to go unpunished, that’s the entire point.
The public are the jury not the lawmakers.
Judging by the verdict and judging by the reaction to that verdict, that appetite doesn’t seem limited to these 12 jurors. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:12 - Jan 8 with 1302 views | trampie |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 20:49 - Jan 8 by trampie |
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http://greenculture.world/GC-speakers/kofi-mawuli-klu-guest-speaker/
Seems like the guy is an anti slavery activist, loads on twitter calling for Churchill's statues to come down in the light of Colston statue being dumped, but are there any Churchill statues in Wales ?, the guy was not liked by a lot of people in Wales, will activists seeing the Bristol verdict think it gives them a green light to go after what the English think is their finest, but he is not viewed the same way by many Welsh, Scots, Irish and people from the old colonies of the Empire, I don't know of a Churchill statue in Wales but if there is and it came down and people were taken on and the case was heard in Llanelli or the Rhondda or perhaps Carmarthen or Cardiff would the activists get off.....hmm, depends on the make up of the jury and where the judge was from I suppose. |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:21 - Jan 8 with 1287 views | Gwyn737 |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:12 - Jan 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
But the law doesn’t have to be changed if the public appetite is for this to go unpunished, that’s the entire point.
The public are the jury not the lawmakers.
Judging by the verdict and judging by the reaction to that verdict, that appetite doesn’t seem limited to these 12 jurors. |
Of course the law is led by the public. That’s how democracy works.
If the public at large wanted everyone to wear pink bobble hats a political party would stick it in their manifesto, be voted in and the law would be changed.
Daily Mail types get annoyed with juries and judges and really they should get cross with the law. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:27 - Jan 8 with 1283 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:21 - Jan 8 by Gwyn737 |
Of course the law is led by the public. That’s how democracy works.
If the public at large wanted everyone to wear pink bobble hats a political party would stick it in their manifesto, be voted in and the law would be changed.
Daily Mail types get annoyed with juries and judges and really they should get cross with the law. |
Right so now we are getting somewhere.
So if there is a notion of leftist ideals sweeping the western world where left wing agitators and criminals are to be seen as some sort of freedom fighters, then political crime being excused from that group is a slippery slope.
We have seen it in America with the rioters not being called as such and intentionally called “protesters” with senior politicians encouraging the violence and vandalism while trying to get them out of jail.
Now we have political vandals getting away with crimes based on why they did it, political.
It’s something synonymous with the BLM movement and those acting under that umbrella are to do so with impunity. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:53 - Jan 8 with 1257 views | Gwyn737 |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:27 - Jan 8 by Dr_Parnassus |
Right so now we are getting somewhere.
So if there is a notion of leftist ideals sweeping the western world where left wing agitators and criminals are to be seen as some sort of freedom fighters, then political crime being excused from that group is a slippery slope.
We have seen it in America with the rioters not being called as such and intentionally called “protesters” with senior politicians encouraging the violence and vandalism while trying to get them out of jail.
Now we have political vandals getting away with crimes based on why they did it, political.
It’s something synonymous with the BLM movement and those acting under that umbrella are to do so with impunity. |
Ahhhh… your bias is coming in now.
I’d say that the outcome of all the left wing riots etc. has empowered the Republicans in the US who’ll probably take the house and the senate. Again that’s democracy.
It would probably been quicker if you’d said that your direction was Trump led. It would have made our discussion much quicker.
FWIW I’ve changed my US opinion. I think Trump will run and I think he’ll win. Bookmark it. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:56 - Jan 8 with 1255 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:53 - Jan 8 by Gwyn737 |
Ahhhh… your bias is coming in now.
I’d say that the outcome of all the left wing riots etc. has empowered the Republicans in the US who’ll probably take the house and the senate. Again that’s democracy.
It would probably been quicker if you’d said that your direction was Trump led. It would have made our discussion much quicker.
FWIW I’ve changed my US opinion. I think Trump will run and I think he’ll win. Bookmark it. |
Bias? Which part do you believe is bias?
My views are consistent regardless of political affiliation. I would want anyone on the right convicted for political vandalism too.
Not sure which part you think shows any bias?
Confused by that one Gwyn. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 21:59 - Jan 8 with 1252 views | Dr_Parnassus |
I said months ago that if Trump runs then he wins.
People are becoming scared of what the left represents. Even jurors are put under pressure to make the decision most fitting for the party and not most fitting to the crime. It's very scary.
The minute the US gets a chance to reverse what they voted for in November then they will do it, to me that seems obvious.
It's a realisation of the way the country heads under Democrat/leftist/progressive ideals, its bad for the economy and its bad for society.
People are realising they were lied to by mass media
It has nothing to do with the riots, if it did then Trump would already be in power. There aren't any riots these days are there?
Voting for a party in an election is democracy yes, excusing criminals based on political affiliation as opposed to the law of the land is anarchy and political tyranny, not democracy. [Post edited 8 Jan 2022 22:08]
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 11:50 - Jan 9 with 1185 views | Sirjohnalot |
I’m not going to comment any further re this but please find link to judge’s summing up to the jury.
Thanks to all that’s contributed to this thread especially those that disagreed with me. Great example of how people can disagree completely in a decent and passionate way
https://barristerblogger.com/2022/01/09/colston-summing-up-those-legal-direction
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 11:59 - Jan 9 with 1181 views | Dr_Parnassus |
…before you may find him/her guilty of causing criminal damage:-
1) D, jointly and together with others
2) damaged property;
3) the property belonged to another;
4) D intended to damage it, or was reckless as to whether it would be damaged; and
5) D did not have a lawful excuse for damaging it.
- bringing the rope and equipment to the statue, tying it on and pulling it down before chucking it into the water, I reckon that covers 1-5 quite neatly. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 08:11 - Jan 13 with 1052 views | felixstowe_jack |
Another statue attacked yesterday one depecting tow Shakespearean characters. The man was arrested by police for criminal damage. Wonder if he will convince the jury he is innocent. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 13:27 - Jan 13 with 991 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 08:11 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Another statue attacked yesterday one depecting tow Shakespearean characters. The man was arrested by police for criminal damage. Wonder if he will convince the jury he is innocent. |
Depends on how much the damaged causes was. If it’s under £5000, can only be heard in the magistrates. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 13:39 - Jan 13 with 980 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 13:27 - Jan 13 by Sirjohnalot |
Depends on how much the damaged causes was. If it’s under £5000, can only be heard in the magistrates. |
Good news the magistrate will find him guilty. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 13:56 - Jan 13 with 962 views | Boundy |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 13:39 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Good news the magistrate will find him guilty. |
That didn't take long , who nor what next . Although I do recall someone saying Colston was a one off . | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 14:06 - Jan 13 with 960 views | Ajack_Kerouac |
It's interesting isn't it.
There is a bust of Karl Marx in London, a shrine.
His ideas are responsible for 10s of millions of murders and the torture, imprisonment, subjugation and impoverishment of nearly 2 billion people...yet nobody has taken a sledgehammer to that shrine.
There are statues across the UK dedicated to many Socialists who made excuses for what was going on in the Soviet Union.
Nobody compiles a list and starts campaigns to take them down.
Do you know why?
Because normal people, the people who haven't been warped by political ideology are busy getting on with their lives, doing constructive things to make their own lives better as well as the lives of their spouses, children and community.
It is only destructive, poisoned, people who behave in such a way.
It always seems to be Left wing pressure groups, organised by people like this...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18553933
That guy got a massive pay out from our taxes because a newspaper had the temerity to print a story that told people what he was getting up to...his day job is in "education".
We don't have the equivalent right wing groups behaving in the same manner because most people who vote Conservative believe in the rule of law and respect for History. |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 14:06 - Jan 13 with 960 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 13:39 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Good news the magistrate will find him guilty. |
There’s an automatic right of appeal to the crown court but that will before a judge and two magistrates not a jury | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 16:44 - Jan 13 with 918 views | controversial_jack |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 13:39 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Good news the magistrate will find him guilty. |
Magistrates always find ppl guilty | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:06 - Jan 13 with 868 views | Superjan |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 08:11 - Jan 13 by felixstowe_jack |
Another statue attacked yesterday one depecting tow Shakespearean characters. The man was arrested by police for criminal damage. Wonder if he will convince the jury he is innocent. |
Not sure , if this act had anything to do with politics. I can’t imagine the person was protesting against Shakespeare or the characters depicted. I’d hazard a guess and it’s more to do with the sculptor Eric Gill . I’d be extremely surprised if anyone will be rushing to defend him . | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:26 - Jan 13 with 848 views | Gwyn737 |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:06 - Jan 13 by Superjan |
Not sure , if this act had anything to do with politics. I can’t imagine the person was protesting against Shakespeare or the characters depicted. I’d hazard a guess and it’s more to do with the sculptor Eric Gill . I’d be extremely surprised if anyone will be rushing to defend him . |
Thin end of the wedge/slippery slope though, isn’t it?
Only a matter of time before a one off not guilty jury verdict that has no impact on the law has led directly to a father’s rights activist dressed as Spider-Man attacking a stature created by a man guilty of peadophilia, incest and beastialilty.
Leftist wokies causing trouble again. | | | |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:32 - Jan 13 with 845 views | ItchySphincter |
So, just to sum up then…….
This thread has nothing to do with upholding the law and all to do with rightists wanting to see people punished for pulling down a statue of a slaver.
Punished.
Could have saved several pages. |  |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:38 - Jan 13 with 841 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:26 - Jan 13 by Gwyn737 |
Thin end of the wedge/slippery slope though, isn’t it?
Only a matter of time before a one off not guilty jury verdict that has no impact on the law has led directly to a father’s rights activist dressed as Spider-Man attacking a stature created by a man guilty of peadophilia, incest and beastialilty.
Leftist wokies causing trouble again. |
We have been through this already. (You ignored me after I asked you which part showed bias that you accused me of - I assume because nothing did).
How isn’t it a slippery slope? If the jury are people, and a wave of politically charged sympathy has swept the nation for people who commit leftist political violence and criminal damage… then why would anyone think this is a one off?
It’s hardly like it’s the opposite of public opinion. Even on this thread we have people stating they are sure they are guilty but think them getting off with it is “good”.
Doesn’t seem like it’s limited to those 12 jurors to me…
Now onto the slippery slope of leftist political violence and criminal damage in the west. Can you think of a period of time where there has been less, or would you describe it as there being a surge of it over the last few years?
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:46 - Jan 13 with 829 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:32 - Jan 13 by ItchySphincter |
So, just to sum up then…….
This thread has nothing to do with upholding the law and all to do with rightists wanting to see people punished for pulling down a statue of a slaver.
Punished.
Could have saved several pages. |
Huh?
They are the same thing.
Unless you believe criminal damage is legal if for political means. Which of course proves the societal slippery slope. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:49 - Jan 13 with 824 views | Flashberryjack |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:32 - Jan 13 by ItchySphincter |
So, just to sum up then…….
This thread has nothing to do with upholding the law and all to do with rightists wanting to see people punished for pulling down a statue of a slaver.
Punished.
Could have saved several pages. |
It's all about upholding the law. | |
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| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 20:02 - Jan 13 with 815 views | Boundy |
| Colston Statue vandals innocent on 19:32 - Jan 13 by ItchySphincter |
So, just to sum up then…….
This thread has nothing to do with upholding the law and all to do with rightists wanting to see people punished for pulling down a statue of a slaver.
Punished.
Could have saved several pages. |
and you could have saved your fingers by posting because funnily enough you're wrong. You see its very easy to put posters in boxes but more difficult to prove you're right with your assumptions . | |
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