| Independence march merthyr 08:15 - Sep 8 with 33221 views | CwmafanJack |
Did anyone make the trip? Great speakers eddie butler and neville southall. Thousands in attendance with thousands more not being able to make it as trains where full coming from cardiff. Also busts the myth that theres no support for independence in the south. Well done all. Annibyniaeth ðŸ´ó §ó ¢ó ·ó ¬ó ³ó ¿ |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 09:58 - Sep 10 with 1588 views | Ebo |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:35 - Sep 10 by Uxbridge |
So was the Assembly referendum in the first place. Then we had the decision of the Welsh Office on where the Assembly would be cited. Then we had the next 20 years.
Frankly, the Assembly has failed large parts of Wales. Comparably speaking, Swansea has done better than most, which says a lot. I'd love to see a graph comparing Welsh Government funded projects across different regions of Wales, and I'd also like to see the proportion of projects in each area that have to rely on private funding or EU funding due to the failure of the Welsh Govt to do so.
Sadly one of the best reasons against Cardiff Bay gettting more powers is what they've done with those they've had in the last 20 years, and the way they've consolidated power and resources within a radius of about 15 miles. And I say that as someone very sympathetic to the AUOB movement. |
The one big thing the AUOB movement want to change is to reform the assembly. Many I have spoken to are on board with this as they agree that the current set up (especially under Welsh Labour) is not working. |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 10:09 - Sep 10 with 1569 views | Catullus |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:58 - Sep 10 by Ebo |
The one big thing the AUOB movement want to change is to reform the assembly. Many I have spoken to are on board with this as they agree that the current set up (especially under Welsh Labour) is not working. |
In which case it may be worth a look. Anything or anyone that genuinely wants change for the better is worth at least looking into. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 10:32 - Sep 10 with 1559 views | johnlangy |
| Independence march merthyr on 10:09 - Sep 10 by Catullus |
In which case it may be worth a look. Anything or anyone that genuinely wants change for the better is worth at least looking into. |
Many people have said that it's not the institution that's the problem, it's the people running it. And that doesn't mean that there aren't good Welsh politicians both inside the WAG and outside. The problem is Welsh Labour. They've pursued their policies now for 20 years and nothing will change unless we (voters) change it.
It's up to us to vote in people with different policies, all Wales policies that look after the WHOLE of the country. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 10:34 - Sep 10 with 1558 views | Uxbridge |
| Independence march merthyr on 09:58 - Sep 10 by Ebo |
The one big thing the AUOB movement want to change is to reform the assembly. Many I have spoken to are on board with this as they agree that the current set up (especially under Welsh Labour) is not working. |
Think it's fair to say that Plaid Cymru, understandably in many ways given their very nature, are a focal point here. That of course introduces other challenges. Saying that, if the choice is Price or Drakeford, then it's really not a difficult one.
It's been a positive start though. It's nice to see a positive, progressive political movement for once. |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 12:54 - Sep 10 with 1533 views | AguycalledJack |
Cheers. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 13:02 - Sep 10 with 1527 views | Highjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 10:32 - Sep 10 by johnlangy |
Many people have said that it's not the institution that's the problem, it's the people running it. And that doesn't mean that there aren't good Welsh politicians both inside the WAG and outside. The problem is Welsh Labour. They've pursued their policies now for 20 years and nothing will change unless we (voters) change it.
It's up to us to vote in people with different policies, all Wales policies that look after the WHOLE of the country. |
Yes I agree but people don’t vote that way. Whether it’s a general election or a welsh election voters are more concerned about keeping other parties out rather than putting parties in. Hence the “tactical voting” nonsense we are seeing all the time from complete morons.
How do we get to that situation where people actually want to vote for a party for a change? Most people who vote labour don’t like labour. Labour are shyte. But you have to vote for them to keep the Tories out. It’s the same the other way. How do we change that mindset that has been ingrained for generations? |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 14:43 - Sep 10 with 1494 views | Lohengrin |
| Independence march merthyr on 13:02 - Sep 10 by Highjack |
Yes I agree but people don’t vote that way. Whether it’s a general election or a welsh election voters are more concerned about keeping other parties out rather than putting parties in. Hence the “tactical voting” nonsense we are seeing all the time from complete morons.
How do we get to that situation where people actually want to vote for a party for a change? Most people who vote labour don’t like labour. Labour are shyte. But you have to vote for them to keep the Tories out. It’s the same the other way. How do we change that mindset that has been ingrained for generations? |
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| Independence march merthyr on 14:52 - Sep 10 with 1481 views | Highjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 14:43 - Sep 10 by Lohengrin |
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Peter Ridsdale? | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 15:00 - Sep 10 with 1481 views | Lohengrin |
| Independence march merthyr on 14:52 - Sep 10 by Highjack |
Peter Ridsdale? |
Paul Robeson. He’s going to sing us into becoming convinced Communists and we’ll never have to bother with this voting malarkey ever again. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 15:05 - Sep 10 with 1475 views | Wingstandwood |
Everyone has now left the site and are Googling at a maniac pace to find someone else famous with the initials PR.
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| Independence march merthyr on 17:13 - Sep 10 with 1442 views | johnlangy |
| Independence march merthyr on 13:02 - Sep 10 by Highjack |
Yes I agree but people don’t vote that way. Whether it’s a general election or a welsh election voters are more concerned about keeping other parties out rather than putting parties in. Hence the “tactical voting” nonsense we are seeing all the time from complete morons.
How do we get to that situation where people actually want to vote for a party for a change? Most people who vote labour don’t like labour. Labour are shyte. But you have to vote for them to keep the Tories out. It’s the same the other way. How do we change that mindset that has been ingrained for generations? |
It may just take a couple of elections to happen naturally. In the last WAG elections the Labour vote was 7.3% down. That could be simply to their old, vote for the donkey with the red rosette voters dying off. They ended up with a minority. 29 out of 60 wasn't it ?
Anyway, if they lose another 7.3% at the next election they'll lose more seats. It's a bit boring I know but that may be the way it goes.
On the other hand, what with the shenanigans going on in Westminster and if JC ends up as the Prime Minister and we end up with a hard or no-deal brexit the end may come sooner.
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| Independence march merthyr on 18:14 - Sep 10 with 1420 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 10:32 - Sep 10 by johnlangy |
Many people have said that it's not the institution that's the problem, it's the people running it. And that doesn't mean that there aren't good Welsh politicians both inside the WAG and outside. The problem is Welsh Labour. They've pursued their policies now for 20 years and nothing will change unless we (voters) change it.
It's up to us to vote in people with different policies, all Wales policies that look after the WHOLE of the country. |
Absolutely spot on, this is the problem we are faced with. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:20 - Sep 10 with 1402 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 08:13 - Sep 10 by raynor94 |
So why did he step down from Parliament? |
Went to Harvard to study public administration. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:25 - Sep 10 with 1399 views | blaenaugwentjack |
| Independence march merthyr on 21:16 - Sep 9 by Brynmill_Jack |
Says the man possibly born in England. (Depending on what year obviously) |
Why would I be born in England? Know I the answer to this? So think about this before you answer. Any how quite a few English people are involved in the Welsh indy movement, in fact a lady who formed Undod is English and spoke at the first march in Cardiff. | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:28 - Sep 10 with 1398 views | Wingstandwood |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:14 - Sep 10 by blaenaugwentjack |
Absolutely spot on, this is the problem we are faced with. |
There is the problem, 20 years of Welsh Assemble Government will in itself put people completely off increased powers and independence. It has been an appalling advertisement!
Susan Bailey (very astute, intelligent, perceptive) made predictions (outside of South Wales Evening Post reporting) that were not only extremely prophetic but extremely worrying as well.
Her concern at a few years back was the threat of staged, gradual, step by step centralisation to Cardiff of Swansea/SW Wales services. Services being taken away from Swansea/SW Wales and being located in Cardiff. Her additional concern was then of the possibility of those Cardiff services ending up in Bristol. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 18:34 - Sep 10 with 1389 views | LeonWasGod |
| Independence march merthyr on 15:00 - Sep 10 by Lohengrin |
Paul Robeson. He’s going to sing us into becoming convinced Communists and we’ll never have to bother with this voting malarkey ever again. |
Autocratic monarchy is the way forward. Arise King Tom Jones I. |  | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:35 - Sep 10 with 1389 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Independence march merthyr on 14:43 - Sep 10 by Lohengrin |
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Already in place for assembly elections. After a fashion anyway. |  |
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| Independence march merthyr on 18:59 - Sep 10 with 1369 views | Lohengrin |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:34 - Sep 10 by LeonWasGod |
Autocratic monarchy is the way forward. Arise King Tom Jones I. |
That wouldn’t be unusual...
Edit: Sorry for that, I do apologise.   | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 19:08 - Sep 10 with 1363 views | Lohengrin |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:35 - Sep 10 by exiledclaseboy |
Already in place for assembly elections. After a fashion anyway. |
Hardly any bugger bothers to vote in them unless they are related to the candidates. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 21:58 - Sep 10 with 1319 views | Ebo |
| Independence march merthyr on 18:28 - Sep 10 by Wingstandwood |
There is the problem, 20 years of Welsh Assemble Government will in itself put people completely off increased powers and independence. It has been an appalling advertisement!
Susan Bailey (very astute, intelligent, perceptive) made predictions (outside of South Wales Evening Post reporting) that were not only extremely prophetic but extremely worrying as well.
Her concern at a few years back was the threat of staged, gradual, step by step centralisation to Cardiff of Swansea/SW Wales services. Services being taken away from Swansea/SW Wales and being located in Cardiff. Her additional concern was then of the possibility of those Cardiff services ending up in Bristol. |
This is why it is important to get people talking about it, reading up about it and becoming curious about it. You can't shove it down peoples throats - that is not the way, instead talk to people about it and if they are skeptical point them to the Yes Cymru site, invite them to a march.
It wasn't that long ago the movement was just 6 people in a room. In such a short time it has grown to thousands. It is in the mainstream now and people are getting on board as it is not old fashioned nationalism - they don't care if you can speak welsh or not or where you are from. if you live here you are welsh. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 20:01 - Sep 11 with 1242 views | ladyjack |
Liz speaks to press tv. |  | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:27 - Sep 11 with 1222 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:01 - Sep 11 by ladyjack |
Liz speaks to press tv. |
“Thousands”. Barely 5,000. |  |
| Each time I go to Bedd - au........................ |
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| Independence march merthyr on 20:35 - Sep 11 with 1212 views | ladyjack |
5000 is Thousands | | | |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:36 - Sep 11 with 1211 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:35 - Sep 11 by ladyjack |
5000 is Thousands |
He’s got an undeniable point there. | |
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| Independence march merthyr on 20:47 - Sep 11 with 1187 views | Lohengrin |
| Independence march merthyr on 20:01 - Sep 11 by ladyjack |
Liz speaks to press tv. |
Cosying up to the broadcasting apparatus of the Islamic regime in Iran?
Lovely. | |
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