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The club gave got this wrong . Yeh I agree we should sell but as no one is looking to buy him is it fair that hes told to train with the under 23s.? He dont deserve that. Is it really the case that if hes still here after the window shuts that he'll be frozen out ? Can we afford to do that if we dont sell? Is it fair on the boy?
If we can’t sell him, he must play. He’s one of, if not, our best players. He works hard and puts in a shift. He hasn’t asked to leave.
The fact he may be on a big salary is not his fault. The club need to be careful, you can’t bully an employee just because you agreed to pay him too much and now want to re out a return on your investment. Besides, if 2 players are tied up I. One proven player at this level, you don’t cut your nose off to spit your face. Basically means we’re trying to operate on an even lower budget than we actually have.
Wood, trees and seeing through them springs to mind.
People on here don't half talk shte sometimes. People just love to be outraged. None of us know what the situation is. Is he injured? Is he ostracized? Is he being sold? Is he on strike for more ketchup on his chips? Maybe to all. Maybe the club is doing the right thing and maybe it isn't. Why don't we wait it out for a couple of weeks and see what happens before getting up in arms about the imaginary wisdom or stupidity of the clubs next move?
People on here don't half talk shte sometimes. People just love to be outraged. None of us know what the situation is. Is he injured? Is he ostracized? Is he being sold? Is he on strike for more ketchup on his chips? Maybe to all. Maybe the club is doing the right thing and maybe it isn't. Why don't we wait it out for a couple of weeks and see what happens before getting up in arms about the imaginary wisdom or stupidity of the clubs next move?
Agreed. I seem to recall that Evil Les said Mass had indicated he wanted a new challenge.
One could argue that playing in a team with virtually no strikers would be just such a challenge.
I'm going to make my starting position 'The club does know what it's doing" rather than the opposite and wait to see what happens...
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
People on here don't half talk shte sometimes. People just love to be outraged. None of us know what the situation is. Is he injured? Is he ostracized? Is he being sold? Is he on strike for more ketchup on his chips? Maybe to all. Maybe the club is doing the right thing and maybe it isn't. Why don't we wait it out for a couple of weeks and see what happens before getting up in arms about the imaginary wisdom or stupidity of the clubs next move?
To be clear, i’m not outraged, and financially, I hope we sell him. But it’s been 3 weeks now that he’s not been training with the first team. The only explanation from the club was that they though his future may elsewhere. Great, if we have a buyer. If we don’t, we’re cutting our nose off to spite our face, and I don’t see any logic to say otherwise. We’ll all know by early Aug, but if he’s not been bought, he surely must return to the first team, which won’t as straightforward as it should be given he won’t have been practising with them. What are we gaining by making him train with the kids? Either clubs want to buy him at our asking price and pay him his salary or they don’t. Where he trains is just bullying him for stuff he can’t control. Fine, if it’s a punishment for something, but the club have said nothing to explain it apart from they want to sell him to recoup money on him as an asset. That’s not Mass’s fault.
Yeah it's hard to understand what we've gained by all this. Omitting him doesn't expedite any sale particularly and if the worst happens and he doesn't leave we've put ourselves in a really stupid situation for no reason at all. Mass isn't disruptive (isn't even a big bold positive character the team need to get over either you'd imagine) and isn't turning down a series of juicy contracts so what's the point?
I'm sure the manager would ideally probably rather not work with players who'll be off soon but the wider pragmatic interests of the club is exactly what the DoF is there to enforce.
I said the other week it was firesale logic, because we've depreciated our asset (he won't be match fit for anyone) and basically handed away any leverage and room to manoeuvre we might've had (if he isn't sold we can't use him ourselves). There's a big difference between buyers knowing we're willing sellers and buyers knowing we're left with little option but to take anything we get.
I expect it'll still all be fine in the end and he will be sold for a mediocre but acceptable fee soon enough, this week hopefully. But I really doubt any of this will have helped, and the risk we'll have flirted with entirely of our own making is alarming and bodes ominously for the future.
It could just be that MW isn't involving him as we expect him to be sold.
Imagine the uproar if MW spent pre-season building his midfield around Mass for him to then be sold, having known full well we were trying to sell him. It would be crazy.
If we can't move him on he is integrated back in to the group, works his way back in to the team.
Sensible management from the Club by trying to get some money for him, and by the manager for planning life without him.
From what I understand of Warburton, he likes to build pass and move teams.
Consequently, can someone explain to me exactly how Luongo fits into that?
He can't pass and he can barely move. And in four years I'm struggling to recall witnessing him ever do both things simultaneously.
To be fair, think he did it in a game against Leeds last season when Freeman scored. I guess if he hangs around until the 22/23 season we may get another glimpse.
The best hope for those longing for a Mass renaissance is if this pass and move malarkey falls flat on it's face and we go back to ten men behind a ball we mostly get a feel of when booting it into touch.
You must by now have noticed, Clive alludes to it, that no other clubs seem too enticed by our Emperor, with or without his clothes.
I agree with you, it was more a bit on tongue-in-cheek at the club. Buy a player to develop, overpay him, let him go for nothing and cover the loss by selling an academy graduate under value. Genius!
I agree with you, it was more a bit on tongue-in-cheek at the club. Buy a player to develop, overpay him, let him go for nothing and cover the loss by selling an academy graduate under value. Genius!
I pray to God this ain't true mate I really do!
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
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