| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 229932 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:26 - Feb 18 with 3306 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 10:15 - Feb 18 by loftboy |
I never said we would be billions better off, just pointing out that our rebate is less than we pay in as another poster seemed concerned we were losing our rebate.
In other news a Spanish warship patrolled the Gibraltar coast at the weekend ordering commercial ships to leave the water, it’s guns were uncovered and manned!! |
Cannot be true the nations in the EU all look after each other's interests ask Greece |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 23:52 - Feb 18 with 3170 views | bob566 |
Thousands of jobs gone at honda swindon. Cheers boris and co | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:02 - Feb 19 with 3158 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 23:52 - Feb 18 by bob566 |
Thousands of jobs gone at honda swindon. Cheers boris and co |
Which has been quoted on all news bulletins as nothing to do with Brexit. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:08 - Feb 19 with 3154 views | johncharles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:02 - Feb 19 by loftboy |
Which has been quoted on all news bulletins as nothing to do with Brexit. |
It’s merely a coincidence that Nissan are pulling the plug at the same time. And BMW have shelved plans to build a factory in the UK. Michelin are closing their plant at Dundee. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:13 - Feb 19 with 3154 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:08 - Feb 19 by johncharles |
It’s merely a coincidence that Nissan are pulling the plug at the same time. And BMW have shelved plans to build a factory in the UK. Michelin are closing their plant at Dundee. |
I didn’t mention the other manufacturers, Honda would be closing regardless of Brexit,is every job loss going to be blamed on it? If so if we end up staying in the EU does every job loss after that decision get blamed on staying in the EU? | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:16 - Feb 19 with 3148 views | bob566 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:13 - Feb 19 by loftboy |
I didn’t mention the other manufacturers, Honda would be closing regardless of Brexit,is every job loss going to be blamed on it? If so if we end up staying in the EU does every job loss after that decision get blamed on staying in the EU? |
You can be guaranteed its bcause of brexit. Rover better step up | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:31 - Feb 19 with 3090 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:13 - Feb 19 by loftboy |
I didn’t mention the other manufacturers, Honda would be closing regardless of Brexit,is every job loss going to be blamed on it? If so if we end up staying in the EU does every job loss after that decision get blamed on staying in the EU? |
No, but it’s uncertainty so they’re naturally going to be more risk averse. Some mad coincidences with all this divestment going on.
Not that they’ll outright blame Brexit even if they should as the old snowflakes will boycott Honda. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:41 - Feb 19 with 3074 views | RangersDave |
Most of the far east car companys announced a while ago that they were taking production back you Japan, as they no longer see the viability, especially with deisel car sales falling through the floor, of overseas production, and want to keep production within Japan.
Nowt to do with the oft used 'Brext' scapegoat message at all. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:55 - Feb 19 with 3075 views | derbyhoop |
Honda's decision appears to be based on a number of factors, of which Brexit is one.
The auto industry is changing. Sales of diesel cars are falling, electric vehicles rising. But, who knows, what the market will be in 3 years time, when the shutdown decision comes into force.
What is clear is that production will be closer to Honda's component suppliers. And, that the EU-Japan trade deal will have eliminated tariffs, while post-Brexit UK will still need to impose those tariffs, under WTO rules.
Brexit may not be the main reason, but it is a (significant?) factor. [Post edited 26 Feb 2019 14:16]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 07:47 - Feb 19 with 3041 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:41 - Feb 19 by RangersDave |
Most of the far east car companys announced a while ago that they were taking production back you Japan, as they no longer see the viability, especially with deisel car sales falling through the floor, of overseas production, and want to keep production within Japan.
Nowt to do with the oft used 'Brext' scapegoat message at all. |
Yep nothing to do with having tariff-free access to the EU compared to unknown tariffs in the UK. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:41 - Feb 19 with 2995 views | willis1980 |
Ive no idea therefore I’d be interested to know if any of these plants in Europe are planning to close. Whatever the answer it may go some way in finding out whether pulling the plug on the uk plants has anything to do with Brexit.
Nissan
Aubergenville
Avila
Barcelona
Honda
Aalst
Ford
Blanquefort
Cologne
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 08:43 - Feb 19 with 2981 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Honda said the move was due to global changes in the car industry and the need to launch electric vehicles and had nothing to do with Brexit.
Ian Howells, senior vice-president for Honda in Europe, told the BBC: "We're seeing an unprecedented change in the industry on a global scale. We have to move very swiftly to electrification of our vehicles because of the demand of our customers and legislation.
"This is not a Brexit-related issue for us, it's being made on the global-related changes I've spoken about.
"We've always seen Brexit as something we'll get through, but these changes globally are something we will have to respond to. We deeply regret the impact it will have on the Swindon community." |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:59 - Feb 19 with 2895 views | CaptainPugwash |
Belay there!
Sadiq The Cerebral Psittacoid sez...
"AAAAArrrkkk...as soon as the EU heard the United Kingdom were going to give Japan a free trade deal with zero tariffs after brexit, they jumped in. That should tell even the most blinkered of remainers what the EU is really like. Jealous as hell because they know the U.K. will be successful.
Splice the mainbrace
Splice the mainbrace"
Yo Ho! [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 14:00]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:14 - Feb 19 with 2882 views | willis1980 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:59 - Feb 19 by CaptainPugwash |
Belay there!
Sadiq The Cerebral Psittacoid sez...
"AAAAArrrkkk...as soon as the EU heard the United Kingdom were going to give Japan a free trade deal with zero tariffs after brexit, they jumped in. That should tell even the most blinkered of remainers what the EU is really like. Jealous as hell because they know the U.K. will be successful.
Splice the mainbrace
Splice the mainbrace"
Yo Ho! [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 14:00]
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the negotiations between the EU and Japan started in 2013! | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:20 - Feb 19 with 2874 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 07:47 - Feb 19 by Watford_Ranger |
Yep nothing to do with having tariff-free access to the EU compared to unknown tariffs in the UK. |
As Honda will have tariff free access to the EU even if we stayed in their factory in Swindon will no longer be necessary. As I understand it they are not opening a new factory in the EU [Post edited 19 Feb 2019 14:28]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:30 - Feb 26 with 2675 views | R_from_afar |
This is quite a helpful article in terms of understanding where we are with this ongoing nightmare:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-idUSKCN1QF0LZ?utm_campaign=trueAnt
It does sound like no deal will be ruled out. I want us to stay in the EU but accept the outcome of the referendum. I do think we must come out with a deal, though, to avoid some genuinely serious consequences for our economy and the functioning of the country.
RFA (dons bullet proof vest...)
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:27 - Feb 26 with 2583 views | derbyhoop |
May spelt the 3 options out today
1. Leave with a deal
2. Leave with no deal
3. No Brexit
At the moment option 2 is the default.
Option 1 is her deal, or a minor amendment to it. Our sovereign Parliament rejected it by 230 votes on Jan 15th. The EU say the Withdrawal Agreement won't be changed. So why will that get through, between now and end of March?
Option 2 could be off the table by tomorrow night - if Parliament passes some of the proposed amendments. Very few MPs are prepared to vote for the crash-out, no-deal option because they know how damaging it will be.
Option 3 doesn't reflect "the will of the people". Is that still the case ?
IMHO the best choice is 3, followed by 1 and never go to 2.
Quite frankly, if you listen to what Mark Rutte, the Dutch PM said yesterday, only options 1 and 3 make any sense. And that's coming from 1 of the UK's best friends in Europe. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:35 - Feb 26 with 2579 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 06:55 - Feb 19 by derbyhoop |
Honda's decision appears to be based on a number of factors, of which Brexit is one.
The auto industry is changing. Sales of diesel cars are falling, electric vehicles rising. But, who knows, what the market will be in 3 years time, when the shutdown decision comes into force.
What is clear is that production will be closer to Honda's component suppliers. And, that the EU-Japan trade deal will have eliminated tariffs, while post-Brexit UK will still need to impose those tariffs, under WTO rules.
Brexit may not be the main reason, but it is a (significant?) factor. [Post edited 26 Feb 2019 14:16]
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"And, that the EU-Japan trade deal will have eliminated tariffs, while post-Brexit UK will still need to impose those tariffs, under WTO rules. "
Will it not be possible for the UK to enter a trade deal with Japan to eliminate tariffs | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:53 - Feb 26 with 2548 views | derbyhoop |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:35 - Feb 26 by QPR_John |
"And, that the EU-Japan trade deal will have eliminated tariffs, while post-Brexit UK will still need to impose those tariffs, under WTO rules. "
Will it not be possible for the UK to enter a trade deal with Japan to eliminate tariffs |
Yes, it's possible. But, WTO rules say that if you eliminate tariffs for 1 country,, you eliminate them for all countries. What do you think that would do for our manufacturing industries?
And, you have to ask, what would Japan gain from a UK-Japan deal that they can't get from the EU-Japan one? Which, incidentally, will take a number of years to fully implement. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:40 - Feb 26 with 2520 views | JAPRANGERS |
Who cares about Brexit?? People voted to leave so just leave already.
No the important thing is.. Come on you RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!! |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 17:19 - Feb 26 with 2474 views | Galileo |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:27 - Feb 26 by derbyhoop |
May spelt the 3 options out today
1. Leave with a deal
2. Leave with no deal
3. No Brexit
At the moment option 2 is the default.
Option 1 is her deal, or a minor amendment to it. Our sovereign Parliament rejected it by 230 votes on Jan 15th. The EU say the Withdrawal Agreement won't be changed. So why will that get through, between now and end of March?
Option 2 could be off the table by tomorrow night - if Parliament passes some of the proposed amendments. Very few MPs are prepared to vote for the crash-out, no-deal option because they know how damaging it will be.
Option 3 doesn't reflect "the will of the people". Is that still the case ?
IMHO the best choice is 3, followed by 1 and never go to 2.
Quite frankly, if you listen to what Mark Rutte, the Dutch PM said yesterday, only options 1 and 3 make any sense. And that's coming from 1 of the UK's best friends in Europe. |
Weren't options 1 and 2 always on the agenda ?
It's only since those MPs ignoring the will of the people and in many cases their constituents and trying to make a name for themselves that 3 has now become an option for consideration.
Two years of squabbling and untold millions of ponds wasted.
Shower of shite the lot of them. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:17 - Feb 26 with 2442 views | colinallcars |
It looks like “ no deal “ is out, that's good.
So, most likely, either no brexit or a delay. The longer the delay the better - perhaps people will eventually see sense and come around to the remain option. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:47 - Feb 26 with 2385 views | kensalriser |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:17 - Feb 26 by colinallcars |
It looks like “ no deal “ is out, that's good.
So, most likely, either no brexit or a delay. The longer the delay the better - perhaps people will eventually see sense and come around to the remain option. |
Don't hold your breath, Brexit is like a religion now. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:13 - Feb 27 with 2279 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:53 - Feb 26 by derbyhoop |
Yes, it's possible. But, WTO rules say that if you eliminate tariffs for 1 country,, you eliminate them for all countries. What do you think that would do for our manufacturing industries?
And, you have to ask, what would Japan gain from a UK-Japan deal that they can't get from the EU-Japan one? Which, incidentally, will take a number of years to fully implement. |
Then the EU is not operating under WTO rules which is clear so is it not possible for a single country to opt out of WTO rules. Is the deal between the EU and Japan reciprocal and if so must Japan offer the same deal for all other countries unless they are operating outside of WTO rules. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 03:37 - Feb 27 with 2229 views | BlackCrowe |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 00:13 - Feb 27 by QPR_John |
Then the EU is not operating under WTO rules which is clear so is it not possible for a single country to opt out of WTO rules. Is the deal between the EU and Japan reciprocal and if so must Japan offer the same deal for all other countries unless they are operating outside of WTO rules. |
I can't believe this thread is still alive, but from the start i shoud've stuck a couple of quid on. fckng prophetic, me. | |
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