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Basically, that is true. Also as mentioned , it is a conservative skew, but it is interesting to see the breakdown of figures (albeit polls) the shifts seen by certain demographics (not focussing on totals, but on increases made since prior elections).
I agree, I admit, I didn't pay too much attention to them when I looked at the same polls.
There was a steady flow of students entering Ms. Boynton’s office Wednesday. They spent the day sprawled around the center, playing with Play-Doh and coloring in coloring books, as they sought comfort and distraction.
Ms. Boynton's office isn't at a grade school. Or a junior high. Or even a high school. This is the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor, one of the most difficult public universities in America to get acceptance to.
Hate to sound like the grumpy old man I'm quickly becoming,. But 3 generations ago, American "kids" this exact same age spent 4 years (sorry we were a little late) fighting and dying against the Nazis and Japanese in order to help save mankind.
How the ****ing **** did we get from THAT, to ****ing colouring books and Play-Doh (which is luckily safe to eat, if I recall correctly from Kindergarten) when your candidate loses?!?!?!!
****!!!!!
Trump may manage to surprise people. But, I can't promise he won't be the disaster most people worldwide expect. FWIW, our market seems to like the near future, so far. And typically that goes down no matter who wins, just due to the uncertainty.
But in the really long run, it doesn't matter. Once the Snowflake Generation takes over, we're done.
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The problem Tummer is that the whole campaign was run on a message of extreme divisiveness, intolerance and hatred - on both sides. So the protests are a reflection of this.
And the reason you've gone from young people fighting wars to them receiving counselling now, or whatever nonsense they are doing, is because you've also gone in three generations from 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country' to 'grab them by the pussy' and 'build a wall'.
One of the candidates spent the last few weeks telling everyone that the election was rigged and the process undemocratic and a fix. What the heck did everyone expect would happen? Imagine what would have happened if Trump had won the popular vote and lost the election. There would have been carnage.
I've zero doubt that Trump will very quickly walk back most if not all of his nonsense social policies - it seems that his 'anti Moslem' policy has already been removed from his own website. The issue will be whether those that heard that stuff, over and over, will as easily let it rest. It comes to something when the best hope for a successful presidency is that the successful candidate spent the whole campaign lying through his backside.
The problem Tummer is that the whole campaign was run on a message of extreme divisiveness, intolerance and hatred - on both sides. So the protests are a reflection of this.
And the reason you've gone from young people fighting wars to them receiving counselling now, or whatever nonsense they are doing, is because you've also gone in three generations from 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country' to 'grab them by the pussy' and 'build a wall'.
One of the candidates spent the last few weeks telling everyone that the election was rigged and the process undemocratic and a fix. What the heck did everyone expect would happen? Imagine what would have happened if Trump had won the popular vote and lost the election. There would have been carnage.
I've zero doubt that Trump will very quickly walk back most if not all of his nonsense social policies - it seems that his 'anti Moslem' policy has already been removed from his own website. The issue will be whether those that heard that stuff, over and over, will as easily let it rest. It comes to something when the best hope for a successful presidency is that the successful candidate spent the whole campaign lying through his backside.
The rioters at the moment don't appear to be those horrible racist xenophobes...
The rioters at the moment don't appear to be those horrible racist xenophobes...
You'll find they are...burning American flags, asking for white scum to die seem to fit that narrative extremely well. As I mentioned previously, the extremes only have a flip of the thing they are baiting.
As I said, the hate and divisiveness was on both sides.
Fairly obviously the side that lost will be the ones complaining.
You can't believe it would have been different the other way round?
The whole campaign was awful - across the board.
That's hypothetical. Suspect most wouldn't have expected Trump to have won, rather hoping.
It was the liberal left complaining about the "racist, xenophobic thugs". It's therefore hypocritical of them to act the way they have. The fact that so many students have been "triggered" and educational establishments are catering to the snowflakes shows how delusional liberals are.
Of course, a cynic would point that that those zelebs "threatening" to go to Canada a) won't leave and b) are racists for not going to Mexico.
But having veered from the point... of course it was an awful campaign. Any meaningful candidates were undermined, undercut. It wasn't an election more an expected unopposed crawl to power by Hilary - supported by Democrats and media alike.
Do I suspect Trump meant what he said at times? No, playing to the disaffected. I'd suspect that in power he'll be far different than the rhetoric, which will probably lead to a one and done term of office.
What we are seeing is that to the liberal left democracy means "voting the way they wanted you to vote". Not a fan of the American system - any credible candidate outside main two parties is massively disadvantaged, reduced to being a spoiler at best. Are there many viable alternatives? No.
If you go on pure votes, then you put the power into a small number of states who have by far higher populations than others. California had a massive number of voters, largely voting for Hilary. Luvvies and wannabe luvvies determining an election? Eh... equally no electoral college means candidates then fail to campaign in vast swathes of America.
This week has been incredibly humbling. I supported neither main candidate, but the air of incredulity is strong. For almost a decade, I scoffed at folk who said that Obama wasn't *their* president. President is President for all. Now, I stand in *their* shoes.
One thing that comedian guy is not mentioning is that the right, the Cons, Brit Nats and Red Tories will not engage in debate, they control the mainstream media and therefore they don't feel the need to engage in debate themselves.
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The problem Tummer is that the whole campaign was run on a message of extreme divisiveness, intolerance and hatred - on both sides. So the protests are a reflection of this.
And the reason you've gone from young people fighting wars to them receiving counselling now, or whatever nonsense they are doing, is because you've also gone in three generations from 'ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country' to 'grab them by the pussy' and 'build a wall'.
One of the candidates spent the last few weeks telling everyone that the election was rigged and the process undemocratic and a fix. What the heck did everyone expect would happen? Imagine what would have happened if Trump had won the popular vote and lost the election. There would have been carnage.
I've zero doubt that Trump will very quickly walk back most if not all of his nonsense social policies - it seems that his 'anti Moslem' policy has already been removed from his own website. The issue will be whether those that heard that stuff, over and over, will as easily let it rest. It comes to something when the best hope for a successful presidency is that the successful candidate spent the whole campaign lying through his backside.
If Republicans were now setting fires, looting, overturning cars, and blocking traffic from coast to coast, that would be the most historic thing that happened all week.
As far as his social policies/threats are concerned, Trump supporters have been saying something that sounded a bit flimsy to me at first, but does make a degree of sense:
"The media and Trump's critics" (myself included, in hindsight) "didn't take him seriously, but they took him literally. Trump's support took him seriously, but didn't take him literally."
I'm hoping he doesn't bother building that wall, which is a silly, wasteful, and cartoonish solution to securing a 1989 mile border. But I trust that he will improve our illegal immigration and homeland security policies, which is really the point.
If Trump is a successful President, it will be funny (in a sad way) four years from now, when his critics are lambasting him for not literally following through on some of the threats that scared the hell out of them in the first place.
If Republicans were now setting fires, looting, overturning cars, and blocking traffic from coast to coast, that would be the most historic thing that happened all week.
As far as his social policies/threats are concerned, Trump supporters have been saying something that sounded a bit flimsy to me at first, but does make a degree of sense:
"The media and Trump's critics" (myself included, in hindsight) "didn't take him seriously, but they took him literally. Trump's support took him seriously, but didn't take him literally."
I'm hoping he doesn't bother building that wall, which is a silly, wasteful, and cartoonish solution to securing a 1989 mile border. But I trust that he will improve our illegal immigration and homeland security policies, which is really the point.
If Trump is a successful President, it will be funny (in a sad way) four years from now, when his critics are lambasting him for not literally following through on some of the threats that scared the hell out of them in the first place.
Of course the rioting is utterly abhorrent.
Also abhorrent are the things happening from 'the other side' - people being told to get to the back of the bus or to go back to Africa, the Klan having celebratory rallies and tweeting about how wonderful it is, the Washington Post are carrying a video of young people in Pennsylvania screaming 'white power', numerous reports from all over America of people being subjected to racist attacks. As I said, there was awful hate speech from both sides throughout the campaign, and the effects can't be easily turned off. It's all very well for Trump himself to go from saying Obama was not an American to now saying what an honour it is to meet him, but unfortunately some of the people (on both sides) believed all the rhetoric and didn't see it for the game it all was.
Trump himself urged people to march on Washington in protest when Obama was elected, as he said it was unconstitutional because of the popular vote. Hillary has (according to the latest figures) the highest popular vote for a losing candidate in history, so who can be surprised when her supporters took it upon themselves to do what Trump urged? The violence it appears, is part of almost every public demonstration that ever happens - sadly (on both sides of the Atlantic) the notion of peaceful protest seems to have vanished. Largely stirred I suspect by 'professional rioters' whose only motivation is criminal.
As for illegal immigrants - numbers may well drop - not least of course since Trump himself can't run his empire now he's in charge, so that reduces the huge number of illegal immigrants he's always used !!
I wonder if Trump is absolutely bricking it now. He would surely never have expected to actually win and seemed to treat the whole thing as a bit of a lark. Now he has the prospect of actually having to run the most powerful nation on earth with no prior experience at all and as a complete outsider with no idea how politics works. It'll be interesting to see his many of his outlandish campaign promises he's actually delivered by the end of his four years, if he lasts that long.
That wall between USA and Mexico? Not gonna happen. Stopping all Muslim immigration? Yeah, not gonna happen either. Locking Hilary up? Well, no.
I wonder if Trump is absolutely bricking it now. He would surely never have expected to actually win and seemed to treat the whole thing as a bit of a lark. Now he has the prospect of actually having to run the most powerful nation on earth with no prior experience at all and as a complete outsider with no idea how politics works. It'll be interesting to see his many of his outlandish campaign promises he's actually delivered by the end of his four years, if he lasts that long.
That wall between USA and Mexico? Not gonna happen. Stopping all Muslim immigration? Yeah, not gonna happen either. Locking Hilary up? Well, no.
It'll be a fun watch if nothing else.
I concur I've already touched on this on page 3 of this very thread.
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One thing the Brexit and presidential campaigns have proved is thaf it's possible to win an election now by just making up the most outlandish gubbins that you know people want to hear without ever having any intention of delivering any of it.
I wonder if Trump is absolutely bricking it now. He would surely never have expected to actually win and seemed to treat the whole thing as a bit of a lark. Now he has the prospect of actually having to run the most powerful nation on earth with no prior experience at all and as a complete outsider with no idea how politics works. It'll be interesting to see his many of his outlandish campaign promises he's actually delivered by the end of his four years, if he lasts that long.
That wall between USA and Mexico? Not gonna happen. Stopping all Muslim immigration? Yeah, not gonna happen either. Locking Hilary up? Well, no.
It'll be a fun watch if nothing else.
For Trump now read Boris a few months ago.
Absolutely bricking it.
And the funniest bit of all is that his closest friends in politics who he would want to turn to for advice, have always, of course, been the Clintons...
I wonder if Trump is absolutely bricking it now. He would surely never have expected to actually win and seemed to treat the whole thing as a bit of a lark. Now he has the prospect of actually having to run the most powerful nation on earth with no prior experience at all and as a complete outsider with no idea how politics works. It'll be interesting to see his many of his outlandish campaign promises he's actually delivered by the end of his four years, if he lasts that long.
That wall between USA and Mexico? Not gonna happen. Stopping all Muslim immigration? Yeah, not gonna happen either. Locking Hilary up? Well, no.
It'll be a fun watch if nothing else.
I'm surprised you're still making predictions about Trump going on your record of predictions about him so far.
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And the funniest bit of all is that his closest friends in politics who he would want to turn to for advice, have always, of course, been the Clintons...
For Boris, include pretty much every politician who shilled for Brexit and now has at least some responsibility for delivering it. Mass, if understated, panic all over the corridors of power with no sign of a coherent plan. It literally changes daily.
I'm surprised you're still making predictions about Trump going on your record of predictions about him so far.
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Aye, well that's the risk one takes when having an opinion. Somrtimes you get it wrong. In my defence I called the 2015 election, Brexit and US presidential elections all wrong so at least I'm consistent.
Aye, well that's the risk one takes when having an opinion. Somrtimes you get it wrong. In my defence I called the 2015 election, Brexit and US presidential elections all wrong so at least I'm consistent.
We're all consistent on those pretty much. I certainly am.
Planet Swans Prediction League Winner Season 2013-14. Runner up 2014_15.
Aye, well that's the risk one takes when having an opinion. Somrtimes you get it wrong. In my defence I called the 2015 election, Brexit and US presidential elections all wrong so at least I'm consistent.
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