| BBC 5 Live Breakfast 12:09 - Jun 4 with 14983 views | BallastBoy |
Dan Jones (of Deloitte) was yapping on about the Premier League Review on Wake Up To Money. They finished by saying that the Rochdale Chairman would be interviewed later on 5 live breakfast.
Anyone hear it, or know what he said? |  | | |  |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:52 - Jun 4 with 2907 views | fitzochris |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:03 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
Never seen so many stuck up posts on here in a longtime it's like Rochdale is turning into Oldham no wonder people don't want to go through them gates to be judged by holy than thou people!
I understand that some of you are feeling very bitter because i get to do my first ever tournament but my god it's kinda nice to see true colours emerge least i don't hide behind a username and I'm myself!
Some of you need to learn not to judge a book by it's cover and focus on the proper job of building a strong fanbase for the club whats fit for this league!
UP THE DALE |
Your real name is Tazzydjr? |  |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:55 - Jun 4 with 2890 views | rochdaleriddler |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 18:03 - Jun 4 by 49thseason |
Tazzy , whilst recognising that you clearly inhabit your own planet, it would be helpful if you would check your statistics before stating them to be facts. - The internet is great for exchanging strange (usually)leftard political views particularly having just been defeated in a general election but facts are what people in the real world have to work with not weird fantasies .
Fact: (Source: Office of National Statistics.- ONS)
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/interactive/unemployment-rate-by-region---dvc7/index.h
Unemployment in the Northwest in April 2010 (prior to the general election) was 7.9% - exactly in line with the national figure.Unemployment in March 2015 was 5.7% vs a national figure of 5.5. Hence under the Cameron Government nationally unemployment fell by 2.4% and Northwest unemployment fell by 2.2%
Meanwhile the number of unemployed people has fallen from 1.6m in Jan 2010 to less than 800K as at today(4/6/15)
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/unemployed-persons
(The number of unemployed persons refers to the claimant count which is a full count of the number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance (JSA) each month. . This page provides - United Kingdom Unemployed Persons - actual values, historical data, forecast, chart, statistics, economic calendar and news. Content for - United Kingdom Unemployed Persons)
You might also bear in mind that unemployment has been falling whilst the number of employed people has increased to record numbers.
I know that you have a very nebulous relationship with the world of work but as a consequence you do have lots of time to check your facts , it would be helpful to your postings if in future you attempted to do as much research on facts as you do on the comings and goings of football clubs in leagues most of us have never heard of. |
well not one to nitpick, but the 'unemployment' figures are not that. they are people out of work, of working age claiming unemployment benefit. so given that job centres are incentivised to remove people from these figures for various nebulous reasons, sickness, and sanctions spring to mind, and given that the economy isnt growing as much as you would expect , your argument is pulled straight from the Daily Mail, and as such is utter crap |  |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:10 - Jun 4 with 2836 views | roccydaleian |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:55 - Jun 4 by rochdaleriddler |
well not one to nitpick, but the 'unemployment' figures are not that. they are people out of work, of working age claiming unemployment benefit. so given that job centres are incentivised to remove people from these figures for various nebulous reasons, sickness, and sanctions spring to mind, and given that the economy isnt growing as much as you would expect , your argument is pulled straight from the Daily Mail, and as such is utter crap |
I'll refer to HK_Dale's response to one of Botty's posts. |  | | |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:13 - Jun 4 with 2828 views | tazzydjr |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:52 - Jun 4 by fitzochris |
Your real name is Tazzydjr? |
No it's not least I don't hide behind some username I will gladly have a drink with anybody on here seen as most of you make me out to be this villain when I am not
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:14 - Jun 4 with 2820 views | TVOS1907 |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:13 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
No it's not least I don't hide behind some username I will gladly have a drink with anybody on here seen as most of you make me out to be this villain when I am not
UP THE DALE [Post edited 4 Jun 2015 22:16]
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But tazzydjr is a username, isn't it? |  |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:16 - Jun 4 with 2804 views | moth5368 |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:03 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
Never seen so many stuck up posts on here in a longtime it's like Rochdale is turning into Oldham no wonder people don't want to go through them gates to be judged by holy than thou people!
I understand that some of you are feeling very bitter because i get to do my first ever tournament but my god it's kinda nice to see true colours emerge least i don't hide behind a username and I'm myself!
Some of you need to learn not to judge a book by it's cover and focus on the proper job of building a strong fanbase for the club whats fit for this league!
UP THE DALE |
I for one don't give a toss how you spend your benefits, but please don't whinge about how my taxes don't stretch to buying you a season ticket.
The posts are stuck up? Because they are written in grammatically correct English & you don't agree with them?
You should focus on learning to write properly, it might help you get a job. |  | | |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:20 - Jun 4 with 2776 views | tazzydjr |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:14 - Jun 4 by TVOS1907 |
But tazzydjr is a username, isn't it? |
You know exactly what I mean some people like yourself know who I am beyond this username | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:26 - Jun 4 with 2757 views | TVOS1907 |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:20 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
You know exactly what I mean some people like yourself know who I am beyond this username |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:27 - Jun 4 with 2756 views | nordenblue |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:03 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
Never seen so many stuck up posts on here in a longtime it's like Rochdale is turning into Oldham no wonder people don't want to go through them gates to be judged by holy than thou people!
I understand that some of you are feeling very bitter because i get to do my first ever tournament but my god it's kinda nice to see true colours emerge least i don't hide behind a username and I'm myself!
Some of you need to learn not to judge a book by it's cover and focus on the proper job of building a strong fanbase for the club whats fit for this league!
UP THE DALE |
People couldn't give a rats knacker about you watching a football tournament tazzy its the absolute nonsense ridiculous posts you "contribute" with regard to politics or running a business for example.Im not entirely convinced you're in any position to be of use on either subject. | | | |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:34 - Jun 4 with 2740 views | Rosun |
Chaps.
There's a saying that goes "play the ball, not the man".
We all know Tazzy and we all know that his heart is in the right place for anything that concerns Rochdale AFC.
We all have political opinions. Me, I keep them to myself, but that's because I'm anal and I'm probably in a minority on here. C'est la vie.
Back to the original post ... IF (and that's a big if) we ever got promoted to the Championship then Mr. Dunphy would be the wrong chairman for the football club. It's not a criticism but at that level and even in League One there has to be an air of commercialism / professionalism which we don't have at the moment. We now have have a professional marketing person? I've not noticed the difference. Anyone else?
Take a trip to some of our competitors ... Fleetwood ... Totally professional. Doncaster ... Got the match day experience down to a tee. Morecambe? The next Fleetwood.
We hear stories on the message board about how we should do this and do that. Hopefully the trust can take these concerns and questions to the board and make a difference. [Post edited 4 Jun 2015 22:45]
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:36 - Jun 4 with 2733 views | tazzydjr |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:27 - Jun 4 by nordenblue |
People couldn't give a rats knacker about you watching a football tournament tazzy its the absolute nonsense ridiculous posts you "contribute" with regard to politics or running a business for example.Im not entirely convinced you're in any position to be of use on either subject. |
Nothing wrong with my business mind I'm the guy full of ideas and how to improve productivity back in my college day's I were making loads of money with my business smarts I love how people underestimate me just because my circumstances have changed as stated before never judge a book by its cover [Post edited 4 Jun 2015 22:37]
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:40 - Jun 4 with 2721 views | TVOS1907 |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:36 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
Nothing wrong with my business mind I'm the guy full of ideas and how to improve productivity back in my college day's I were making loads of money with my business smarts I love how people underestimate me just because my circumstances have changed as stated before never judge a book by its cover [Post edited 4 Jun 2015 22:37]
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What were you doing to make loads of money in your college days, Taz? | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:42 - Jun 4 with 2709 views | rochdaleriddler |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 17:37 - Jun 4 by HK_Dale |
All from unbiased sources, I see.
Here is a source of some other statistics: look at overall unemployment since 2010 and GDP since 2010. http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/10604117
The NHS is not going to be entirely privatised but the 1945 model cannot be sustained due to all the reasons discussed previously, by those who are far more informed than me.
No government sets out to intentionally make the lives of the working man worse off, that's all rhetoric. There is nothing to suggest that the stats used below wouldn't have occured in a Labour government - don't forget, they committed to maintain the policy of cuts as well.
It's funny how the left refuse to believe that people actually voted for a Tory government - I'm sure had it been an overwhelming Labour victory, the vitriolic abuse wouldn't have been the same. Voting Tory doesn't make you "heartless scum", no matter how much the left would have you believe. |
voting tory does make you a turd. fact | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:46 - Jun 4 with 2681 views | fitzochris |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:36 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
Nothing wrong with my business mind I'm the guy full of ideas and how to improve productivity back in my college day's I were making loads of money with my business smarts I love how people underestimate me just because my circumstances have changed as stated before never judge a book by its cover [Post edited 4 Jun 2015 22:37]
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I made a bit of money during my college days too, Taz. You know what I did with it? Bought a season ticket. And Graham Barrow was the manager. | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:52 - Jun 4 with 2657 views | rochdaleriddler |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 20:00 - Jun 4 by 49thseason |
Dear Tazzy,
I believe them because they employ professional people to do proper research and produce information that real businesses and governments use to make decisions that impact on millions of people. These business know that getting it wrong comes with a very high cost to everyone concerned consequently they tend not to spend much time engaged with leftards, wasters and away-with -the fairies- types on twitter and the like.
Only in the world of fantasy and conspiracy theories beloved by those who choose to blame others for their inadequacies would anyone doubt statistics produced by ONS.
"The Office for National Statistics (ONS) is the UK’s largest independent producer of official statistics and is the recognised national statistical institute for the UK. It is responsible for collecting and publishing statistics related to the economy, population and society at national, regional and local levels. It also conducts the census in England and Wales every ten years. ONS plays a leading role in national and international good practice in the production of official statistics. It is the executive office of the UK Statistics Authority and although they are separate, they are still closely related."
Politics and business are serious subjects that deserve serious consideration. They require a basic grasp of economics that seems to elude the likes of Gordon McDoom and Edward Balls probably because they have never EVER run a business or had the horror of making real people redundant or attempted to resurrect a failing businesses. They have no concept of how much work goes into making a million pounds of profit much less what the consequences of overspending to the tune of nearly £110 Billion pounds a year are - and if you recognise anything about yourself here, perhaps this would be a good time to engage with subject either by getting a job or at least reading some serious literature on the subject at hand.
Regards 49th |
which business has gideon osbourne run, he failed his maths at school ffs, you tory plonker | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:53 - Jun 4 with 2613 views | TVOS1907 |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:46 - Jun 4 by fitzochris |
I made a bit of money during my college days too, Taz. You know what I did with it? Bought a season ticket. And Graham Barrow was the manager. |
Maybe the club should still charge 1997 prices? | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:54 - Jun 4 with 2604 views | D_Alien |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:42 - Jun 4 by rochdaleriddler |
voting tory does make you a turd. fact |
Turds are real, and without them the soil we grow our food in wouldn't be fertilised.
Nowt wrong with turds, at least they're useful and more importantly, don't pretend to be summat they're not.
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:57 - Jun 4 with 2588 views | fitzochris |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:53 - Jun 4 by TVOS1907 |
Maybe the club should still charge 1997 prices? |
So long as they don't serve up 1997 football. | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 23:12 - Jun 4 with 2548 views | roccydaleian |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 22:34 - Jun 4 by Rosun |
Chaps.
There's a saying that goes "play the ball, not the man".
We all know Tazzy and we all know that his heart is in the right place for anything that concerns Rochdale AFC.
We all have political opinions. Me, I keep them to myself, but that's because I'm anal and I'm probably in a minority on here. C'est la vie.
Back to the original post ... IF (and that's a big if) we ever got promoted to the Championship then Mr. Dunphy would be the wrong chairman for the football club. It's not a criticism but at that level and even in League One there has to be an air of commercialism / professionalism which we don't have at the moment. We now have have a professional marketing person? I've not noticed the difference. Anyone else?
Take a trip to some of our competitors ... Fleetwood ... Totally professional. Doncaster ... Got the match day experience down to a tee. Morecambe? The next Fleetwood.
We hear stories on the message board about how we should do this and do that. Hopefully the trust can take these concerns and questions to the board and make a difference. [Post edited 4 Jun 2015 22:45]
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But we all know you're a mate of Botty, and most people know he wants summatt for nowt.That's he's agenda. He spends more money travelling away, doing ridiculous away day reviews that people say they enjoy, but most know they're secretly taking the piss. Botty needs to grip on the real world.. And yes i know who is and see him regularly pre match at the Club he attends. | | | |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 23:43 - Jun 4 with 2488 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:03 - Jun 4 by tazzydjr |
Never seen so many stuck up posts on here in a longtime it's like Rochdale is turning into Oldham no wonder people don't want to go through them gates to be judged by holy than thou people!
I understand that some of you are feeling very bitter because i get to do my first ever tournament but my god it's kinda nice to see true colours emerge least i don't hide behind a username and I'm myself!
Some of you need to learn not to judge a book by it's cover and focus on the proper job of building a strong fanbase for the club whats fit for this league!
UP THE DALE |
.........says he who moans about the price of a season ticket.
Pay up lad,it's going to be a rollercoaster. | | | |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 10:12 - Jun 5 with 2343 views | 49thseason |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 21:55 - Jun 4 by rochdaleriddler |
well not one to nitpick, but the 'unemployment' figures are not that. they are people out of work, of working age claiming unemployment benefit. so given that job centres are incentivised to remove people from these figures for various nebulous reasons, sickness, and sanctions spring to mind, and given that the economy isnt growing as much as you would expect , your argument is pulled straight from the Daily Mail, and as such is utter crap |
I think you will find that the figures are accurate and the definition of unemployed used is clearly defined. If you choose not to believe the veracity of these figures , perhaps you could provide a set of similar, verified and clearly defined figures that support your argument?
I am not sure why you choose to assume that I have taken these figures from a daily newspaper other than as an attempt to sully my ability to write an accurate account of the situation from figures that are freely available to anyone who cares to take the time to find them.
Of course you need a degree of knowledge and intelligence to interpret them. Perhaps that's why you make the Daily Mail accusation? Is it too difficult for you to imagine that anyone might be able to construct a sensible, coherent argument without help? I often find that when people prefer to cast aspersions rather than deal in facts, it is the case that they do so do because they do not actually have any facts to support their case.
Your final two words reduce your comment to the level of playground name calling and simply prove that you have no viewpoint that can be construed as serious debate. |  | | |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 13:44 - Jun 5 with 2193 views | rochdaleriddler |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 10:12 - Jun 5 by 49thseason |
I think you will find that the figures are accurate and the definition of unemployed used is clearly defined. If you choose not to believe the veracity of these figures , perhaps you could provide a set of similar, verified and clearly defined figures that support your argument?
I am not sure why you choose to assume that I have taken these figures from a daily newspaper other than as an attempt to sully my ability to write an accurate account of the situation from figures that are freely available to anyone who cares to take the time to find them.
Of course you need a degree of knowledge and intelligence to interpret them. Perhaps that's why you make the Daily Mail accusation? Is it too difficult for you to imagine that anyone might be able to construct a sensible, coherent argument without help? I often find that when people prefer to cast aspersions rather than deal in facts, it is the case that they do so do because they do not actually have any facts to support their case.
Your final two words reduce your comment to the level of playground name calling and simply prove that you have no viewpoint that can be construed as serious debate. |
i do not find the figures accurate. I have more than a degree of both knowledge and intelligence. I am a BSc. and if i want to disagree with you i will. There are many people on zero hours contracts, people who have been sanctioned who are part of these remarkable figures, in my job i see people left for weeks at a time with no income.These are the weakest members of our society, who are caught up in this drive to decrease the welfare bill. look out for them soon in your office doorway. By the way the biggest recipients of welfare benefits are the middle class. | |
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| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 13:52 - Jun 5 with 2172 views | HK_Dale |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 13:44 - Jun 5 by rochdaleriddler |
i do not find the figures accurate. I have more than a degree of both knowledge and intelligence. I am a BSc. and if i want to disagree with you i will. There are many people on zero hours contracts, people who have been sanctioned who are part of these remarkable figures, in my job i see people left for weeks at a time with no income.These are the weakest members of our society, who are caught up in this drive to decrease the welfare bill. look out for them soon in your office doorway. By the way the biggest recipients of welfare benefits are the middle class. |
2 points:
1. Don't think anyone has said welfare benefits shouldn't be provided. The argument is more nuanced than that and is about how the finite amount of money in the welfare budget is best distributed.
2. The "weakest" (although that's subjective) in society should be provided for, but to a minimum standard. All others should be looking for work / training opportunities. To offset the "birth lottery", i.e. kids who have no choice where they're born or into what circumstances, the state should provide enough to enable what society deems a basic standard of living. I would argue that the welfare provision in the UK historically and now goes well beyond the "safety net" provision.At worst its a disincentive to work, at best, its at a level where people don't feel the urgent need to be proactive in finding a job / training opportunity. |  | | |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 13:58 - Jun 5 with 2151 views | D_Alien |
| BBC 5 Live Breakfast on 13:52 - Jun 5 by HK_Dale |
2 points:
1. Don't think anyone has said welfare benefits shouldn't be provided. The argument is more nuanced than that and is about how the finite amount of money in the welfare budget is best distributed.
2. The "weakest" (although that's subjective) in society should be provided for, but to a minimum standard. All others should be looking for work / training opportunities. To offset the "birth lottery", i.e. kids who have no choice where they're born or into what circumstances, the state should provide enough to enable what society deems a basic standard of living. I would argue that the welfare provision in the UK historically and now goes well beyond the "safety net" provision.At worst its a disincentive to work, at best, its at a level where people don't feel the urgent need to be proactive in finding a job / training opportunity. |
Hence why thousands of migrants are so desperate to get into the UK they're blocking the channel ports on the French side and risking life and limb in lorries and containers (see today's news).
Our welfare system is a magnet for them. They're not content with political freedom or freedom from harm, they want our benefits. But according to rochdaleriddler, we're such miserly bastards. Something doesn't quite chime with that argument.
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