| what has hoddle brought to the table? 13:02 - Oct 8 with 9937 views | richpr |
Not sure how much influence Hoddle has had but apart from Sunderland our pitiful performances so far haven't shown any signs of organization, togetherness or ability. Confidence is at its lowest - nobody wants the ball, Caulker to Ferdinand, Ferdinand to Traore, Traore to Henry, Henry to Caulker, Caulker to Onouha, Onouha to Krancjar or Austin who lose it. On the back foot again. No pace, no desire. When you look at our signings, they are hardly winners! Caulker and Mutch from relegated Cardiff, Fer from relegated Norwich, Isla and Vargas out of favour at debt-ridden Italian clubs, as for Krancjar who could hardly make our first team last year - then we sign a good keeper to destroy Green's confidence (when is he going to actually stop a goal - thought he should have stopped Man U's first goal and should have come out for WH's first goal). Time for Redknapp, Bond, Jordan, Hoddle, (why Sir Les? - great player but haven't we got enough) to go - lets get in a young manager, younger players with passion and ideas without an entourage of highly paid coaches . Let's start playing some football we can enjoy watching, win or lose - frankly I'm embarrassed to watch the R's in the pub especially when you see other teams like Burnley fighting for their lives on a shoe-string buget. |  | | |  |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 13:28 - Oct 9 with 1847 views | TheBlob |
Well Sir Les had better hit the ground running otherwise you'll be digging him out in the same way as Hoddle.People bang on about not pandering to the short term and then here we are criticising someone for not producing "the goods" straight away.
Watch your back Les. [Post edited 9 Oct 2014 13:29]
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| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 13:34 - Oct 9 with 1835 views | kensalriser |
Les can do one if we don't beat Liverpool. Never liked him much anyway - ran around a bit and scored some goals, big deal. What's he done for us lately? |  |
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| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 14:08 - Oct 9 with 1817 views | daveB |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 12:08 - Oct 9 by PinnerPaul |
Well said, its what I've been trying to say the last few days.
Another manager, another set of new players is not going to solve anything in the medium term.
Maybe no one looks beyond the current season anymore?
As you say ,certainly, despite the fine words, TF doesn't.
Only glimmer of light is appointment of Les F , which I presume you agree IS a step in the right direction, albeit a small one? |
Sadly long term at QPR is the January transfer window so if we stick it will be a new team in january and if we twist it will be a new team in January. I'd give Redknapp a few more games looking at performance over results, if we're still as clueless as we have been recently then change it. |  | | |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 15:01 - Oct 9 with 1775 views | PinnerPaul |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 12:57 - Oct 9 by isawqpratwcity |
horsesh*t, pp and norf.
the manager's job is to decide the squad.
that means composition, ie, buying and selling; and, more importantly, making the squad you've got work: motivation, cohesion, training, fitness and tactics.
the chairman's job is, with the best advice, to appoint the manager, and thereafter appoint best resources in the interest of the club, at the manager's discretion. tony always addressed the best immediate needs of the club.
tell me where tf seriously f*cked up in that. |
"immediate needs of the club" - you've rather proved our points in that one phrase! | | | |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 16:21 - Oct 9 with 1748 views | WestminsteRs |
Having considered this a bit more I think that there is a fundamental problem with communication at the club. I therefore looked up who is responsible for communications. Apparently it's Ian Taylor. Nothing against him personally and may be very good but it probably requires someone thinking a bit more strategically.
I doubt that one person can do all the tweeting, Instagram, Facebook type stuff and also be responsible for an actual strategy. They should be paying attention more to the quality of engagement with their stakeholders, clients and customers than just endlessly pumping out sh1te.
The club needs to actually decide what it wants. Do we want to have a million Twitter followers, win social media innovation awards and have a chairman that SSN wants to interview 10 minutes after the transfer window closes or be a quietly successful team with genuine plans to progress in terms of stadia, facilities, league position?
I appreciate that communications are the tip of the iceberg really but it's indicative. Also, I really am not attaching any blame to any individuals. To counsel long-termism when you're dealing with Fernandes and Redknapp is, I would guess, a pretty impossible task but we just lurch from one cock up to another. The Car Giant fiasco, the training ground, previous "global brand" nonsense - these are all, at heart, comms disasters.
The timing of the Les Ferdinand "appointment" is worrying in that I get the impression it's the club thinking it's really clever timing but having watched the interview it seems as though no one has a clue what he will do, especially as Redknapp when asked about SLF recently scoffed at the suggestion of him having an overarching role.
While we're on the subject, a radical review of the club's communications and engagement should also include players' use of social media and media more generally as well as commercial activities. This has a bearing on the perception of the club - Rio Ferdinand's baseball caps, his book, Barton's tweeting. It all plays into an image of a club that doesn't know what it wants to be, if anything at all. |  | | |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 16:33 - Oct 9 with 1739 views | daveB |
the clubs communications on twitter, the website etc is one of the only things the club does well. | | | |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 17:03 - Oct 9 with 1723 views | BklynRanger |
I can't disagree with any of that, Dave. But I still don't see how anyone can draw a direct line of causality from all of those very fair points on the planning and structure of the club to our criminally lacklustre performances this season (and most of last season).
To me, those are all things that should be happening or have already happened, and maybe Les's appointment really is the first, long overdue step in that direction.
But I still don't see how neither Hughes nor Redknapp haven't been given a decent opportunity to have things work on the pitch. Ok, you can say that HR inherited a total mess, but even with the re-opening of the checque book and quarantineing of others he still wasn't even close to keeping us up. And, except for the McLaren phase, he's been gash ever since!
I just don't see it as being all interconnected - some of it is and some of it isn't. If you see what I mean....
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| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 17:39 - Oct 9 with 1699 views | daveB |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 17:03 - Oct 9 by BklynRanger |
I can't disagree with any of that, Dave. But I still don't see how anyone can draw a direct line of causality from all of those very fair points on the planning and structure of the club to our criminally lacklustre performances this season (and most of last season).
To me, those are all things that should be happening or have already happened, and maybe Les's appointment really is the first, long overdue step in that direction.
But I still don't see how neither Hughes nor Redknapp haven't been given a decent opportunity to have things work on the pitch. Ok, you can say that HR inherited a total mess, but even with the re-opening of the checque book and quarantineing of others he still wasn't even close to keeping us up. And, except for the McLaren phase, he's been gash ever since!
I just don't see it as being all interconnected - some of it is and some of it isn't. If you see what I mean....
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even with the current set up I think Hughes and Redknapp could have done a lot better but for it to work with the next fella I think we need to put things in place to give the club a better chance | | | |
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| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 17:41 - Oct 9 with 1699 views | OldPedro |
"But I still don't see how neither Hughes nor Redknapp haven't been given a decent opportunity to have things work on the pitch. Ok, you can say that HR inherited a total mess, but even with the re-opening of the checque book and quarantineing of others he still wasn't even close to keeping us up. And, except for the McLaren phase, he's been gash ever since! "
Surely that McLaren phase shows that with the right coaching we can have a team where everyone knows what they are doing, we are competitive and actually win a few games. Such a pity that he went to Derby. |  |
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| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 22:50 - Oct 10 with 1602 views | derbyhoop |
Off the pitch, the fiascos over Warren Farm and Old Oak do not look good for the Board. Warren Farm is unfortunate although NIMBYism was probably predictable. The premature announcements over Old Oak ahead of agreements with existing landowners are an object lesson in how not to conduct negotiations. When you add the deteriorating financial position it's not a good record.
On the field the current problems seem to stem from Redknapp's apparent lack of interest. Good signings in the Summer haven't gelled and the selection and tactics are distinctly odd. The pursuit of high profile managers is at odds with the type of club we are.
I don't, at this stage, think a change of manager is likely to make any difference. But why anybody suggested an additional contract is beyond me. Redknapp's contract is up at the end of the season and that presents a fantastic opportunity to search for a manager who can drive the whole club forward. Sir Les may be the first step down that path. |  |
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| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 23:45 - Oct 10 with 1588 views | SpiritofGregory |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 16:09 - Oct 8 by Northernr |
It's a strange one this. Glenn Hoddle comes in, vastly experienced former national team manager, been running a successful academy in Spain for ten years so knows a thing or two about player development etc. No noticeable difference made - we're still crap.
Mark Hughes, decent jobs done at several other clubs of our size, comes in with more backroom staff than we could fit on the team bus. No noticeable difference made.
Harry Redknapp, very experienced etc etc no noticeable difference made.
We sign and sell up to a dozen players every transfer window and the same problems persist.
Now I think Harry should go. He's blatantly not interested, and neither is his team. Our best chance to survive this year is through new manager bounce. This group of players is a lot better than it's showing. I don't accept we made poor summer signings - Ferdinand and Isla apart I liked all of them. But if we do sack him, we'll probably be in the same position again in 12 months.
Sooner or later surely QPR fans have to be asking some serious questions of Tony Fernandes, Phil Beard and Mark Donnelly. They're the constants in all of this. Managers and players are coming and going and the team remains poor, with a poor attitude. We're still not graduating youth players. We're still losing money.
They're the absolute prime example of the importance of PR in modern society. If you're well PR'd, you can get away with all sorts. Flavio Briatore saved the club from far greater peril than Tony Fernandes did, but because he didn't care about what we thought and openly stated that people turned on him.
The team is still crap, the atmosphere is crap, the Lower Loft situation is ridiculous and has been foisted upon supporters by management with no experience or knowledge of our club, supporters who'll be here long after they've gone. The tickets are extortionate, the club has £160m of debt that wasn't there before, the atmosphere is diabolical. The training ground was meant to be open by now, hasn't happened. The new stadium seems to rest entirely on a strategy of "we're a football club so get out of our way" because they fcked up the initial negotiations with Car Giant.
And yet it's still 'Uncle Tony' and everything can still be solved by a new manager and some new players. Fulham Chronicle yesterday "QPR need new players, but how many?" NONE. Stop signing fcking players all the time. Best defence in the Championship last season and none of them currently get picked! Replace Dunne with Caulker and leave it alone. No way would a back four of Simpson Onuoha Caulker and YSY/Hill be doing any worse than the current set up. No way.
What Fernandes doesn't seem to have grasped is that his Air Asia baseball cap would look much better on SSN atop somebody running a club sensibly and successfully, than chasing around after fcking celebrity footballers.
It's the way the club is run that's the constant problem, not Harry or Hughes or whoever comes next.
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QPR need to ask Southampton about their academy, scouting system, transfer policy and criteria for choosing managers. They lost half their team and manager yet they are not struggling like we are.
I don't understand why the board at Rangers keep on making the same mistakes.
Aren't you supposed to learn from your mistakes? |  | | |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 19:31 - Oct 11 with 1539 views | PunteR |
Knife and fork? |  |
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| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 20:36 - Oct 11 with 1519 views | WatfordR |
| what has hoddle brought to the table? on 14:08 - Oct 9 by daveB |
Sadly long term at QPR is the January transfer window so if we stick it will be a new team in january and if we twist it will be a new team in January. I'd give Redknapp a few more games looking at performance over results, if we're still as clueless as we have been recently then change it. |
We have been clueless for much longer than "recently".
With McLaren here, although the standard of football wasnt good, the clean sheets were evidence of some organisation. The football has been relentlessly dreadful since he went, and clearly a result of a complete absence of anything that could be described as coaching fit for purpose. |  | | |
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