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All this talk of halal meat not being labeled as such. What are your thoughts on the subject, personally I think it's f*cking disgusting, the thought of some religious guy chanting to Allah before slitting the throat of an animal I will be eating doesn't seem right to me. Bloody hell this country is being dragged back into the dark ages, why do we not just ban this inhuman ritualistic slaughtering like many other European countries have done ? Companies like Pizza Express and the like are a f*cking disgrace. At least those companies have come out and admitted that the meat they serve is halal, which gives me the choice of never ever eating there, unfortunately many other companies choose not to disclose the fact that their meat is halal, taking away my right of choice. Anyway it's just my opinion, what' yours ?
Are the supermarketss using halal meat to satisfy a minority or because as you correctly point out supermarkets want to make a profit and can see that they can increase their potential market by around 5% without increasing their costs?
Isn't it both?
It's cheaper to stock one particular type of meat than two? That is partly the reason why this has flown under the radar and been snuck in by many.
And we're Swaaaaanseeeea Ciiiityyyy! Swaaaansseeeaaa Ciiiityyy F C!
We're not necessarily the greatest team in football, the world has ever seen (but we're possibly the most honest and resilient).
- On behalf of The Campaign For Realistic Crowd Chanting
Difficult one for me as a vegetarian who unfortunately sees Islam as the future of a conquered and bloody Europe. We'll I doubt there'll be any need for bloodshed due to our pusillanimity dressed up as tolerance.
But... I have to agree with exiledclaseboy and others that meat eaters have zero moral force on this issue.
I just don't know why we assume the right to do unspeakably cruel things to animals for luxury?
It's just might is right and what are they gonna do about it?
In my view (and who the f@ck am I obviously etc etc) but if you contribute to the suffering of those weaker than you don't ever have the gall to complain if a person or persons bigger, stronger and more intelligent than you decides to hurt you and yours. Live by the sword...
The orthodox are always orthodox, regardless of the orthodoxy.
Difficult one for me as a vegetarian who unfortunately sees Islam as the future of a conquered and bloody Europe. We'll I doubt there'll be any need for bloodshed due to our pusillanimity dressed up as tolerance.
But... I have to agree with exiledclaseboy and others that meat eaters have zero moral force on this issue.
I just don't know why we assume the right to do unspeakably cruel things to animals for luxury?
It's just might is right and what are they gonna do about it?
In my view (and who the f@ck am I obviously etc etc) but if you contribute to the suffering of those weaker than you don't ever have the gall to complain if a person or persons bigger, stronger and more intelligent than you decides to hurt you and yours. Live by the sword...
Read this if you really want to depress yourself as each principle falls without so much as a whimper.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Don't get me wrong - I dislike the methods used by battery farms too. However, they freely admit this is due to cost and people do unfortunately object to paying extra for free range.
Religion however is a lifestyle choice (and may I add, one that is commonly pushed on to kids at an early age and before the ability to fully judge and reason has been obtained).
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Lol
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
Just had an appointment in PT hospital and thought I'd take a trip down memory lane and have a spin round the Sandfields as I hadn't been down the front since my Nan died in the late 80's. I must say the front looked lovely with a couple of nicely designed chippies/cafés and I saw that cinnamon place. Very tempted to give a whirl one night. Is it expensive Max? Going back to Aberavon seafront and it's cafés I wonder why Swansea can't have more of these? My relatives owned the cafés on stilts that used to be there before the 60's and while it would be difficult to build those up again a couple of restaurants would provide a nice view for those inside dining.
Because the people that run Swansea planning are utter buffoons.
I've seen the halal method of slaughter live. Was stood about 6 feet away from the whole thing actually. It's pretty gruesome so is the killing of any living creature. The animal in question was a goat. Lovely animal. I was only a young lad at the time so spent a lot of time in the fields playing around with it and feeding it. I was oblivious as to what was going to happen and had I known I probably wouldn't have developed such a bond with it.
The actual process of killing went as follows. The goat was taken away from his pack and around the corner. He was then restrained, and had his limbs tied together to prevent him from escaping. The poor was distraught at this point but he was tied up quickly and without any physical force. Within a matter of seconds the butcher whips out a gigantic knife, adjusts the goat's neck and locates the jugular vein. Slice. It's done. Literally within the blink of an eye. He's then left to hang upside down from a tree as the blood drains from his body. I wasn't actually watching. I had my eyes closed. But the goat went from wailing to deathly silent in a matter of milliseconds.
It was quite brutal and it's unrealistic to expect this method to maintain any degree of care for animal welfare when on a commercial scale. I can see the logic behind the method though especially in simpler times before the mass killing machines we have in slaughter houses now. Looking back that goat was lucky. The end of his life brilliant compared to a slaughterhouse animal. He had freedom to roam in fields. Was well fed with organic food and even had some nice human interaction. They believe it's the most sacred way for an animal to die. Not something I believe in but a nice thought nonetheless.
Fast forward about three hours and I'm served a plate of rice with chunks of goat meat. I couldn't eat it. Ran out the room crying my eyes out. Haven't eaten goat since.
Ever since my son was... never conceived, because I've never had consensual sex without money involved... I've always kind of looked at you as... a thing, that I could live next to... in accordance with state laws.
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