| Romanians coming to Britain.. 19:51 - Nov 13 with 11950 views | KeyserSoze |
There has been a lot said on here about personal arguments and a lack of debate, so I thought i'd start a thread on something that hopefully people have insightful opinions and differing views on.
So, with Romanians gaining easier access to the UK and the same rights to the NHS etc as other EU countries in January, what impact do you think this will have on the UK?
I personally think it is a bad idea.
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 23:42 - Nov 13 with 3582 views | Darran |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 23:40 - Nov 13 by Lord_Bony |
Oh yes 9s&10s abound...apart from the fortune teller types of course... |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 00:12 - Nov 14 with 3564 views | jackharris |
This lovely lady is taking over Richard's the hairdressers on West Street, Kings bridge.
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 06:35 - Nov 14 with 3502 views | dgt73 |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 20:28 - Nov 13 by exiledclaseboy |
Well no it's not that simple because they'll be coming here to work and mostly do the sub-minimum wage jobs Brits don't want. It's largely another myth that most of eastern Europe is here to leech or benefits system. |
Bollocks. And who used to do these jobe before. No one wants these people in the country end of. Sooner we leave the E U the better. |  |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 06:56 - Nov 14 with 3497 views | epaul |
According to that f*cking cretin Nigel Farage 29 million Romainians and bulgarians are coming, what a tool. I'm with clasey on this, they will come and do the jobs the lazy brits wont do who prefer to get benefits |  |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 07:39 - Nov 14 with 3485 views | Dr_Winston |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 06:56 - Nov 14 by epaul |
According to that f*cking cretin Nigel Farage 29 million Romainians and bulgarians are coming, what a tool. I'm with clasey on this, they will come and do the jobs the lazy brits wont do who prefer to get benefits |
Increasing the supply of labour when there is already a surplus is absolute lunacy.
What will happen to all the Eastern Europeans who already came here to do the jobs the "lazy brits" won't do? Will they say fair cop and then head home? Or will they hang around and sign on? (which most of them legally can do now). Shouldn't the "lazy brits" be made to do the jobs and thus negate the need to flood the labour market at all?
There should be certain requirements made of anyone relocating to the UK. English language skills for a start. A trade or profession for another. The ability to support themselves and any family members they choose to bring with them (including private healthcare) for a period of at least a year would also be on my list. |  |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 08:06 - Nov 14 with 3475 views | Shaky |
1. Rumania or for that matter Bulgaria should never have been allowed into the EU. They are largely agrarian economies a loooooong way off economic convergence with even the the average new entrant from the Eastern European countries.
2. The most typical migrants tend to be the brightest and best, well educated and highly motivated. Practically all serious studies indicate that they are a net benefit to inward bound economies.
3. Unfortunately Britain is likely to get the wost qualified of the migrants because it is by the large a shit hole.
Any self respecting Rumanian or Bulgarian farm worker would almost certainly much rather go to Germany, and it is typical of the jingoistic delusion of the nationalist right in this country that they genuinely believe these people are desperate to come to god's own paradise on earth that is the British Isles. |  |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 08:25 - Nov 14 with 3462 views | ItchySphincter |
Nothing we can do about. The days of choice are over. It would be great if we could close the doors on economic migrants for a few years, but we can't. [Post edited 14 Nov 2013 8:29]
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 11:47 - Nov 14 with 3418 views | Lord_Bony |
I travel to Bulgaria a lot and I can tell you the people there did not want to join.it was their government who pushed for it so they could get Eu loans. The problem is the money for road projects,hospitals etc stayed at the top .
Many protests in Sophia ,cost of living has doubled.
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 13:47 - Nov 14 with 3394 views | The12thmancave |
Has anyone been in the city centre lately? They are already here and they are selling the Big Issue. |  | | |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 00:42 - Nov 15 with 3347 views | Lohengrin |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 20:07 - Nov 13 by exiledclaseboy |
I heard on the radio the other week that the amount of Bulgarians and Romanians who actually have any intention of coming here is nowhere near the hype. I can't remember the source though. |
Can't remember the source? Let's just hope for the sake of sanity it was nobody connected to Labour given their previous predictions on eastern European migration! |  |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 00:49 - Nov 15 with 3345 views | Lohengrin |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 21:15 - Nov 13 by exiledclaseboy |
Heaping up our own funeral pyre... |
Watching Sky Arts tonight, Clase, a programme called "You must remember this." Britain in the last war: troop footage interspersed with music of the '40s.
You know what I'm going to say next....so I won't. The valedictory nature of the images said it all. | |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 08:56 - Nov 15 with 3303 views | 3swan |
I’ve read a few things about the subject (not extensively) including the comment from Farage about 29Million etc.
The problem is that most have a bias one way or another and use words accordingly.
Potential of 29m, potential yes, if everyone comes here, although I’ve read that the total population of those countries is 27.5 million. Again I’ve read that most people from these countries tend to go to Germany, Italy, France & Spain.
There was a report, last couple of weeks? that immigration has resulted as a plus taxes v benefits? What about the knock on affect of benefits being claimed by other uk nationals not getting those jobs.
Each statement on it’s own will have some merit but as I said will have a bias and there is never a balanced viewpoint.
The whole picture is not looked at, but logic says that if we have more people in this country, by immigration or birth, without the infrastructure and employment to go with it then there will be problems.
In the short term these problems will be evident but long term? The extra skills may help boost the country and employment rates.
History and trends can be looked at but in the end no-one can guarantee the numbers or affect. | | | |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 09:35 - Nov 15 with 3283 views | Clinton |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 13:47 - Nov 14 by The12thmancave |
Has anyone been in the city centre lately? They are already here and they are selling the Big Issue. |
the same in Uplands, the Big Issue seller replaced with monosyllabic curmudgeonly East Europeans.
Obviously by introducing this new pool of labour, the previous Big Issue sellers are freed up for more rewarding and better paid work? ....thought not. |  |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:08 - Nov 15 with 3263 views | _ |
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in the hands of nationalistic folk with little understanding of the multitude of complexities that go into every decision made at the very highest levels.
I'm not professing to have the answers and regarding any sort of influx from a migrant workforce, then there will always be pros and cons. There will inevitably be occasions when the pros and cons affect us as individuals but there is clearly some agenda driven misinformed reactionists within this thread that fit the description I made above.
For anyone to truly comment on a situation like this you'd need to firstly understand every single reason behind political decisions that not only affect constituencies and regions but also a collective of nations. Without fully understanding the economic and social intricacies of populations at large, instead of just a feeling of personal misgiving, then you're left with nothing more than misguided rants based on the usual prejudice we often hear from the usual suspects when it comes to do with race and nationalism.
I've lived and worked in the EU, I've benefitted from being able to my passport there.
I've also benefitted from our NHS and been treated by a 'migrant worker' medically, I've also been able to wash my hands in a clean toilet that was made that way, by, guess what, another 'migrant worker'.
It's easy to say get the lazy Brits to do that, they won't, they don't need to, but that's another debate altogether. |  |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:25 - Nov 15 with 3246 views | epaul |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:08 - Nov 15 by _ |
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in the hands of nationalistic folk with little understanding of the multitude of complexities that go into every decision made at the very highest levels.
I'm not professing to have the answers and regarding any sort of influx from a migrant workforce, then there will always be pros and cons. There will inevitably be occasions when the pros and cons affect us as individuals but there is clearly some agenda driven misinformed reactionists within this thread that fit the description I made above.
For anyone to truly comment on a situation like this you'd need to firstly understand every single reason behind political decisions that not only affect constituencies and regions but also a collective of nations. Without fully understanding the economic and social intricacies of populations at large, instead of just a feeling of personal misgiving, then you're left with nothing more than misguided rants based on the usual prejudice we often hear from the usual suspects when it comes to do with race and nationalism.
I've lived and worked in the EU, I've benefitted from being able to my passport there.
I've also benefitted from our NHS and been treated by a 'migrant worker' medically, I've also been able to wash my hands in a clean toilet that was made that way, by, guess what, another 'migrant worker'.
It's easy to say get the lazy Brits to do that, they won't, they don't need to, but that's another debate altogether. |
Very well put Chris | |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:26 - Nov 15 with 3243 views | Lohengrin |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:08 - Nov 15 by _ |
A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, especially in the hands of nationalistic folk with little understanding of the multitude of complexities that go into every decision made at the very highest levels.
I'm not professing to have the answers and regarding any sort of influx from a migrant workforce, then there will always be pros and cons. There will inevitably be occasions when the pros and cons affect us as individuals but there is clearly some agenda driven misinformed reactionists within this thread that fit the description I made above.
For anyone to truly comment on a situation like this you'd need to firstly understand every single reason behind political decisions that not only affect constituencies and regions but also a collective of nations. Without fully understanding the economic and social intricacies of populations at large, instead of just a feeling of personal misgiving, then you're left with nothing more than misguided rants based on the usual prejudice we often hear from the usual suspects when it comes to do with race and nationalism.
I've lived and worked in the EU, I've benefitted from being able to my passport there.
I've also benefitted from our NHS and been treated by a 'migrant worker' medically, I've also been able to wash my hands in a clean toilet that was made that way, by, guess what, another 'migrant worker'.
It's easy to say get the lazy Brits to do that, they won't, they don't need to, but that's another debate altogether. |
Go to Google and do a quick search on the average number of applicants per vacancy in the UK now. Ignore any links to The Mail, The Guardian or similarly partisan media and just scan the articles by independent Industrial and Financial commentators. Read them and come back and try to construct a viable argument as to the advisability of continued immigration.
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:35 - Nov 15 with 3231 views | Lord_Bony |
Can someone tell me then why do we encourage nations like Bulgaria,Romania,Latvia etc to recently join the EU club and then when they join we slag them off and moan.
We re also free to live and work in their countries.
Feck me I ve been all over Bulgaria and I can confidently say their standard of living in some of these places is far higher than most of the UK!
For any Bulgarian to leave the beautiful resort areas on the Black Sea like Varna or Bourgas or the ski ing areas of Bansko or any of the big cities is beyond comprehension!
The climate there is beautiful,fresh fruit and veg are virtually given away. The cost of living is about one fifth of the UK and it s dry and sunny a lot of the year round.
Yeah like give all that up to come and live on this cold,wet,over crowded island and be looked down on in life constantly?
I don t think there'd be to many takers there somehow.
But what EU membership gives them is the freedom to live and work anywhere in Europe.
There s a lot nicer places to live than the UK ffs. [Post edited 15 Nov 2013 11:32]
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:38 - Nov 15 with 3229 views | Clinton |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:25 - Nov 15 by epaul |
Very well put Chris |
Agreed, one of the most thoughtful posts I've read on 'Planet of the Swans' recently. | |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:40 - Nov 15 with 3218 views | Clinton |
I was commenting on T2C a post but failed to include his comments. My mistake | |
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With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:41 - Nov 15 with 3214 views | Lord_Bony |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:38 - Nov 15 by Clinton |
Agreed, one of the most thoughtful posts I've read on 'Planet of the Swans' recently. |
Agreed | |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 11:30 - Nov 15 with 3184 views | Lohengrin |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 10:35 - Nov 15 by Lord_Bony |
Can someone tell me then why do we encourage nations like Bulgaria,Romania,Latvia etc to recently join the EU club and then when they join we slag them off and moan.
We re also free to live and work in their countries.
Feck me I ve been all over Bulgaria and I can confidently say their standard of living in some of these places is far higher than most of the UK!
For any Bulgarian to leave the beautiful resort areas on the Black Sea like Varna or Bourgas or the ski ing areas of Bansko or any of the big cities is beyond comprehension!
The climate there is beautiful,fresh fruit and veg are virtually given away. The cost of living is about one fifth of the UK and it s dry and sunny a lot of the year round.
Yeah like give all that up to come and live on this cold,wet,over crowded island and be looked down on in life constantly?
I don t think there'd be to many takers there somehow.
But what EU membership gives them is the freedom to live and work anywhere in Europe.
There s a lot nicer places to live than the UK ffs. [Post edited 15 Nov 2013 11:32]
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I'm unsure as to who the "we" are you make reference to? It's crystal clear as to why the large corporations want to expand the boundaries of Europe eastward. Sovereign nations stand in the way of the rapid movement of capital. It's that simple. A drive east would also provide ready access to a vastly enlarged pool of cheap, unorganised labour. The likelihood of even more factory closures in The UK is as prescient as the possibility of another wave of mass immigration. | |
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 11:40 - Nov 15 with 3177 views | Lord_Bony |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 11:30 - Nov 15 by Lohengrin |
I'm unsure as to who the "we" are you make reference to? It's crystal clear as to why the large corporations want to expand the boundaries of Europe eastward. Sovereign nations stand in the way of the rapid movement of capital. It's that simple. A drive east would also provide ready access to a vastly enlarged pool of cheap, unorganised labour. The likelihood of even more factory closures in The UK is as prescient as the possibility of another wave of mass immigration. |
"we" being the government we elect that implements the policies of the consensus of population of the UK.
If we don t like the EU then don t vote for it.
Yes we are keen to expand eastwards for all sorts of reasons,the Russians don t like it.
The next country to join the EU shortly will be. Ta ta dah dah.........
UKRAINE
Now that is a big feckin country.... [Post edited 15 Nov 2013 11:50]
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| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 13:09 - Nov 15 with 3144 views | Flashberryjack |
| Romanians coming to Britain.. on 21:10 - Nov 13 by JacksawayatWalesgame |
We are sleep walking into the abyss. |
We certainly are my friend.
The whole fabric of this country is being ripped to f*cking pieces. |  |
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