| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % 17:06 - Sep 8 with 4062 views | Jackfath |
Liverpool - Brendan Rogers - 41.63%
Chelsea - Jose Mourinho - 67.61%
Man City - Manuel Pellegrini - 49.72%
Arsenal - Arsene Wenger - 53.62%
Stoke - Mark Hughes - 39.74%
Tottenham - Andre Villas Boas - 58.82%
ManU - David Moyes - 44.05%
West Ham - Sam Allerdyce - 40.14%
Norwich - Chris Hughton - 43.15%
Southampton - Mauricio Pochettino - 32.6%
Cardiff - Malky Mckay - 40.38%
Newcastle - Alan Pardew - 42.42%
Villa - Paul Lambert - 41.60%
Palace - Ian Holloway - 37.76%
Everton - Roberto Martinez - 38.58%
Swansea - Michael Laudrup - 45.85%
Fulham - Martin Jol - 45.27%
Hull - Steve Bruce - 37.62%
Sunderland - Paolo Di Canio - 53.77%
West Brom - Steve Clarke - 34.04%
SAF - 58.14%
Woy Hodgson - 43.24%
Chris Coleman - 32.94%
The percentage represents the Win% of the managers career. Look who is bottom of the pile. |  |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 17:47 - Sep 8 with 4009 views | Jackinthebox |
Pochettino's still young. |  | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 18:43 - Sep 8 with 3917 views | 1983 |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 18:48 - Sep 8 with 3900 views | orion3016 |
Mourinho almost 10% better than fergie! |  |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 18:53 - Sep 8 with 3874 views | wr72 |
Not a lot to go on there really.If Laudrup was first then maybe worth a read and something to absorb.But as it is there's nothing much of interest there.Sorry Fath,not having a dig. |  | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 18:54 - Sep 8 with 3859 views | Jackfath |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 18:53 - Sep 8 by wr72 |
Not a lot to go on there really.If Laudrup was first then maybe worth a read and something to absorb.But as it is there's nothing much of interest there.Sorry Fath,not having a dig. |
Not even to highlight that CC is not even in the range of %s for a decent premiership manager? | |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 18:58 - Sep 8 with 3846 views | wr72 |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 18:54 - Sep 8 by Jackfath |
Not even to highlight that CC is not even in the range of %s for a decent premiership manager? |
Yes there is that but it's what i expected.I think he should be sacked after this campaign,not before,as we need the seeding points and a new manager might come in and going by past campaigns we could bomb and finish bottom of the group.At least with the Coleman there's a touch of continuity there. [Post edited 8 Sep 2013 18:59]
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:24 - Sep 8 with 3786 views | trolley_jack |
Put Jose Mourinho in charge at Stoke or Hull see how good the chopsy fecker is then. |  | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:39 - Sep 8 with 3749 views | Plasticman |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:24 - Sep 8 by trolley_jack |
Put Jose Mourinho in charge at Stoke or Hull see how good the chopsy fecker is then. |
I couldn't help but think the same thing. Looking at pure win% and using it as a gauge to determine who is the 'better' manager is fallible at best. There are so many factors involved, not the least of which teams the person in question actually managed during those times.
Take Laudrup. Aside from his stint in Brøndby where his team were considered one of the top2 teams in its league, all the teams he has managed has been about trying to beat the odds to get good results.
Looking at SAF and Mour, from what little I know of them, they spent most of their time at clubs where odds where with them in most matches, as opposed to against them.
Win% by itself is as silly a stat as they come and tells literally nothing of value about the manager in question. |  |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:43 - Sep 8 with 3732 views | Jackfath |
Those are the FACTS, stats dont lie. | |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:44 - Sep 8 with 3728 views | 2face |
This is how it looks sorted:
Chelsea - Jose Mourinho - 67.61%Â
Tottenham - Andre Villas Boas - 58.82%Â
SAF - 58.14%Â
Sunderland - Paolo Di Canio - 53.77%Â
Arsenal - Arsene Wenger - 53.62%Â
Man City - Manuel Pellegrini - 49.72%Â
Swansea - Michael Laudrup - 45.85%Â
Fulham - Martin Jol - 45.27%Â
ManU - David Moyes - 44.05%Â
Woy Hodgson - 43.24%Â
Norwich - Chris Hughton - 43.15%Â
Newcastle - Alan Pardew - 42.42%
Liverpool - Brendan Rogers - 41.63%Â
Villa - Paul Lambert - 41.60%Â
Cardiff - Malky Mckay - 40.38%Â
West Ham - Sam Allerdyce - 40.14%Â
Stoke - Mark Hughes - 39.74%Â
Everton - Roberto Martinez - 38.58%Â
Palace - Ian Holloway - 37.76%Â
Hull - Steve Bruce - 37.62%Â
West Brom - Steve Clarke - 34.04%Â
Chris Coleman - 32.94%Â
Southampton - Mauricio Pochettino - 32.6%Â | | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:49 - Sep 8 with 3702 views | trolley_jack |
Stats dont lie, but they dont tell the true story. | | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 20:18 - Sep 8 with 3667 views | Plasticman |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:43 - Sep 8 by Jackfath |
Those are the FACTS, stats dont lie. |
But how people use them can be factually determined as a lie.
Words and numbers by themselves don't lie. It's how people interpret them that can be conceived of as a lie.
And anyone trying to claim win% is a meaningfull stat to determine how good a manager is, are lying.
It's just as meaningfull a stat as the amount of times a person wears a suit in that regard. | |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 11:21 - Sep 9 with 3394 views | Tycoch_Tyrant |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 20:18 - Sep 8 by Plasticman |
But how people use them can be factually determined as a lie.
Words and numbers by themselves don't lie. It's how people interpret them that can be conceived of as a lie.
And anyone trying to claim win% is a meaningfull stat to determine how good a manager is, are lying.
It's just as meaningfull a stat as the amount of times a person wears a suit in that regard. |
It would be interesting to see a breakdown by number of competitive games managed, and in how many clubs/nations - that way you could get a much more meaningful picture. For example with mourinho and AVB having higher win percentages than SAF, forgetting that mourinho hasn't been managing even a third of the time SAF has, and AVB even less | | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 12:47 - Sep 9 with 3350 views | JBT95 |
ML 45%? Yet we didn't win a 1/3 of our games last season! He must have down great jobs elsewhere. [Post edited 9 Sep 2013 12:48]
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 12:52 - Sep 9 with 3340 views | Tycoch_Tyrant |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 12:47 - Sep 9 by JBT95 |
ML 45%? Yet we didn't win a 1/3 of our games last season! He must have down great jobs elsewhere. [Post edited 9 Sep 2013 12:48]
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We won 40% of our matches last season... | | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 17:28 - Sep 9 with 3212 views | JackFish |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 12:52 - Sep 9 by Tycoch_Tyrant |
We won 40% of our matches last season... |
29% in the Prem... [Post edited 9 Sep 2013 17:28]
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:01 - Sep 9 with 3140 views | Tycoch_Tyrant |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 17:28 - Sep 9 by JackFish |
29% in the Prem... [Post edited 9 Sep 2013 17:28]
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But 40% overall, like the scores mentioned above, yes? I'm sure nearly every manager's total mentioned would go down if you exclude the (relatively) easier wins in friendlies, FA cup, league cup and early round europa/CL | | | |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 20:31 - Sep 9 with 3078 views | monmouth |
Can't have it both ways though, if you believe any of that s**t you must believe that Di Facisto is one of the best managers in the list. Stats eh? |  |
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| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 22:01 - Sep 9 with 3033 views | SASWANSEA |
| Premiership and other Managers total managerial % on 19:24 - Sep 8 by trolley_jack |
Put Jose Mourinho in charge at Stoke or Hull see how good the chopsy fecker is then. |
His win % has always been at an astonishingly high level at every club he's been at. Be it a minnow Portuguese team no one has ever heard of or the biggest club in the world Real Madrid.
If people for one minute don't think he could 'hack it' at a club like Stoke (who have spent circa £115m since they've been in the PL, that equates to just under £20m net spend per season) then they're seriously confused. He'd lead them to consistent top 8 finishes.as an absolute minimum. The guy is a genius when it comes to football management, | | | |
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