| Hillys worst game ever here? 21:39 - Feb 26 with 13521 views | olympicdale |
Taking in to account the oposition, cant be many worse, absolutely toothless up front without Grant. Tutte is just running down his contract, JK was the only one to show any desire to change the game. Credit to Accy they deserved the win. |  |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 00:00 - Feb 27 with 1752 views | StAnnesDale |
Think Tutte has too often flattered to deceivel in central midfield. Accelerates a bit but stops when reaches an oppostion and passes square too often. Has never put a killer ball to a forward in 2 years from central midfield to my knowledge. Not a bad player because he has a bit of pace, is mobile, and seldom hides, and this season has scored a few, but not a star player by any means.
When out on the wing, he has done well. One against one he can get to the by-line and put a decent cross over due to his acceleration over 2-5 yards Has created a couple of goals that way. That is his strength but he does not like to be wide judging from how often he drifts back to central midfield. |  | | |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 00:01 - Feb 27 with 1735 views | NotEyreClue |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 23:55 - Feb 26 by sweetcorn |
Because the original poster was olympicdale and theres more chance of hell freezing over than him criticising grimes.
"Grimes' biggest let down is that his team mates aren't on the same wavelength, when it comes to his one touch balls and his movement, and it can appear he's messed it up, but in reality they just haven't seen what he has."
You have outdone yourself here. What was his excuse whilst at city and millwall, where they not good enough either? Perhaps this lad should be plying his trade at Barcelona, the only club with the passing ability to allow him to live up to his potential. Funny that, because when he scored like 6 goals in a short time, they were good enough and grimes was our best player, but now the players and up to it and you're producing the good old, 'we'll see a different grimes next year', I heard that last year and the only thing i want to see of grimes now is the back of him, hes consistantly been a let down from day one. |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 00:13 - Feb 27 with 1714 views | roccydaleian |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 23:55 - Feb 26 by sweetcorn |
Because the original poster was olympicdale and theres more chance of hell freezing over than him criticising grimes.
"Grimes' biggest let down is that his team mates aren't on the same wavelength, when it comes to his one touch balls and his movement, and it can appear he's messed it up, but in reality they just haven't seen what he has."
You have outdone yourself here. What was his excuse whilst at city and millwall, where they not good enough either? Perhaps this lad should be plying his trade at Barcelona, the only club with the passing ability to allow him to live up to his potential. Funny that, because when he scored like 6 goals in a short time, they were good enough and grimes was our best player, but now the players and up to it and you're producing the good old, 'we'll see a different grimes next year', I heard that last year and the only thing i want to see of grimes now is the back of him, hes consistantly been a let down from day one. |
Well then, apart from Grant. Who is better? By the way Tazzy sends his love to you, on the Amber and Black forum.  |  | | |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 00:27 - Feb 27 with 1697 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 22:52 - Feb 26 by batman |
Watching The Dale is like smoking.
its a habit,,, don't know why you do it, nothing good comes of it
in fact it's harmful(to your sanity) BUT you keep on doing it.
And those who don't do it, can't understand your addiction
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 01:17 - Feb 27 with 1672 views | olympicdale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 23:55 - Feb 26 by sweetcorn |
Because the original poster was olympicdale and theres more chance of hell freezing over than him criticising grimes.
"Grimes' biggest let down is that his team mates aren't on the same wavelength, when it comes to his one touch balls and his movement, and it can appear he's messed it up, but in reality they just haven't seen what he has."
You have outdone yourself here. What was his excuse whilst at city and millwall, where they not good enough either? Perhaps this lad should be plying his trade at Barcelona, the only club with the passing ability to allow him to live up to his potential. Funny that, because when he scored like 6 goals in a short time, they were good enough and grimes was our best player, but now the players and up to it and you're producing the good old, 'we'll see a different grimes next year', I heard that last year and the only thing i want to see of grimes now is the back of him, hes consistantly been a let down from day one. |
you'll learn to love him too SC. 
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 01:22 - Feb 27 with 1669 views | olympicdale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 00:13 - Feb 27 by roccydaleian |
Well then, apart from Grant. Who is better? By the way Tazzy sends his love to you, on the Amber and Black forum. |
I guess he just doesn't see Grimes for what he really is, an actual talented footballer, who is one of our best, and fits in to Hills style of quick one touch passing ans movement. I do find it amazing he's hardly ever been played as an actual striker whilst been here though, I hope we can convince him for another year, as I really feel with 2 wingers providing him, in a front 2 he will provide the goals. | |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 03:13 - Feb 27 with 1651 views | BlueDutch |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 01:22 - Feb 27 by olympicdale |
I guess he just doesn't see Grimes for what he really is, an actual talented footballer, who is one of our best, and fits in to Hills style of quick one touch passing ans movement. I do find it amazing he's hardly ever been played as an actual striker whilst been here though, I hope we can convince him for another year, as I really feel with 2 wingers providing him, in a front 2 he will provide the goals. |
Yeah Grimes is talented ... sometimes, when he feels like it, which isn't often and too often he is a passenger with a work rate that doesn't come anywhere near. He scores the odd great goal but isn't a team player. We can't afford lazy players in a relegation fight so the sooner he's gone the better. His body language tonight shows he does give a fook and it isn't the first time. The manager will have learned a lot about the garbage he has to work with this week.
If Grimes is as talented as people think he should be able to play anywhere. |  |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 07:40 - Feb 27 with 1587 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 00:00 - Feb 27 by StAnnesDale |
Think Tutte has too often flattered to deceivel in central midfield. Accelerates a bit but stops when reaches an oppostion and passes square too often. Has never put a killer ball to a forward in 2 years from central midfield to my knowledge. Not a bad player because he has a bit of pace, is mobile, and seldom hides, and this season has scored a few, but not a star player by any means.
When out on the wing, he has done well. One against one he can get to the by-line and put a decent cross over due to his acceleration over 2-5 yards Has created a couple of goals that way. That is his strength but he does not like to be wide judging from how often he drifts back to central midfield. |
I agree.
Some people, not yourself, think it's a matter of a recent withdrawal of effort on Tutte's part. I don't think that's the case. It's actually a matter of him not being good enough.
I was talking to a regular contributor to this board after the game who summed it up well. He needs to watch DVDs of David Perkins and watch how he impacts a game in every aspect - passing, tackling and intercepting play etc.
Tutte, who came with far more hype, is not in the same league as Perkins was when he was here. Perkins has only recently made it into the Championship. That's the standard and Tutte is nowhere, absolutely nowhere near it.
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 08:18 - Feb 27 with 1554 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 01:22 - Feb 27 by olympicdale |
I guess he just doesn't see Grimes for what he really is, an actual talented footballer, who is one of our best, and fits in to Hills style of quick one touch passing ans movement. I do find it amazing he's hardly ever been played as an actual striker whilst been here though, I hope we can convince him for another year, as I really feel with 2 wingers providing him, in a front 2 he will provide the goals. |
For fook sake Olympicdale. Rose put in some great crosses last night and Donnelly put in a lovely low cross towards the end. Grimes was nowhere near any of them. The only danger from people getting on the end of crosses was when Accy nearly scored those two own goals in the second half.
Grimes had absolutely no intention of getting on the end of crosses last night.
Does it have to be a designated winger who puts the crosses in for him to get on the end of them?
He also played centrally last night as to did Gornell.
Will playing in a 442 stop people tackling him and chasing him down?
We all agree he's talented but it's his effort we question.
I think last nights game was more suited to Leos and he's a virgo. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 08:58 - Feb 27 with 1507 views | judd |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 08:18 - Feb 27 by BigDaveMyCock |
For fook sake Olympicdale. Rose put in some great crosses last night and Donnelly put in a lovely low cross towards the end. Grimes was nowhere near any of them. The only danger from people getting on the end of crosses was when Accy nearly scored those two own goals in the second half.
Grimes had absolutely no intention of getting on the end of crosses last night.
Does it have to be a designated winger who puts the crosses in for him to get on the end of them?
He also played centrally last night as to did Gornell.
Will playing in a 442 stop people tackling him and chasing him down?
We all agree he's talented but it's his effort we question.
I think last nights game was more suited to Leos and he's a virgo. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Irrespective of star sign, he's a bone-idle, petulant tvvat.
Sooner he fooks off to Rotherfield, the better. |  |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 09:03 - Feb 27 with 1502 views | sweetcorn |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 01:22 - Feb 27 by olympicdale |
I guess he just doesn't see Grimes for what he really is, an actual talented footballer, who is one of our best, and fits in to Hills style of quick one touch passing ans movement. I do find it amazing he's hardly ever been played as an actual striker whilst been here though, I hope we can convince him for another year, as I really feel with 2 wingers providing him, in a front 2 he will provide the goals. |
You've still not answered the question as to why he failed so miserably at millwall and city, where they also not good enough players?
The amount of shots that he has blocked are unbelievable, its because hes so easy to read and often overthinks a chance rather than acting on instinct. He's been here nearly two seasons now and hasn't done it other than two one month spells. Its not good enough, simple as that. |  |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 09:28 - Feb 27 with 1468 views | maybee |
I think that both OD and Bigdavemycock are wrong.
Tutte is one of the better central midfield players in L2. He carries a real goal threat and would be in most other teams starting 11.
However. To get the best out of him, you have to play him as one of two in the midfield. If (as every Manager here has tried) you play him as one of 3, or push him out wide) you simply waste his talent.
I'm staggered that it seems so obvious, yet isn't an automatic.
Tutte & JK should start as our preferred two. For all BBM's passing abilities, he is too easily by-passed by anyone with a modicum of pace, and this is exactly why the others dare not push on, as I'm sure they are instructed.
Having an extra central midfield player (or even two extra ones, as we had for an hour last night) just compounds the issue, whilst leaving us woefully narrow, which of course leads to a lack of crosses coming into the box. I know Rose put in two beauties last night, but too often Bennett lost posession before he got into a danger area.
As for Grimes. He really should be doing better than he currently is, because he does have natural talent However, I'm not sure even he knows where he wants to play...he has played as one of a pair, he has played just behind the front two and he's tried coming off the bench as an impact sub. None of them really work for the team. The problem would seem to lie in Ashley's head. In other words...he CAN do it, but he just can't be bothered or doesn't want it enough to be more than a once in a blue moon success. A move will probably be best for all parties. If some other manager can get the best out of him, they will have signed a good 'un. If not, then he will be just another talented kid who never made it. |  | | |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 15:55 - Feb 27 with 1314 views | aleanddale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 09:28 - Feb 27 by maybee |
I think that both OD and Bigdavemycock are wrong.
Tutte is one of the better central midfield players in L2. He carries a real goal threat and would be in most other teams starting 11.
However. To get the best out of him, you have to play him as one of two in the midfield. If (as every Manager here has tried) you play him as one of 3, or push him out wide) you simply waste his talent.
I'm staggered that it seems so obvious, yet isn't an automatic.
Tutte & JK should start as our preferred two. For all BBM's passing abilities, he is too easily by-passed by anyone with a modicum of pace, and this is exactly why the others dare not push on, as I'm sure they are instructed.
Having an extra central midfield player (or even two extra ones, as we had for an hour last night) just compounds the issue, whilst leaving us woefully narrow, which of course leads to a lack of crosses coming into the box. I know Rose put in two beauties last night, but too often Bennett lost posession before he got into a danger area.
As for Grimes. He really should be doing better than he currently is, because he does have natural talent However, I'm not sure even he knows where he wants to play...he has played as one of a pair, he has played just behind the front two and he's tried coming off the bench as an impact sub. None of them really work for the team. The problem would seem to lie in Ashley's head. In other words...he CAN do it, but he just can't be bothered or doesn't want it enough to be more than a once in a blue moon success. A move will probably be best for all parties. If some other manager can get the best out of him, they will have signed a good 'un. If not, then he will be just another talented kid who never made it. |
very well put and has saved me 5-10 minutes typing!!
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 16:26 - Feb 27 with 1290 views | olympicdale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 09:28 - Feb 27 by maybee |
I think that both OD and Bigdavemycock are wrong.
Tutte is one of the better central midfield players in L2. He carries a real goal threat and would be in most other teams starting 11.
However. To get the best out of him, you have to play him as one of two in the midfield. If (as every Manager here has tried) you play him as one of 3, or push him out wide) you simply waste his talent.
I'm staggered that it seems so obvious, yet isn't an automatic.
Tutte & JK should start as our preferred two. For all BBM's passing abilities, he is too easily by-passed by anyone with a modicum of pace, and this is exactly why the others dare not push on, as I'm sure they are instructed.
Having an extra central midfield player (or even two extra ones, as we had for an hour last night) just compounds the issue, whilst leaving us woefully narrow, which of course leads to a lack of crosses coming into the box. I know Rose put in two beauties last night, but too often Bennett lost posession before he got into a danger area.
As for Grimes. He really should be doing better than he currently is, because he does have natural talent However, I'm not sure even he knows where he wants to play...he has played as one of a pair, he has played just behind the front two and he's tried coming off the bench as an impact sub. None of them really work for the team. The problem would seem to lie in Ashley's head. In other words...he CAN do it, but he just can't be bothered or doesn't want it enough to be more than a once in a blue moon success. A move will probably be best for all parties. If some other manager can get the best out of him, they will have signed a good 'un. If not, then he will be just another talented kid who never made it. |
We've been saying now for too long Tutte needs to be plYing in a midfield two, hope he stars in it cause a lot of people will be let down. Tutte I think often flatters to decieve, his decision making recently has been very poor, and he doesnt seem to want to move for the ball or intercept the play, if hes going to play in a central role, this part of his game will become more evidant, he has an ability to shoot we all know that but a pop shot every now an then shouldnt be a case to keep him. Hill let him go previous and I can see him doing so again,
Grimes is no doubt a talented player, his workrate and attitude have been called in to question, but the kids got skill. He wont make it though without the application, he needs to be adaptable in being able to play whereever hes asked, You can see he started out as an attacking midfielder as he prefers to drop deep, despite us feeling he needs to be in a front two, Im not sure, as you say, he knows where his best position is himself. I hope he makes it at Rotherham but deep down I dont think he will, at 26 he is now at the peak of his career, maybe a fresh start, and a manager who plays him the right way will be good for him. | |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 17:02 - Feb 27 with 1263 views | NotEyreClue |
Tutte had a great start to the season and bossed the midfield at times. He's still had a good season by all accounts when you look at how many goals he's scored but it didn't take long for people to work him out. He's a one trick pony for the most part, a little burst of speed to try and get past a man and if it doesn't work, he's knackered. With regards to the comparisons to Perkins, it's important to note that Tutte is still a young lad whereas Perkins was a fair bit older than him when he first came here. | |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 17:10 - Feb 27 with 1255 views | SaxonDale |
I don't think Tutte is good enough defensively to play in a midfield 2, I think Tutte has the potential to be another player who goes on to be successful at a higher level, unfortunately I don't think it will be with us. |  | | |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 17:57 - Feb 27 with 1227 views | 442Dale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 17:10 - Feb 27 by SaxonDale |
I don't think Tutte is good enough defensively to play in a midfield 2, I think Tutte has the potential to be another player who goes on to be successful at a higher level, unfortunately I don't think it will be with us. |
Tutte and Kennedy as a two should be more than good enough defensively and going forward at our level, yet we have never tried it. If/when either player leave, that could be the biggest regret. |  |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:10 - Feb 27 with 1207 views | SaxonDale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 17:57 - Feb 27 by 442Dale |
Tutte and Kennedy as a two should be more than good enough defensively and going forward at our level, yet we have never tried it. If/when either player leave, that could be the biggest regret. |
But we would simply get overrun in midfield when playing against teams who play with three central midfielders. We are one midfielder away from having a very good centre of the park, BBM is simply no longer good enough. | | | |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:25 - Feb 27 with 1193 views | 442Dale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:10 - Feb 27 by SaxonDale |
But we would simply get overrun in midfield when playing against teams who play with three central midfielders. We are one midfielder away from having a very good centre of the park, BBM is simply no longer good enough. |
Did we get overrun playing three earlier in the season? Yes. Did we last season? Yes.
Since Hill returned we've often played with a two - Tutte and Jones, while naturally drifting infield were deployed wide last night. eg. The instructions from the bench were for others to get wide when Tutte came in off the left.
Tutte has also been predominantly right sided before last night too, with a proper front two; Gornell and Donnelly v Torquay and Barnet, Gornell and Grimes yesterday.
We're playing a 4-4-2 now, albeit with 'false' wideplayers, but it's definitely not the one up top we've become accustomed to. The central two have been JK and BBM, and if we're prepared to try that (and try Jones and Tutte briefly last season when Tutte had to change his entire game), then why not JK and Tutte now.
We won promotion playing a midfield two. In fact, although Hill was correct to change to a three in advance of a L1 campaign for the last month or so, we probably lost the title by using the different formation.
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:31 - Feb 27 with 1180 views | ColDale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:25 - Feb 27 by 442Dale |
Did we get overrun playing three earlier in the season? Yes. Did we last season? Yes.
Since Hill returned we've often played with a two - Tutte and Jones, while naturally drifting infield were deployed wide last night. eg. The instructions from the bench were for others to get wide when Tutte came in off the left.
Tutte has also been predominantly right sided before last night too, with a proper front two; Gornell and Donnelly v Torquay and Barnet, Gornell and Grimes yesterday.
We're playing a 4-4-2 now, albeit with 'false' wideplayers, but it's definitely not the one up top we've become accustomed to. The central two have been JK and BBM, and if we're prepared to try that (and try Jones and Tutte briefly last season when Tutte had to change his entire game), then why not JK and Tutte now.
We won promotion playing a midfield two. In fact, although Hill was correct to change to a three in advance of a L1 campaign for the last month or so, we probably lost the title by using the different formation.
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do you not reckon that whether it being behind closed doors or in training, that a midfield pairing of JK and Tutte has been tried and subsquently ignored as a result? |  | | |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:38 - Feb 27 with 1170 views | 442Dale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:31 - Feb 27 by ColDale |
do you not reckon that whether it being behind closed doors or in training, that a midfield pairing of JK and Tutte has been tried and subsquently ignored as a result? |
Maybe they start frothing at the mouth or something if it happens, it's just incredibly strange it hasn't been tried for a few games at some stage in the last two season. Especially when considering some of the dross we've seen using various other combinations. | |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:39 - Feb 27 with 1165 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:10 - Feb 27 by SaxonDale |
But we would simply get overrun in midfield when playing against teams who play with three central midfielders. We are one midfielder away from having a very good centre of the park, BBM is simply no longer good enough. |
BBM is getting on a bit, but his footballing abilities are still head and shoulders above Tuttes. At the next game watch how BBM moves the ball and how he can quickly see a run and pick that player out. Then watch Tutte. His brain just doesn't work as quickly, hence he needs to constantly do those sideways runs things he does. Also, he rarely makes a tackle - seriously, watch him. He harries but never makes an interception.
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 19:08 - Feb 27 with 1131 views | SaxonDale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 18:25 - Feb 27 by 442Dale |
Did we get overrun playing three earlier in the season? Yes. Did we last season? Yes.
Since Hill returned we've often played with a two - Tutte and Jones, while naturally drifting infield were deployed wide last night. eg. The instructions from the bench were for others to get wide when Tutte came in off the left.
Tutte has also been predominantly right sided before last night too, with a proper front two; Gornell and Donnelly v Torquay and Barnet, Gornell and Grimes yesterday.
We're playing a 4-4-2 now, albeit with 'false' wideplayers, but it's definitely not the one up top we've become accustomed to. The central two have been JK and BBM, and if we're prepared to try that (and try Jones and Tutte briefly last season when Tutte had to change his entire game), then why not JK and Tutte now.
We won promotion playing a midfield two. In fact, although Hill was correct to change to a three in advance of a L1 campaign for the last month or so, we probably lost the title by using the different formation.
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We won a promotion playing a midfield 2 in a league where the majority of the opposition played a midfield 2, as opposed to the 3 that most teams seem to play with now. The York game is on DalePlayer and perfectly highlights Tuttes faults defensively, we can't afford to have only 2 central midfielders playing when only 1 is capable of offering support for the defence. We got overran last season with a 3 man midfield because the wrong players were played in the wrong positions of this midfield, eg Tutte in a deep role. This season we controlled a lot of games in the early parts of the campaign but seemed to trail off as a result in the decline of form in players such as Tutte again around Christmas (something which he has not recovered from) and with not enough squad depth in order for players to change. | | | |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 19:34 - Feb 27 with 1099 views | 442Dale |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 19:08 - Feb 27 by SaxonDale |
We won a promotion playing a midfield 2 in a league where the majority of the opposition played a midfield 2, as opposed to the 3 that most teams seem to play with now. The York game is on DalePlayer and perfectly highlights Tuttes faults defensively, we can't afford to have only 2 central midfielders playing when only 1 is capable of offering support for the defence. We got overran last season with a 3 man midfield because the wrong players were played in the wrong positions of this midfield, eg Tutte in a deep role. This season we controlled a lot of games in the early parts of the campaign but seemed to trail off as a result in the decline of form in players such as Tutte again around Christmas (something which he has not recovered from) and with not enough squad depth in order for players to change. |
While I'd agree that 2 v 3 can cause problems, look how Bradford failed to deal with us at their place, there are plenty if examples of why two central midfielders is the way to go at this level. The biggest benefit being you can play two centre forwards.
Port Vale have done it all season with two proper wingers either side, and Gillingham prefer it with a normal front two ahead of them instead of the 'one centre forward, two wider of him'. Swindon and Shrewsbury were similar last season.
Ironically, I'm not the biggest advocate of 4-4-2 myself, but when simplicity is needed and you need to start with a clean slate, it's a good way to go. The best example of this has always been when Hill first took over. | |
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| Hillys worst game ever here? on 22:40 - Feb 27 with 1039 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Hillys worst game ever here? on 17:02 - Feb 27 by NotEyreClue |
Tutte had a great start to the season and bossed the midfield at times. He's still had a good season by all accounts when you look at how many goals he's scored but it didn't take long for people to work him out. He's a one trick pony for the most part, a little burst of speed to try and get past a man and if it doesn't work, he's knackered. With regards to the comparisons to Perkins, it's important to note that Tutte is still a young lad whereas Perkins was a fair bit older than him when he first came here. |
Perkins was 25 when he came to Dale after playing all his football in non-league. Tutte is currently 22 and has played nearly 100 games of league football and played in a very succesful Premiership youth team. Age difference, yes. Experience difference, Tutte may even edge it.
The comparison with Perkins I think is appropriate. Both are a similar stature and could be described as all-action type midfielders. If Tutte wants to be a good League 2 player and go on to play at a higher level, which some on here think he is capable of, then someone like Perkins should be a good benchmark for him.
1) Passing - Tutte is nowhere near Perkins when it comes to moving the ball. Perkins has/had a good footballing brain whereas Tutte needs alot of time.
2) Tackling - Perkins was a great tackler, Tutte rarely tackles.
3) Energy - Both have it in abundance. With Perkins it had an end result. With Tutte it's a case of never has so little been achieved with so much effort.
4) Goals - Tutte has a better goal record.
Conclusion: Nowhere near the standard required for himself to be a play at a higher level or for Dale to be a promotion chasing side.
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