| Dumphy 19:41 - Jan 7 with 3764 views | pearlstreet1 |
Dumphy it's time to act and act fast, let's stop going down the cheap route as usual and let's get someone in charge with experience. You fell very very lucky with Keith Hill cheap notion who did a brilliant job but face it that was a one off.
Chies Beach great youth coach but not a league manager,sort it out or I will tell you this we are going down.
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| Dumphy on 23:52 - Jan 7 with 1355 views | DiddyDave |
Surely once Hillcroft had announced they were off to Barnsley and taken Wiseman and Done with them,the supporters and players knew the balmy days were over and it was survival time no matter who took over. Strictly speaking,O`Grady played for Hillcroft not Rochdale as they were the two who resurrected his career and once Megson came in for him,that was it. No way could Dale afford to keep him,but more to the point,he didn`t want to stay anyway. Once you start forking out wages that the club can`t afford,you`re truly going out of business,a la Darlo,Plymouth,Stockport etc,and as we all know,on crowds of less than three thousand,as someone has previously said,Dale have to sell to survive. It`s called economics or balancing the books and that`s it,bottom line. Let`s just hope Chris Beech can do a Hilly and keep Dale up,but if he doesn`t,don`t expect anybody else to do a Hilly as it only ever happens once. | | | |
| Dumphy on 01:48 - Jan 8 with 1316 views | Creepy |
We are Rochdale. We have the worst crowds in the division and we would probably have average to lower end crowds in League 2. What we've experienced over the last 5 years beggars belief and if we end up back in League 2 then it's only what most of us would have expected last season. For people who are complaining I would say this. Chris Dunphy took a gamble on Keith Hill and it paid off massively. He then took a gamble on Steve Eyre and it went wrong. He's realised he made a mistake and got rid of him. For anyone who wants a reality check let me give you this list:
Wrexham
Luton
York
Cambridge
Mansfield
Grimsby
Darlington
Lincoln
Stockport
All these teams are arguably bigger or similar to us and are two divisions below us. Today might have been Darlington's last game ever(a defeat at Barrow). There but for the grace of God or but for the sense of Messrs Radcliffe, Kilpatrick and Dunphy. Lets just take a step back and be grateful for where we are. Don't get me wrong, I believe we are underachieving given our current squad of players but if we do go down we still have our club to support back in the "Rochdale" division!! What would the fans of all the clubs above give to be in our position? |  | | |
| Dumphy on 02:16 - Jan 8 with 1302 views | DaleFan7 |
| Dumphy on 19:52 - Jan 7 by KenBoon |
We were relegated when we sold Chris O'Grady.
Chris Beech will do fine. I trust him to undo the mess made by Eyre (and the sale of CoG) and prepare us for the inevitable League 2 campaign next season. The board should focus on making sure this club can make money now the golden eggs aren't being laid. THAT is our biggest challenge, not the relegation fight. |
Nobody has said a truer word all season!!
The sale of O'Grady doomed us from the start. Obviously the board think the money from selling O'Grady was more than it'll cost us to go down though. | | | |
| Dumphy on 04:40 - Jan 8 with 1284 views | nordenblue |
| Dumphy on 02:16 - Jan 8 by DaleFan7 |
Nobody has said a truer word all season!!
The sale of O'Grady doomed us from the start. Obviously the board think the money from selling O'Grady was more than it'll cost us to go down though. |
Obviously the board can keep a player at a club and make him play even though the said player has been offered treble his wages elsewhere and the player himself wants to move clubs? Together with offering Cog the highest wage of ANY Dale player in the clubs history what else could the board have done?
People really do write some ridiculous comments on here and blame people who have only ever put the interests of the club and the fans at heart in every decision made | | | |
| Dumphy on 08:38 - Jan 8 with 1247 views | BrighouseDale |
| Dumphy on 01:48 - Jan 8 by Creepy |
We are Rochdale. We have the worst crowds in the division and we would probably have average to lower end crowds in League 2. What we've experienced over the last 5 years beggars belief and if we end up back in League 2 then it's only what most of us would have expected last season. For people who are complaining I would say this. Chris Dunphy took a gamble on Keith Hill and it paid off massively. He then took a gamble on Steve Eyre and it went wrong. He's realised he made a mistake and got rid of him. For anyone who wants a reality check let me give you this list:
Wrexham
Luton
York
Cambridge
Mansfield
Grimsby
Darlington
Lincoln
Stockport
All these teams are arguably bigger or similar to us and are two divisions below us. Today might have been Darlington's last game ever(a defeat at Barrow). There but for the grace of God or but for the sense of Messrs Radcliffe, Kilpatrick and Dunphy. Lets just take a step back and be grateful for where we are. Don't get me wrong, I believe we are underachieving given our current squad of players but if we do go down we still have our club to support back in the "Rochdale" division!! What would the fans of all the clubs above give to be in our position? |
Completely agree Creepy. I for one would not be suicidal if we find ourselves back in League 2 next year. It's not Dunphy's fault and it's certainly not Chris Beech's fault. It's a whole combination of factors, and at the end of the day clubs with gates like ours will always struggle- and here's the key- if we are to survive financially. I know I'd rather be in the black and in League 2 than be in Darlo's position. |  |
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| Dumphy on 08:47 - Jan 8 with 1244 views | TalkingSutty |
| Dumphy on 01:48 - Jan 8 by Creepy |
We are Rochdale. We have the worst crowds in the division and we would probably have average to lower end crowds in League 2. What we've experienced over the last 5 years beggars belief and if we end up back in League 2 then it's only what most of us would have expected last season. For people who are complaining I would say this. Chris Dunphy took a gamble on Keith Hill and it paid off massively. He then took a gamble on Steve Eyre and it went wrong. He's realised he made a mistake and got rid of him. For anyone who wants a reality check let me give you this list:
Wrexham
Luton
York
Cambridge
Mansfield
Grimsby
Darlington
Lincoln
Stockport
All these teams are arguably bigger or similar to us and are two divisions below us. Today might have been Darlington's last game ever(a defeat at Barrow). There but for the grace of God or but for the sense of Messrs Radcliffe, Kilpatrick and Dunphy. Lets just take a step back and be grateful for where we are. Don't get me wrong, I believe we are underachieving given our current squad of players but if we do go down we still have our club to support back in the "Rochdale" division!! What would the fans of all the clubs above give to be in our position? |
My sentiments exactly. Relegation back to league two isnt the end of the world (To listen to some so called fans it would spell the end of their Dale supporting careers), lets face it we start nearly every game as big underdogs.
People want to watch attractive, winning football and in league one because of our financial constraints, low crowds and the financial clout of our opponents we find it a struggle to come up with the goods.
Success for me is having a football league club to support and not slipping into the Blue Square leagues, competing in the top half of league two and pushing for the playoffs whilst playing an attractive brand of football is where i think we belong. Obviously promotion to league one is brilliant, but i dont think we can sustain that position due to the size of our crowds. Sure, we might survive, but who wants to watch constant survival battles ?
Punching above our weight in league two and the odd good cup run/ play off season is good enough for me. You have to be realistic in life and just being in the football league is a good effort for Rochdale FC . Sorry if i have pricked anybodys bubble !! |  | | |
| Dumphy on 12:06 - Jan 8 with 1179 views | TomRAFC |
anyone who has spent even a modicum of time in chris dunphys company will know he is a diehard dale fan and cares very deeply about the club
beech has been in charge for hardly anytime and has kept clean sheets and produced some signs of progress.
i wasn't their yesterday but however bad it was it is daft to write everything off and start again [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Dumphy on 17:14 - Jan 8 with 1119 views | electricblue |
| Dumphy on 23:52 - Jan 7 by DiddyDave |
Surely once Hillcroft had announced they were off to Barnsley and taken Wiseman and Done with them,the supporters and players knew the balmy days were over and it was survival time no matter who took over. Strictly speaking,O`Grady played for Hillcroft not Rochdale as they were the two who resurrected his career and once Megson came in for him,that was it. No way could Dale afford to keep him,but more to the point,he didn`t want to stay anyway. Once you start forking out wages that the club can`t afford,you`re truly going out of business,a la Darlo,Plymouth,Stockport etc,and as we all know,on crowds of less than three thousand,as someone has previously said,Dale have to sell to survive. It`s called economics or balancing the books and that`s it,bottom line. Let`s just hope Chris Beech can do a Hilly and keep Dale up,but if he doesn`t,don`t expect anybody else to do a Hilly as it only ever happens once. |
So o'grady played for Hillcroft and not Dale..is that what you are trying to say?.
Because thats what O'grady said when he upped sticks..not verbaly though. |  |
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| Dumphy on 17:18 - Jan 8 with 1103 views | firgrovedale51 |
| Dumphy on 04:40 - Jan 8 by nordenblue |
Obviously the board can keep a player at a club and make him play even though the said player has been offered treble his wages elsewhere and the player himself wants to move clubs? Together with offering Cog the highest wage of ANY Dale player in the clubs history what else could the board have done?
People really do write some ridiculous comments on here and blame people who have only ever put the interests of the club and the fans at heart in every decision made |
Spot on Norden
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| Dumphy on 17:21 - Jan 8 with 1093 views | DaleFan7 |
| Dumphy on 04:40 - Jan 8 by nordenblue |
Obviously the board can keep a player at a club and make him play even though the said player has been offered treble his wages elsewhere and the player himself wants to move clubs? Together with offering Cog the highest wage of ANY Dale player in the clubs history what else could the board have done?
People really do write some ridiculous comments on here and blame people who have only ever put the interests of the club and the fans at heart in every decision made |
He was under contract to Rochdale AFC they didn't have to sell him at all. The money we got from him will not cover the money it will cost to go down I'm afraid. And for most parts he is the difference and the missing player for me. | | | |
| Dumphy on 17:25 - Jan 8 with 1087 views | Dale23years |
| Dumphy on 17:21 - Jan 8 by DaleFan7 |
He was under contract to Rochdale AFC they didn't have to sell him at all. The money we got from him will not cover the money it will cost to go down I'm afraid. And for most parts he is the difference and the missing player for me. |
Then lose him for Fcuk all end of this season.Ask you a question would O grady play as well under eyre as he did under hill me for one think not | |
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| Dumphy on 17:26 - Jan 8 with 1082 views | nordenblue |
| Dumphy on 17:21 - Jan 8 by DaleFan7 |
He was under contract to Rochdale AFC they didn't have to sell him at all. The money we got from him will not cover the money it will cost to go down I'm afraid. And for most parts he is the difference and the missing player for me. |
The moment the player said of his desire to leave his contracts not worth a carrot, what do we then do force him to play every game when he wants to be elsewhere? It's nothing to do with the money his transfer brought in and what it's worth to the club, should we not have kept Craig Dawson then too using your logic, or was his transfer fee worth getting relegated for? | | | |
| Dumphy on 17:28 - Jan 8 with 1073 views | DaleFan7 |
| Dumphy on 17:25 - Jan 8 by Dale23years |
Then lose him for Fcuk all end of this season.Ask you a question would O grady play as well under eyre as he did under hill me for one think not |
Lose him but stay in League 1 for another season. I think we would have score more goals yes. We can't hold the ball upfront with the strikers we have it just gets booted straight back to our half meaning we hardly ever score, we are under pressure more than we should be. Maybe not AS well as under Hill and Flitcroft. Apparently he didn't even get on with Hill. I'd rather have half of O'Grady's efforts from the last few season than have any of the strikers we have now. | | | |
| Dumphy on 00:12 - Jan 9 with 1011 views | MattDalemon |
| Dumphy on 17:28 - Jan 8 by DaleFan7 |
Lose him but stay in League 1 for another season. I think we would have score more goals yes. We can't hold the ball upfront with the strikers we have it just gets booted straight back to our half meaning we hardly ever score, we are under pressure more than we should be. Maybe not AS well as under Hill and Flitcroft. Apparently he didn't even get on with Hill. I'd rather have half of O'Grady's efforts from the last few season than have any of the strikers we have now. |
We offered COG the highest wage any player would have ever earned at Rochdale in 3k a week, Sheff Weds offered him 5k, we were never going to keep him. The fact it dragged out so long and left us no time to sort a replacement killed us and led to Eyre trying allsorts of different loans to get a goalscorer. Beech is now trying the same. Bogdanovic will score goals if he gets the service but ormerod is a waste of time, he had cramp at half time yesterday and will never be the answer.
Bogdanovic has been amazed at the quality of football we are trying to play, or playing, and that is down to Eyre and what he was doing. We weren't far off under Eyre and i still think the chairman panicked and pulled the plug too early.
I put up a post around the start of the season (could have been my 1st post) about how we were punching above our weight, and got shot down. We've overachieved massively the last few years and are now heading back to our real level.
We can't compete in L1 on our crowds, not a chance. | | | |
| Dumphy on 00:27 - Jan 9 with 1000 views | D_Alien |
| Dumphy on 00:12 - Jan 9 by MattDalemon |
We offered COG the highest wage any player would have ever earned at Rochdale in 3k a week, Sheff Weds offered him 5k, we were never going to keep him. The fact it dragged out so long and left us no time to sort a replacement killed us and led to Eyre trying allsorts of different loans to get a goalscorer. Beech is now trying the same. Bogdanovic will score goals if he gets the service but ormerod is a waste of time, he had cramp at half time yesterday and will never be the answer.
Bogdanovic has been amazed at the quality of football we are trying to play, or playing, and that is down to Eyre and what he was doing. We weren't far off under Eyre and i still think the chairman panicked and pulled the plug too early.
I put up a post around the start of the season (could have been my 1st post) about how we were punching above our weight, and got shot down. We've overachieved massively the last few years and are now heading back to our real level.
We can't compete in L1 on our crowds, not a chance. |
Either we're "trying to play, or playing" quality football (in which case we're competing) or we're not
Its entirely possible to compete in L1 on our gates, providing we get income from other sources, such as outgoing transfers
It's what you do with the money that counts. We're largely wasting ours at the moment - that's what's so depressing [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Dumphy on 00:45 - Jan 9 with 984 views | SaxonDale |
| Dumphy on 00:12 - Jan 9 by MattDalemon |
We offered COG the highest wage any player would have ever earned at Rochdale in 3k a week, Sheff Weds offered him 5k, we were never going to keep him. The fact it dragged out so long and left us no time to sort a replacement killed us and led to Eyre trying allsorts of different loans to get a goalscorer. Beech is now trying the same. Bogdanovic will score goals if he gets the service but ormerod is a waste of time, he had cramp at half time yesterday and will never be the answer.
Bogdanovic has been amazed at the quality of football we are trying to play, or playing, and that is down to Eyre and what he was doing. We weren't far off under Eyre and i still think the chairman panicked and pulled the plug too early.
I put up a post around the start of the season (could have been my 1st post) about how we were punching above our weight, and got shot down. We've overachieved massively the last few years and are now heading back to our real level.
We can't compete in L1 on our crowds, not a chance. |
How is the style of football we are playing a result of Eyre? |  | | |
| Dumphy on 02:28 - Jan 9 with 969 views | Birchy915 |
| Dumphy on 20:43 - Jan 7 by pearlstreet1 |
Yes I am real and in my opinion cog is the best player I have seen play for Rochdale, I have watched Dale for 40 years you tell me who was a better player????? We are a club who are scared to death of going forward and spending money. |
Ive only been watching about 6 years and even I know that our best ever player belongs to three possible candidates, Reg Jenkins, Albert Whitehurst or Craig Dawson.
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| Dumphy on 09:09 - Jan 9 with 919 views | SFD |
| Dumphy on 08:47 - Jan 8 by TalkingSutty |
My sentiments exactly. Relegation back to league two isnt the end of the world (To listen to some so called fans it would spell the end of their Dale supporting careers), lets face it we start nearly every game as big underdogs.
People want to watch attractive, winning football and in league one because of our financial constraints, low crowds and the financial clout of our opponents we find it a struggle to come up with the goods.
Success for me is having a football league club to support and not slipping into the Blue Square leagues, competing in the top half of league two and pushing for the playoffs whilst playing an attractive brand of football is where i think we belong. Obviously promotion to league one is brilliant, but i dont think we can sustain that position due to the size of our crowds. Sure, we might survive, but who wants to watch constant survival battles ?
Punching above our weight in league two and the odd good cup run/ play off season is good enough for me. You have to be realistic in life and just being in the football league is a good effort for Rochdale FC . Sorry if i have pricked anybodys bubble !! |
You may be right but accepting relegation without a fight is not acceptable and that is what we have seen for the majority of this season.
With our present team/squad and the way we are playing I think we would probably be in a relegation scrap in Lg 2. |  | | |
| Dumphy on 09:29 - Jan 9 with 908 views | TVOS1907 |
| Dumphy on 00:12 - Jan 9 by MattDalemon |
We offered COG the highest wage any player would have ever earned at Rochdale in 3k a week, Sheff Weds offered him 5k, we were never going to keep him. The fact it dragged out so long and left us no time to sort a replacement killed us and led to Eyre trying allsorts of different loans to get a goalscorer. Beech is now trying the same. Bogdanovic will score goals if he gets the service but ormerod is a waste of time, he had cramp at half time yesterday and will never be the answer.
Bogdanovic has been amazed at the quality of football we are trying to play, or playing, and that is down to Eyre and what he was doing. We weren't far off under Eyre and i still think the chairman panicked and pulled the plug too early.
I put up a post around the start of the season (could have been my 1st post) about how we were punching above our weight, and got shot down. We've overachieved massively the last few years and are now heading back to our real level.
We can't compete in L1 on our crowds, not a chance. |
With respect, Bogdanovic is hardly going to say something negative just after his first game for us, when he scored and was man of the match.
Also ... 'We weren't far off under Eyre'
Performances and results suggested otherwise. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Dumphy on 10:14 - Jan 9 with 874 views | electricblue |
| Dumphy on 20:59 - Jan 7 by NotEyreClue |
I don't think we will have let O'Grady go without a fight. I'm sure Dunphy knew how important he was to the team and our survival chances, he will have offered him as much as we possibly could...To be honest, O'Grady doesn't seem like the kind of player to be motivated by money (if there is such a breed!). I think the lure of a bigger club and the very realistic possiblity of a higher standard of football will have been the deciding factor in him signing for The Owls. |
Of coarse Dale let O' grady go without a fight.
If another club wave £300k in Dales board faces then the board go weak at the knees and sell.
Evidence is there for all to see over the years.. | |
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| Dumphy on 12:04 - Jan 9 with 780 views | Brierls |
| Dumphy on 10:14 - Jan 9 by electricblue |
Of coarse Dale let O' grady go without a fight.
If another club wave £300k in Dales board faces then the board go weak at the knees and sell.
Evidence is there for all to see over the years.. |
Much better to reject all bids, keep unsettled players at the club, and send ourselves into financial dire straits?
Not for me, thanks.
The sale of COG (and others in the past) was inevitable once bigger clubs make their interest known. My only criticism of the board was the lack of a replacement before sanctioning any deal. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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