| Second BREXIT Referendum 16:30 - Dec 21 with 1490 views | johnlangy |
Time to put your thinking cap on again ohl  .
In my 'Thank You Nigel Farage' thread I suggested that Reform are going to have a huge bearing on the result of the next General Election. This thread is about the thought that things could go the completely opposite way.
One thing we know for certain (there's not many times you can say that in politics) is that Reform, aka Nigel Farage, are not going to stand on a platform of holding a second Brexit referendum at the next GE. Kemi Badenoch is a brexiteer so that rules out the Torys, at least while she's the leader.
So what if Labour does ? When a second ref has been talked about before now the general consensus has been that it's too early, that Brexit has to be given time to see how it works. If Labour do offer a second ref at the next GE and they win again the referendum probably wouldn't happen till at least 2032. So that would mean sixteen years after the first one. No one could argue that that is not enough time to see if Brexit was working or not.
And what would be the result. As far as i'm aware every single poll that has been taken over the last few years on how people would vote in another ref has shown a substantial majority for rejoining (in May it was 55% wrong to leave with 31% saying it was right to leave). And that majority will only get bigger. In the first ref it was mostly older people who voted to leave while younger people voted to remain. And there's only one way that different demography is going to change.
Over the next few years we may get caught up in a Trade war if Trump does follow up on his ideas about tarrifs. So little old UK would be stuck between the USA and the EU in that battle. And Labour will be in the perfect position to use that as an argument to rejoin especially as they'll have been working with the EU for a few years at that time trying to improve the current Brexit deal.
Another side benefit to Labour, who are a very pro Union party, is that a rejoin vote may also see off Scotlands fight for Indy. Just a thought. |  | | |  |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 18:59 - Dec 22 with 466 views | johnlangy |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 18:32 - Dec 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Points well made, I cannot argue against them. All I can do is say the same things that applies to all of us, we'll have to wait and see.
For all the predictions that have been, or will be made on this forum, all any of us can do is wait and see.
Personally, I largely agree with Gwyn on this, we could and should have a better relationship with the EU and it is possible but there is one very big thing that needs to happen to mkae that possible....politicians on both sides need to start acting in the best interests of the people and stop acting out of self interest. |
Points well made by you cat as well.
Labour are starting the process of building those better relationships and that may well lead to them looking to go a huge stage further, ie the second ref. If they think it's a vote winner we all know how it will go.
The last part about politicians working in our best interests ! A concept i'm not familiar with. Sorry. | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 19:25 - Dec 22 with 431 views | Whiterockin |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 18:32 - Dec 22 by SullutaCreturned |
Points well made, I cannot argue against them. All I can do is say the same things that applies to all of us, we'll have to wait and see.
For all the predictions that have been, or will be made on this forum, all any of us can do is wait and see.
Personally, I largely agree with Gwyn on this, we could and should have a better relationship with the EU and it is possible but there is one very big thing that needs to happen to mkae that possible....politicians on both sides need to start acting in the best interests of the people and stop acting out of self interest. |
Europe was never going to make it easy for us when we left, the last thing they wanted was a prosperous UK after leaving, there would be no EU everyone would have left. The EU is in decline in many ways, they would be willing to negotiate better deals now because they need them. Realistically we need to review in 10 years time to see where we are, the EU is changing. |  | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 19:30 - Dec 22 with 415 views | waynekerr55 |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 15:18 - Dec 22 by onehunglow |
You ok now Wayne
Best for the festive season
It’ll soon be over  |
Back on my feet and first gym session on Thursday
Hope to get 3 in this week
Festive greetings to you and Maggie my chum |  |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 21:00 - Dec 22 with 360 views | onehunglow |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 19:30 - Dec 22 by waynekerr55 |
Back on my feet and first gym session on Thursday
Hope to get 3 in this week
Festive greetings to you and Maggie my chum |
Et tu Brutus | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 01:08 - Dec 23 with 275 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 18:43 - Dec 22 by SullutaCreturned |
In which case, anybody who lives, works and contributes to the UK is British, you may well have a different view but to deny that would be hypocrisy, we all pay our income tax to Westminster. |
Well no.
The correct extrapolation relates to England, Scotland, and whole of the island of Ireland.
Britain is an outdated politcal union, imposed originally by force of arms.
Your passport, your taxes, and your BBC reflect that fact.
I was talking about nations, like Wales. |  |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 09:05 - Dec 23 with 236 views | Boundy |
You only have to go back 80 odd years ago some German military maps of the era didn't even have Wales marked on their maps | |
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| Second BREXIT Referendum on 18:29 - Dec 24 with 104 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 01:08 - Dec 23 by Kilkennyjack |
Well no.
The correct extrapolation relates to England, Scotland, and whole of the island of Ireland.
Britain is an outdated politcal union, imposed originally by force of arms.
Your passport, your taxes, and your BBC reflect that fact.
I was talking about nations, like Wales. |
Well the UK is the only Sovereign nation and the 4 members of that union are there with the blessing of the majorities of their electorate, none of the 4 nations has yet had a majority demanding to leave so unsurprisingly, you are wrong again...oh and a hypocrite too.
How many nations can you name that didn't come about by force of arms?
AHhhh, you were talking about nations, well the UK is a nation, a siovereign nation recognised by and a member of the United Nations, which Wales is not. | | | |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 20:45 - Dec 25 with 17 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Second BREXIT Referendum on 09:05 - Dec 23 by Boundy |
You only have to go back 80 odd years ago some German military maps of the era didn't even have Wales marked on their maps |
Ignoring the obvious question about why anybody might want to study 80 year old Nazi maps, i will ask a secondary question instead - why do you think the German maps were so incorrect ? | |
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