| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 12:04 - Jul 17 with 1197 views | union_jack |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:03 - Jul 16 by Whiterockin |
Plaid need to drop the independence mantra, show us they can run Wales properly for 20 years then have a referendum. |
It’s all they’ve got! |  |
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 12:15 - Jul 17 with 1177 views | onehunglow |
Ok,so I’m anti Wales/ Swansea and the concept of the black Hole but does this not show Wales to be incapable of running its affairs .
Nothing but incompetence and discord ,the poorest part of the UK in many facets yet still votes for more.
Until people wake the fook up,this will carry on exponentially . |  |
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 13:47 - Jul 17 with 1141 views | Jack11 |
I'm sorry but Jeremy Miles comes out of this with no credit. I hope his race is run after failing against Gething. He has put party before country by not resigning sooner and his snidey comments about Mike Hedges in those leaked texts are not becoming of a leader. | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:38 - Jul 17 with 1053 views | johnlangy |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 19:08 - Jul 16 by Flashberryjack |
Lets have a referendum on whether the people of Wales want the Senedd in the first place, then if the answer is yes, vote for your party of choice, if no, job done. |
This has been said so many times and I don't understand why everyone hasn't got the message yet.
What's the point of wasting all that time and energy and money on it when in elections the 'Abolish The Assembly' party (I think they're still called that) get about 2% of the vote. | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:50 - Jul 17 with 1029 views | johnlangy |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 19:33 - Jul 16 by SullutaCreturned |
In recent weeks us and Scotland have turned back strongly to Labour and kicked the tories and SNP into the long grass. Independence for Sctland now looks a long way off and according to Trampie when the Scots went we wouldn't be far behind, it looks a silly idea right now.
Plaid need to bite that bullet and say if given a chance to govern Wales they will prove we can stand alone first and then have an indy referendum. Then it's down to them to prove they're right.
If the pledge became to hold a referendum in no less than 10 years of a Plaid government, I could live with that. Welsh Labour have had 25 years and been a let down. Somebody has to be better. |
As far as I can see cat you've answered yourself in your post.
If Plaid were to be voted in to run the Senedd there's no way they'd ever call a referendum unless the yes numbers were shown consistently to be well over 50%. And that would take at least ten years imo.
If they were a failure the yes numbers would go down so there'd be no referendum. On the other hand if they did well the numbers would go up so that eventually we'd have one..
In my previous post I said there's no real demand to abolish the Senedd so the question is who do we want to run it. It will never be the Conservatives or Lib Dems so that leaves Labour and Plaid.
Labour are on a slippery slope in Wales in spite of the GE result. In 2026 they are going to finally lose their control of the Senedd.
When that happens the only alternative is Plaid. | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 19:02 - Jul 17 with 1017 views | Whiterockin |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:50 - Jul 17 by johnlangy |
As far as I can see cat you've answered yourself in your post.
If Plaid were to be voted in to run the Senedd there's no way they'd ever call a referendum unless the yes numbers were shown consistently to be well over 50%. And that would take at least ten years imo.
If they were a failure the yes numbers would go down so there'd be no referendum. On the other hand if they did well the numbers would go up so that eventually we'd have one..
In my previous post I said there's no real demand to abolish the Senedd so the question is who do we want to run it. It will never be the Conservatives or Lib Dems so that leaves Labour and Plaid.
Labour are on a slippery slope in Wales in spite of the GE result. In 2026 they are going to finally lose their control of the Senedd.
When that happens the only alternative is Plaid. |
Or Reform on a platform of a referendum. whether to scrap the Senedd or not. |  | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 20:19 - Jul 17 with 963 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:50 - Jul 17 by johnlangy |
As far as I can see cat you've answered yourself in your post.
If Plaid were to be voted in to run the Senedd there's no way they'd ever call a referendum unless the yes numbers were shown consistently to be well over 50%. And that would take at least ten years imo.
If they were a failure the yes numbers would go down so there'd be no referendum. On the other hand if they did well the numbers would go up so that eventually we'd have one..
In my previous post I said there's no real demand to abolish the Senedd so the question is who do we want to run it. It will never be the Conservatives or Lib Dems so that leaves Labour and Plaid.
Labour are on a slippery slope in Wales in spite of the GE result. In 2026 they are going to finally lose their control of the Senedd.
When that happens the only alternative is Plaid. |
Ah but with all that's happened the demand to abolish the Senedd could have grown and there was a sizeable support if a minority..
Ap Iorwerth is much better than Price and I could be persuaded to vote for him because lets face it...RT Davies? So we'll have to see who replaces Gething and how well they do. | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 20:51 - Jul 17 with 932 views | Flashberryjack |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:38 - Jul 17 by johnlangy |
This has been said so many times and I don't understand why everyone hasn't got the message yet.
What's the point of wasting all that time and energy and money on it when in elections the 'Abolish The Assembly' party (I think they're still called that) get about 2% of the vote. |
Wasn't that in the General elections ?
I think, if there was an "Abolish the Senedd party" in the Senedd elections, I think the result would be very, very different, that's from what I'm hearing from the majority of people I speak to. |  |
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 21:59 - Jul 17 with 893 views | johnlangy |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 19:02 - Jul 17 by Whiterockin |
Or Reform on a platform of a referendum. whether to scrap the Senedd or not. |
I take it you didn't read my comment just two posts back (two back from your post). | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 22:19 - Jul 17 with 883 views | johnlangy |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 20:19 - Jul 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Ah but with all that's happened the demand to abolish the Senedd could have grown and there was a sizeable support if a minority..
Ap Iorwerth is much better than Price and I could be persuaded to vote for him because lets face it...RT Davies? So we'll have to see who replaces Gething and how well they do. |
The sizeable support you refer to was 1.6% in the Constituency vote and 3.7% in the regional vote. And that 3.7 was 0.7 down from the previous election.
A minority yes, a sizeable minority no. | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 15:27 - Jul 18 with 768 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 22:19 - Jul 17 by johnlangy |
The sizeable support you refer to was 1.6% in the Constituency vote and 3.7% in the regional vote. And that 3.7 was 0.7 down from the previous election.
A minority yes, a sizeable minority no. |
Thing is, John, most people in Wales don't bother voting in Senedd elections but most people do vote in GE's so ask yourself why? Even the last GE whic hd a low turnout got around an 11% higher turnout than the Senedd. The GE turnout is usally 17-20% more than the Senedd elections.
What if all those non voters or at least a sizeable chunk of them would vote if we had that referendum?
Then consider how close the original vote was, even closer than brexit and eople clamour for another vote there. We got that brexit vote despite the "experts" lining up to claim that remain was a done deal, there was no hope for the leave camp. You are saying a similar thing about the anti senedd vote bt who really knows? | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 15:55 - Jul 18 with 739 views | Whiterockin |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 15:27 - Jul 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is, John, most people in Wales don't bother voting in Senedd elections but most people do vote in GE's so ask yourself why? Even the last GE whic hd a low turnout got around an 11% higher turnout than the Senedd. The GE turnout is usally 17-20% more than the Senedd elections.
What if all those non voters or at least a sizeable chunk of them would vote if we had that referendum?
Then consider how close the original vote was, even closer than brexit and eople clamour for another vote there. We got that brexit vote despite the "experts" lining up to claim that remain was a done deal, there was no hope for the leave camp. You are saying a similar thing about the anti senedd vote bt who really knows? |
How many people have you heard say "what a waste of money that bunch in Cardiff are". From my own point of view many and the number is increasing. If there was a referendum now, without a doubt they would be gone. [Post edited 18 Jul 16:11]
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 17:15 - Jul 18 with 699 views | Boundy |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 15:55 - Jul 18 by Whiterockin |
How many people have you heard say "what a waste of money that bunch in Cardiff are". From my own point of view many and the number is increasing. If there was a referendum now, without a doubt they would be gone. [Post edited 18 Jul 16:11]
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The 20mph debacle has opened the eyes of many of what's been happening in the Senedd and welsh politics in general ,so yes I agree I think many would be happy to see it gone.In any case hopefully at the very least this should be a wake call to those who govern us. | |
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 17:25 - Jul 18 with 681 views | raynor94 |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 17:15 - Jul 18 by Boundy |
The 20mph debacle has opened the eyes of many of what's been happening in the Senedd and welsh politics in general ,so yes I agree I think many would be happy to see it gone.In any case hopefully at the very least this should be a wake call to those who govern us. |
Couldn't agree more, this assembly has taken us backwards not forwards. |  |
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 17:44 - Jul 18 with 664 views | onehunglow |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 15:55 - Jul 18 by Whiterockin |
How many people have you heard say "what a waste of money that bunch in Cardiff are". From my own point of view many and the number is increasing. If there was a referendum now, without a doubt they would be gone. [Post edited 18 Jul 16:11]
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After pleading for a firm of self government ,we see the result ,which for Wales is ensuring the capital is looked after and its image as glorious as possible .
Bugger the rest of Wales
A chasm between Caernarfon and Cardiff .
Self government for whom exactly | |
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:44 - Jul 18 with 637 views | johnlangy |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 15:27 - Jul 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Thing is, John, most people in Wales don't bother voting in Senedd elections but most people do vote in GE's so ask yourself why? Even the last GE whic hd a low turnout got around an 11% higher turnout than the Senedd. The GE turnout is usally 17-20% more than the Senedd elections.
What if all those non voters or at least a sizeable chunk of them would vote if we had that referendum?
Then consider how close the original vote was, even closer than brexit and eople clamour for another vote there. We got that brexit vote despite the "experts" lining up to claim that remain was a done deal, there was no hope for the leave camp. You are saying a similar thing about the anti senedd vote bt who really knows? |
You're right cat to say who really knows. But in the meantime we can only really make a judgement based on how people voted in previous elections.
We can't make a judgement about people who don't vote.
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 19:57 - Jul 18 with 582 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:44 - Jul 18 by johnlangy |
You're right cat to say who really knows. But in the meantime we can only really make a judgement based on how people voted in previous elections.
We can't make a judgement about people who don't vote.
Because we don't know how they'd vote |
That's the thing though, we'll get refused another vote on the grounds that not enough people want it and I don't trust the polls OR the powers that be because I'm 100% certain the Senedd members will do their best to never have one.
It's about self preservation, their not good enough to get to Westminster so they want their little parochial gravy train. | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 05:54 - Jul 19 with 510 views | Whiterockin |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:44 - Jul 18 by johnlangy |
You're right cat to say who really knows. But in the meantime we can only really make a judgement based on how people voted in previous elections.
We can't make a judgement about people who don't vote.
Because we don't know how they'd vote |
It's hard to judge on previous elections and voting trends when you throw Reform into the mix, just look at the last general election as an example, very large numbers voted for them.
Reform say the are actively going to challenge for every seat in the next Senedd election, they want to keep momentum for the next general election. If as I say they include a referendum on keeping the Senedd IMO they will get enough seats to get it through. Unless Labour sort themselves out immediately that election will be very soon. The old mantra that you could put a red rosette on a sheep and they would get voted in is failing fast, remember Labour no longer have control of the Senedd. Times are quickly changing, any Senedd election will include extra Senedd members and the Welsh public can also see that as a waste of money. Reform will have a field day. | | | |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 08:46 - Jul 19 with 436 views | onehunglow |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 18:44 - Jul 18 by johnlangy |
You're right cat to say who really knows. But in the meantime we can only really make a judgement based on how people voted in previous elections.
We can't make a judgement about people who don't vote.
Because we don't know how they'd vote |
Until I was 17 I always was wanting an independent Wales .
When I got into the workplace and travelled around,it struck me as to how insular we were as a country and culturally divided.
I d never been to north Wales until I was 16 and that to Pwllheli but being Butlins,it was rather an England enclave .
It was forty years later before I returned to the Llyn and the milieu is utterly different to southern industrial Wales and people think differently .
Plaid are and always will be rock solid in Gwynedd because of Welsh culture there .
Nice part of the world . | |
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| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 16:28 - Jul 19 with 384 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Four Welsh Labour ministers resign ... on 15:55 - Jul 18 by Whiterockin |
How many people have you heard say "what a waste of money that bunch in Cardiff are". From my own point of view many and the number is increasing. If there was a referendum now, without a doubt they would be gone. [Post edited 18 Jul 16:11]
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Yes, I do hear it a lot, mainly because I keep saying it at every new debacle. Thing is, we also hear that a lot about Westminster, does that mean we want the EU?
There is only one way to knw for sure and as I already said, that lot in Caerdydd bay will never willingly do it. | | | |
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