| Tata Steel 19:27 - Jun 27 with 7544 views | raynor94 |
Have responded to the strikes, by fetching forward the shutdown of both Furnaces from September to July 7th.
What a sad situation, this will be the decimation of Port Talbot as a Town [Post edited 27 Jun 19:27]
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| Tata Steel on 10:27 - Jun 28 with 1258 views | raynor94 |
| Tata Steel on 10:19 - Jun 28 by blackswan |
No the steel from an electric arc is poor quality recycled scrap and as it technology stands atm couldn't supply Trostre tin plate works! However hydrogen furnaces which are being done on the continent can produce high quality virgin steel needed for construction |
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| Tata Steel on 10:58 - Jun 28 with 1247 views | union_jack |
| Tata Steel on 23:01 - Jun 27 by max936 |
If it my youngest wasn't the way he is I'd have pushed and pushed my Mrs for us to have moved abroad.
My eldest has just been diagnosed with Ankylosing spondylitis now as well, struggling with back pain and his left knee swelling, it never ends in this house, we need a sunnier warmer climate  |
Sorry to hear that Max.
All the best to you and yours. |  |
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| Tata Steel on 11:02 - Jun 28 with 1232 views | Boundy |
| Tata Steel on 10:19 - Jun 28 by blackswan |
No the steel from an electric arc is poor quality recycled scrap and as it technology stands atm couldn't supply Trostre tin plate works! However hydrogen furnaces which are being done on the continent can produce high quality virgin steel needed for construction |
How much of that technology could be installed at Port Talbot , all or nothing ? |  |
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| Tata Steel on 11:26 - Jun 28 with 1197 views | blackswan |
| Tata Steel on 11:02 - Jun 28 by Boundy |
How much of that technology could be installed at Port Talbot , all or nothing ? |
All of it the site is huge! but will the incoming government realise the importance of being able to make virgin steel? If the country is serious about taking advantage of new green technologies it will be vital | | | |
| Tata Steel on 11:35 - Jun 28 with 1193 views | AnotherJohn |
| Tata Steel on 08:56 - Jun 28 by blackswan |
Government need to withdraw the 500 million and tell tata you have two options close it give everyone their redundancy money and pay for the dismantling of the plant ir here's a pound walk away. Then we need a Government owned state of the art steel works with arc and hydrogen furnaces so we can make virgin steel. All Government projects to use steel made here low carbon self sufficient green steel |
The electric arc furnace only plan was never very attractive. Somehow or other we needed our UK or Welsh Government to come up with a deal similar to the one Tata agreed in the Netherlands, or otherwise go down a nationalisation route, justified by the need to safeguard a strategic asset.
https://www.gem.wiki/Tata_Steel_IJmuiden_steel_plant
https://www.aist.org/steel-news/steel-news/2022/september/12-16-september-2022/t
The IJmuiden plant will be able to process pig iron using DRI/EAF technology - perhaps fueled by hydrogen, perhaps gas. In other words it adds a "direct reduced iron" front end to the electric arc furnace so that it can make virgin steel, rather than just using scrap. [Post edited 28 Jun 11:37]
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| Tata Steel on 12:02 - Jun 28 with 1126 views | controversial_jack |
| Tata Steel on 11:26 - Jun 28 by blackswan |
All of it the site is huge! but will the incoming government realise the importance of being able to make virgin steel? If the country is serious about taking advantage of new green technologies it will be vital |
It's not down to the govt though, Tata is a corp and can do what it likes, a foreign one at that too | | | |
| Tata Steel on 13:25 - Jun 28 with 1117 views | Boundy |
| Tata Steel on 11:26 - Jun 28 by blackswan |
All of it the site is huge! but will the incoming government realise the importance of being able to make virgin steel? If the country is serious about taking advantage of new green technologies it will be vital |
You'd like to think despite all the shenanigans from all political party's someone will have the intelligence to realise the importance of producing pur own steel, they're wasting billions on a train set which will benefit who exactly ( I wonder where the steel is coming from to build it), Not simple I know but buy it off tata ,this should then secure many jobs and allow the country actually ptifuce something substantial | |
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| Tata Steel on 13:43 - Jun 28 with 1103 views | onehunglow |
| Tata Steel on 23:01 - Jun 27 by max936 |
If it my youngest wasn't the way he is I'd have pushed and pushed my Mrs for us to have moved abroad.
My eldest has just been diagnosed with Ankylosing spondylitis now as well, struggling with back pain and his left knee swelling, it never ends in this house, we need a sunnier warmer climate |
Thatās a tw@t Ste.
Thoughts with you and family
Itās fookn cooking here ( Kefalonia)
Got lost and asked a young teen girl where bus stop( stasi) was.
She laughed her head off and gave me a kiss on the cheek.
Not sure if I got it right
Greeks not easy | |
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| Tata Steel on 13:50 - Jun 28 with 1096 views | union_jack |
| Tata Steel on 13:43 - Jun 28 by onehunglow |
Thatās a tw@t Ste.
Thoughts with you and family
Itās fookn cooking here ( Kefalonia)
Got lost and asked a young teen girl where bus stop( stasi) was.
She laughed her head off and gave me a kiss on the cheek.
Not sure if I got it right
Greeks not easy |
Donāt you go missing too for goodness sake!!š | |
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| Tata Steel on 14:44 - Jun 28 with 1052 views | Dr_Winston |
| Tata Steel on 13:25 - Jun 28 by Boundy |
You'd like to think despite all the shenanigans from all political party's someone will have the intelligence to realise the importance of producing pur own steel, they're wasting billions on a train set which will benefit who exactly ( I wonder where the steel is coming from to build it), Not simple I know but buy it off tata ,this should then secure many jobs and allow the country actually ptifuce something substantial |
The problem is that we don't produce our own steel. Not really. We have to import iron ore to do it, so logistically and in terms of national defence it makes no real difference to just import the finished product anyway and pretend that we haven't generated any carbon in the process.
The MoD's takeover of Sheffield Forgemasters has secured the specialist smelting expertise that we need for military purposes, and Arc furnaces can probably take care of a lot of the rest. |  |
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| Tata Steel on 15:27 - Jun 28 with 1037 views | onehunglow |
| Tata Steel on 13:50 - Jun 28 by union_jack |
Donāt you go missing too for goodness sake!!š |
Thanks friend.
Youāre in a minority.
We always like to go off the beaten track and today was no different .
Ended up running for the bus when we spotted it. Driver stopped
74 and 72 yr olds laden with rucksack each in stifling heat .
Comical enough for driver to stop ,between stops.
Anyway.,back on track,Winston is again bang on the money
Itās a shame but inevitable but our country should have diversified and adapted earlier and better
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| Tata Steel on 16:01 - Jun 28 with 1026 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tata Steel on 13:43 - Jun 28 by onehunglow |
Thatās a tw@t Ste.
Thoughts with you and family
Itās fookn cooking here ( Kefalonia)
Got lost and asked a young teen girl where bus stop( stasi) was.
She laughed her head off and gave me a kiss on the cheek.
Not sure if I got it right
Greeks not easy |
I think you said "stand" according to google!
If none of the UK governments can see that losing virgin steel production in the UK is a massive mistake then all hope is lost. It proves they have very little care for our future. | | | |
| Tata Steel on 16:15 - Jun 28 with 1016 views | AnotherJohn |
| Tata Steel on 14:44 - Jun 28 by Dr_Winston |
The problem is that we don't produce our own steel. Not really. We have to import iron ore to do it, so logistically and in terms of national defence it makes no real difference to just import the finished product anyway and pretend that we haven't generated any carbon in the process.
The MoD's takeover of Sheffield Forgemasters has secured the specialist smelting expertise that we need for military purposes, and Arc furnaces can probably take care of a lot of the rest. |
Guess this is right overall. However, the caveat is that we do still have substantial iron ore reserves; it is just cheaper to import. It could argued that this makes a difference if we are talking about a strategic asset. | | | |
| Tata Steel on 15:47 - Jun 29 with 896 views | sons_of_omri |
Privatisation only benefits the government in charge for the short term. We are now seeing the mid to long term effects unfolding and the DeāAth of a town and many many supporting businesses. Dreadful.
The government should have bought it back off them - that steel is not going to be good enough for our armed forces for Tanks and other armoured kit. What are we going to do when weāre at war , buy virgin steel of our enemies???? | | | |
| Tata Steel on 16:22 - Jun 29 with 885 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tata Steel on 15:47 - Jun 29 by sons_of_omri |
Privatisation only benefits the government in charge for the short term. We are now seeing the mid to long term effects unfolding and the DeāAth of a town and many many supporting businesses. Dreadful.
The government should have bought it back off them - that steel is not going to be good enough for our armed forces for Tanks and other armoured kit. What are we going to do when weāre at war , buy virgin steel of our enemies???? |
Yes and many people, including some not so bright people, can see that yet the politicians seem blind to the obvious. | | | |
| Tata Steel on 17:09 - Jun 29 with 836 views | controversial_jack |
| Tata Steel on 15:47 - Jun 29 by sons_of_omri |
Privatisation only benefits the government in charge for the short term. We are now seeing the mid to long term effects unfolding and the DeāAth of a town and many many supporting businesses. Dreadful.
The government should have bought it back off them - that steel is not going to be good enough for our armed forces for Tanks and other armoured kit. What are we going to do when weāre at war , buy virgin steel of our enemies???? |
That goes against the Conservative ideology of taking industry and utilities out of state hands and into the private sector.They were never going to nationalise it | | | |
| Tata Steel on 17:21 - Jun 29 with 855 views | Wingstandwood |
I worked there as a steel erector months out of school on a Otto Simon Carves Ltd subcontract and despite not being employed by British Steel I have an affinity with the place, ditto seeing the the steelworks when returning from away trips meant "I'm home".
I do not know how many it employed at its peak but I guess its many, many thousands. Places like that were and are vital for the local economy. I find the whole situation surreal i.e. the U.K a country without real blastfurnaces, without manufacturing industry, no full strength military, family silver sold off, once efficent services (e.g. tax offices) understaffed and overwhelmed, or not there in many instances e.g. NHS dentistry.
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| Tata Steel on 18:19 - Jun 29 with 811 views | builthjack |
The trouble now, in all workplaces, is that people expect a big salary for a 35 - 37 hour working week. Thatās 3 - 3.5 days work. Itās too easy. |  |
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| Tata Steel on 20:03 - Jun 29 with 763 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tata Steel on 18:19 - Jun 29 by builthjack |
The trouble now, in all workplaces, is that people expect a big salary for a 35 - 37 hour working week. Thatās 3 - 3.5 days work. Itās too easy. |
What do you call a big salary, everyone in full time work should be paid enough to live but these days it takes two full time wages to run a house.
I agree too many people expect too much though. My company is saying that this year the full time week will be cit to 35 hours and I think that's fair enough, all full time work should be 35 hours so we can have time for a decent life outside of work.
The big problem is that the guilded few work very shorter hours but get paid massive salaries. Yes footballers but senir management and look at politicians, I thnk it was George Osborne who, on, well here,
https://news.sky.com/story/george-osbornes-evening-standard-role-raises-potentia
Yet we have people accepting this kind of greed and then telling "ordinary working people" they must work longer hours for much less money. Whatever happened to levelling up? Why can't we be looking to make peoples lives better? And these people who work in offices, the politicans, civil servants, senir management, board members etc, they can carry on working in their jbs into their 70's and be ok, try doing manual labour for over 50 years.
Builthy, I find it odd from a rabid tory basher that you should say something that sounds quite tory like. We must work longer hours if we want more money OR just accept being poor. It doesn't sound like socialism to me. | | | |
| Tata Steel on 21:19 - Jun 29 with 741 views | onehunglow |
| Tata Steel on 18:19 - Jun 29 by builthjack |
The trouble now, in all workplaces, is that people expect a big salary for a 35 - 37 hour working week. Thatās 3 - 3.5 days work. Itās too easy. |
Would that be ā workersā then or the ā ordinaryā people politicians refer to.
Why would a ā workerā want more than a fellow ā workerā in another job .
Seems every one wants more money for less effort and to acquire more possessions .
Goes against the ethos of Bevin !Benn,Corbyn,Galloway, all champions of the ā workersā
Bottom line. Unions always wanted to s Red the ā bossesā no matter how much damage was done or how much inconvenience and disruption to the general public.
Now, individuals simply seem to want to be ā richerā. Odd considering being wealthy,or sending kids to better schools is anathema to them,at least in public | |
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| Tata Steel on 09:40 - Jun 30 with 640 views | controversial_jack |
A 35 hour week is fair enough if the workload is organised efficiently. Extra hours don't necessarily mean more productivity. The reason this countries workplaces are so inefficient compared to many others is a lack of investment into the businesses and a culture of cutting costs. and overheads. That philosophy will only get a business so far, and then what? | | | |
| Tata Steel on 14:12 - Jun 30 with 585 views | KeithHaynes |
| Tata Steel on 09:40 - Jun 30 by controversial_jack |
A 35 hour week is fair enough if the workload is organised efficiently. Extra hours don't necessarily mean more productivity. The reason this countries workplaces are so inefficient compared to many others is a lack of investment into the businesses and a culture of cutting costs. and overheads. That philosophy will only get a business so far, and then what? |
You end up like Swansea City š¤·š»āāļø |  |
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| Tata Steel on 15:55 - Jun 30 with 542 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Tata Steel on 09:40 - Jun 30 by controversial_jack |
A 35 hour week is fair enough if the workload is organised efficiently. Extra hours don't necessarily mean more productivity. The reason this countries workplaces are so inefficient compared to many others is a lack of investment into the businesses and a culture of cutting costs. and overheads. That philosophy will only get a business so far, and then what? |
This doesn't often happen but...that is a very good post. I know 2 workplaces where a more efficient management structure and work structure would see hours cut and more work done. I worked at one and still work at the other... | | | |
| Tata Steel on 18:16 - Jun 30 with 512 views | Wingstandwood |
Certain individuals 40 hour week(s) can never be compared; the difference is worldās apart.
Guyās pushing heavy laden barrows during a ready mix concrete shuttering pour in unbearable heat and humidity for example cannot be compared to someone working in an air-conditioned office.
And working well into late 60's is some ask, because physical demands and wear and tear of certain jobs will make that impossible. RSI and arthritis etc. Add to that the fact that testosterone levels fall by 1% each and every year after the age of 30, which means that it takes far longer for the body to recuperate
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So the gist is 40 hour weeks and late retirement is an entirely different matter for certain professions. And government ministers have failed to appreciate that and have shown staggering levels of naivety! | |
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| Tata Steel on 18:34 - Jun 30 with 499 views | max936 |
| Tata Steel on 18:16 - Jun 30 by Wingstandwood |
Certain individuals 40 hour week(s) can never be compared; the difference is worldās apart.
Guyās pushing heavy laden barrows during a ready mix concrete shuttering pour in unbearable heat and humidity for example cannot be compared to someone working in an air-conditioned office.
And working well into late 60's is some ask, because physical demands and wear and tear of certain jobs will make that impossible. RSI and arthritis etc. Add to that the fact that testosterone levels fall by 1% each and every year after the age of 30, which means that it takes far longer for the body to recuperate
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So the gist is 40 hour weeks and late retirement is an entirely different matter for certain professions. And government ministers have failed to appreciate that and have shown staggering levels of naivety! |
They just look at a specific age and decide on that and its not right to put all in the some basket. |  |
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