| Liam Kelly 20:42 - May 7 with 6649 views | somdale |
Anyone else notice him walking off after the game, with no acknowledgement to the fans, cut a sad lonely figure.
I'm guessing he is off, not the Dale fans fault though was it. |  | | |  |
| Liam Kelly on 21:06 - May 7 with 6544 views | scarrow |
Someone would have to pay - he's under contract |  |
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| Liam Kelly on 12:44 - May 8 with 5909 views | oddjob007 |
| Liam Kelly on 21:06 - May 7 by scarrow |
Someone would have to pay - he's under contract |
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| Liam Kelly on 13:15 - May 8 with 5813 views | electricblue |
Perhaps just peeved in not playing... |  |
| My all time favourite Dale player Mr Lyndon Symmonds |
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| Liam Kelly on 13:18 - May 8 with 5804 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Liam Kelly on 13:15 - May 8 by electricblue |
Perhaps just peeved in not playing... |
Or maybe needed a pee. |  |
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| Liam Kelly on 09:59 - May 9 with 5226 views | eitoof |
I'd be quite hopeful that both him and White, with a full pre season under their belts, will be better options for us next season. They are both under contract so maybe I'm just being wildly optimistic! | | | |
| Liam Kelly on 13:00 - May 9 with 4991 views | D_Alien |
| Liam Kelly on 09:59 - May 9 by eitoof |
I'd be quite hopeful that both him and White, with a full pre season under their belts, will be better options for us next season. They are both under contract so maybe I'm just being wildly optimistic! |
Even at his tender age, Brierley (with a bit of bulking out still to do) already looks physically better suited to the L2 midfield battle than Kelly, and imo there isn't room for both in the Dale midfield. I'd find it very annoying if Kelly were selected ahead of him
R White's problem isn't lack of fitness but simply being injury-prone, a problem we've had with a few players in recent years. I wouldn't bet against him not being up to a full pre-season training regime |  |
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| Liam Kelly on 14:24 - May 9 with 4807 views | DaleiLama |
| Liam Kelly on 13:00 - May 9 by D_Alien |
Even at his tender age, Brierley (with a bit of bulking out still to do) already looks physically better suited to the L2 midfield battle than Kelly, and imo there isn't room for both in the Dale midfield. I'd find it very annoying if Kelly were selected ahead of him
R White's problem isn't lack of fitness but simply being injury-prone, a problem we've had with a few players in recent years. I wouldn't bet against him not being up to a full pre-season training regime |
"R White's problem isn't lack of fitness but simply being injury-prone"..............
He did look a bit flat last time out. |  |
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| Liam Kelly on 15:54 - May 9 with 4686 views | finberty |
| Liam Kelly on 14:24 - May 9 by DaleiLama |
"R White's problem isn't lack of fitness but simply being injury-prone"..............
He did look a bit flat last time out. |
A Secret Lemonade Drinker? |  | | |
| Liam Kelly on 21:04 - May 9 with 4411 views | Shun |
| Liam Kelly on 13:00 - May 9 by D_Alien |
Even at his tender age, Brierley (with a bit of bulking out still to do) already looks physically better suited to the L2 midfield battle than Kelly, and imo there isn't room for both in the Dale midfield. I'd find it very annoying if Kelly were selected ahead of him
R White's problem isn't lack of fitness but simply being injury-prone, a problem we've had with a few players in recent years. I wouldn't bet against him not being up to a full pre-season training regime |
Depending on what formation we play next year, I think Brierley, Kelly and Ball would be a fantastic midfield. |  | | |
| Liam Kelly on 21:53 - May 9 with 4351 views | D_Alien |
| Liam Kelly on 21:04 - May 9 by Shun |
Depending on what formation we play next year, I think Brierley, Kelly and Ball would be a fantastic midfield. |
But at what stage this season has Kelly been "fantastic"? My main recollections of him are losing the ball, sometimes in critical positions, and giving away a needless penalty
We need more grit to be competitive than having both Kelly & Brierley as playmakers. One is enough, but that's just my opinion | |
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| Liam Kelly on 22:04 - May 9 with 4300 views | 442Dale |
| Liam Kelly on 21:53 - May 9 by D_Alien |
But at what stage this season has Kelly been "fantastic"? My main recollections of him are losing the ball, sometimes in critical positions, and giving away a needless penalty
We need more grit to be competitive than having both Kelly & Brierley as playmakers. One is enough, but that's just my opinion |
Would agree with that and presuming Dooley signs a new deal, any offer for Kelly should be looked at as a bonus. Brierley has shown enough in two games that he can be an asset to develop and whilst Kelly is undoubtedly a good player, he doesn’t impact games enough at this level. Would take the elusive ‘Cavanagh type’ as a straight swap tomorrow. |  |
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| Liam Kelly on 22:12 - May 9 with 4270 views | jonahwhereru |
| Liam Kelly on 21:53 - May 9 by D_Alien |
But at what stage this season has Kelly been "fantastic"? My main recollections of him are losing the ball, sometimes in critical positions, and giving away a needless penalty
We need more grit to be competitive than having both Kelly & Brierley as playmakers. One is enough, but that's just my opinion |
Odd question to put to Shun, that.
I agree that 2 play makers would be a risk in your scenario, we could afford to take it at some stage. But the risk within the risk would be playing a teenager with very limited experience as your main play maker. Kelly has some very good performances in the book in a Dale shirt, as well as some dog ones. If Brierley can keep him out of the team from early doors next season I will be thrilled, as that would make him a very sellable asset. As for Kelly he is IMO an asset at this level. | | | |
| Liam Kelly on 22:16 - May 9 with 4257 views | D_Alien |
| Liam Kelly on 22:12 - May 9 by jonahwhereru |
Odd question to put to Shun, that.
I agree that 2 play makers would be a risk in your scenario, we could afford to take it at some stage. But the risk within the risk would be playing a teenager with very limited experience as your main play maker. Kelly has some very good performances in the book in a Dale shirt, as well as some dog ones. If Brierley can keep him out of the team from early doors next season I will be thrilled, as that would make him a very sellable asset. As for Kelly he is IMO an asset at this level. |
Not at all odd!
I was enquiring, if Kelly were to be part of a "fantastic" midfield trio, on what evidence from this season was it thought that he might be fantastic?
Odd comment in reply to a fair question!! | |
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| Liam Kelly on 07:43 - May 10 with 4034 views | isitme |
| Liam Kelly on 21:53 - May 9 by D_Alien |
But at what stage this season has Kelly been "fantastic"? My main recollections of him are losing the ball, sometimes in critical positions, and giving away a needless penalty
We need more grit to be competitive than having both Kelly & Brierley as playmakers. One is enough, but that's just my opinion |
I would agree, he has been another one who has flattered to deceive. When he signed he came with a technical pedigree, took a while to get adjusted and then put in a few decent performance, but then faded towards the end of the season. I wonder if he physically cannot string together consistent performances. A league season is long and throughout his career he has been injury prone. Some players, no matter how talented they are their bodies cannot cope. Now it is always a gamble signing a 'talented', injury prone player on below market rated in the hope that his injuries are behind him, but it rarely pans out. A player's best ability is availability.
In terms of recruitment a physical holding midfielder should be a priority as our other options are fairly lightweight. Preferred formation(s) for next season will obviously affect what type of player we bring in. Playing three in midfield could mean two play makers and a sitter, although a runner in the mould of Rathbone coupled with Brierley and an experienced holding midfielder would offer more flexibility.
I would be looking for Grant to develop into a key player next year, whether that is in a number 10 role or a wide forward is anyone's guess. [Post edited 10 May 2022 7:49]
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| Liam Kelly on 10:03 - May 10 with 3873 views | DaleiLama |
| Liam Kelly on 07:43 - May 10 by isitme |
I would agree, he has been another one who has flattered to deceive. When he signed he came with a technical pedigree, took a while to get adjusted and then put in a few decent performance, but then faded towards the end of the season. I wonder if he physically cannot string together consistent performances. A league season is long and throughout his career he has been injury prone. Some players, no matter how talented they are their bodies cannot cope. Now it is always a gamble signing a 'talented', injury prone player on below market rated in the hope that his injuries are behind him, but it rarely pans out. A player's best ability is availability.
In terms of recruitment a physical holding midfielder should be a priority as our other options are fairly lightweight. Preferred formation(s) for next season will obviously affect what type of player we bring in. Playing three in midfield could mean two play makers and a sitter, although a runner in the mould of Rathbone coupled with Brierley and an experienced holding midfielder would offer more flexibility.
I would be looking for Grant to develop into a key player next year, whether that is in a number 10 role or a wide forward is anyone's guess. [Post edited 10 May 2022 7:49]
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Agree with your comments on Kelly and Newby. Gifted in some respects, flashing talent, but not consistently effective and as a result, ultimately unreliable. Not saying we'll do better from recruitment, but we should at least aspire to. | |
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| Liam Kelly on 10:16 - May 10 with 3840 views | Nigeriamark |
| Liam Kelly on 10:03 - May 10 by DaleiLama |
Agree with your comments on Kelly and Newby. Gifted in some respects, flashing talent, but not consistently effective and as a result, ultimately unreliable. Not saying we'll do better from recruitment, but we should at least aspire to. |
When we dropped a devision, I thought Newby would eat up some of the lower league defenses & score quite a few too. Probably my most disappointing player of the season compared to what I expected |  | | |
| Liam Kelly on 11:07 - May 10 with 3742 views | AtThePeake |
Am I the only one who can't see us signing another CM next season?
If we're looking for Brierley to come in and get minutes and we're expecting to play the same formation next season, it's likely he'll replace Broadbent in the squad and if the rest of our CMs remain there may not be room for that more physical ball-winner that many of us have been hoping for. |  |
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| Liam Kelly on 11:34 - May 10 with 3692 views | leedsdale |
| Liam Kelly on 11:07 - May 10 by AtThePeake |
Am I the only one who can't see us signing another CM next season?
If we're looking for Brierley to come in and get minutes and we're expecting to play the same formation next season, it's likely he'll replace Broadbent in the squad and if the rest of our CMs remain there may not be room for that more physical ball-winner that many of us have been hoping for. |
That’s partly why I thought Dooley might get moved on, just because all the other players who can play central are already under contract. I guess a change of system may make it more likely we sign someone else, but offering Clark and COK new deals would indicate wing backs will still be preferred. Maybe a 352? Interesting times |  | | |
| Liam Kelly on 11:42 - May 10 with 3659 views | EllDale |
I was under the impression that Ball had been signed to play the ballwinning CM role? | | | |
| Liam Kelly on 12:01 - May 10 with 3612 views | D_Alien |
| Liam Kelly on 11:42 - May 10 by EllDale |
I was under the impression that Ball had been signed to play the ballwinning CM role? |
He certainly adds strength to the midfield, and has been difficult to knock off the ball when in possession. His main asset though seems to be as a box-to-box type with an eye for goal, whereas i think we'd benefit from a deeper-lying enforcer type who's not too concerned about getting forward. Whether that'd mean reverting to a back four is another matter | |
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| Liam Kelly on 12:07 - May 10 with 3590 views | richfoad32 |
| Liam Kelly on 12:01 - May 10 by D_Alien |
He certainly adds strength to the midfield, and has been difficult to knock off the ball when in possession. His main asset though seems to be as a box-to-box type with an eye for goal, whereas i think we'd benefit from a deeper-lying enforcer type who's not too concerned about getting forward. Whether that'd mean reverting to a back four is another matter |
I'm not as high on Ball as others seem to be. He chipped in with a couple of crucial goals and is useful in the air but I'm still not sure where his best position is. At times he just seemed like a mild improvement on Shaugnessy. I realise he was making the step up from non league andd will benefit from a full pre season. | | | |
| Liam Kelly on 12:18 - May 10 with 3558 views | D_Alien |
| Liam Kelly on 12:07 - May 10 by richfoad32 |
I'm not as high on Ball as others seem to be. He chipped in with a couple of crucial goals and is useful in the air but I'm still not sure where his best position is. At times he just seemed like a mild improvement on Shaugnessy. I realise he was making the step up from non league andd will benefit from a full pre season. |
I do know what you mean about his position, i think the point i was making was he's not the midfield terrier type
In terms of adding character to the midfield, what stood out for me (apart from his composure) was making sure the opposition knew they couldn't mess about with our younger and less physical lads - not without having him put himself in the way. That counts for a great deal imo, especially with Grant and now Brierley making progress | |
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| Liam Kelly on 12:31 - May 10 with 3501 views | jonahwhereru |
| Liam Kelly on 22:16 - May 9 by D_Alien |
Not at all odd!
I was enquiring, if Kelly were to be part of a "fantastic" midfield trio, on what evidence from this season was it thought that he might be fantastic?
Odd comment in reply to a fair question!! |
The potential for the whole to be better than the sum of the parts may be!
Perhaps a mooted example, Brown and Cole when not played in tandem we average, but together they clicked and were far better as a partnership. Holness and Dawson were very good together, but for that to be so didn’t require Holness to have previously proved he was very good in his own right. | | | |
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