| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 22:26 - Mar 2 with 4157 views | Boundy |
Hywel Williams, the Welsh nationalists’ " defence spokesman", really we have one of those and if so its embarrassing to think some no mark second rate politician could even think we have any similarities with what's going on in Ukraine . |  |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 22:36 - Mar 2 with 4147 views | raynor94 |
Truly shocking, I await Trampies response |  |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 22:44 - Mar 2 with 4143 views | Treforys_Jack |
Hmm, not sure what to say about that statement tbh. |  | | |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 07:41 - Mar 3 with 4059 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 22:26 - Mar 2 by Boundy |
Hywel Williams, the Welsh nationalists’ " defence spokesman", really we have one of those and if so its embarrassing to think some no mark second rate politician could even think we have any similarities with what's going on in Ukraine . |
Shows how out of touch he is with the views of 99.99% of Welsh people. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 08:07 - Mar 3 with 4045 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
How do these people get selected let alone elected? |  |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 08:25 - Mar 3 with 3996 views | trampie |
Hywel's headline - "People of Ukraine have a right to choose own future"
Within his piece Hywel says "And for us in Wales there is a particular menace in Vladimir Putin words. Ukraine is not a real country he says. It does not have a right to exist. It is he far away in Moscow who has the right to rule. We in Wales are familiar with these arguments. And here in Caernarfon we will never accept this specious speech". |  |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 08:44 - Mar 3 with 3964 views | trampie |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 08:07 - Mar 3 by JACKMANANDBOY |
How do these people get selected let alone elected? |
He has been seemingly a good candidate for decades, taking partisan party politics out of it, purely just voting for a representative of the area I would be surprised if you yourself didn't vote for him, is your local MP as good as Hywel Williams? | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:32 - Mar 3 with 3947 views | onehunglow |
If Palid were in power then any country at all would be able to invade and take over within a day.
This statement disgusts all surely.
We are seeing thouands killed ,kids included, a whole massive country under the Russian jackboot. How many tanks have rolled into Wales,how many columns of soldiers have shot up Ely,The Hafod and Aberdare.
Palid are a shameful stain on Wales,a pacifist ,feckles and irrelevant bunch of hypocrites without the sense to see how England has stopped Wales from starvation.
To make any comparisons with Ukraine is appalling.
I pray this stays inhouse as I feel filthy simply reading such garbage.
Is this where Wales is. Permanently suffering from chip on shoulder? | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:37 - Mar 3 with 3919 views | trampie |
The people have a right to choose, people with little Englander mentality and imperialists might not like it but that is what decent people think that people should have the right to choose. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:40 - Mar 3 with 3926 views | onehunglow |
Wales is not a sovereign country
It is not on the flag of the United Kingdom -OUR -country,the country of your passport ,apart from Eire that is.
Wales was incorporated into England by the Act of Union;it's why it doesn't feature of the UK flag. For many/most outside Wales it is not a proper country.Fact.
Ukraine is.
It is that simple. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:49 - Mar 3 with 3913 views | union_jack |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:32 - Mar 3 by onehunglow |
If Palid were in power then any country at all would be able to invade and take over within a day.
This statement disgusts all surely.
We are seeing thouands killed ,kids included, a whole massive country under the Russian jackboot. How many tanks have rolled into Wales,how many columns of soldiers have shot up Ely,The Hafod and Aberdare.
Palid are a shameful stain on Wales,a pacifist ,feckles and irrelevant bunch of hypocrites without the sense to see how England has stopped Wales from starvation.
To make any comparisons with Ukraine is appalling.
I pray this stays inhouse as I feel filthy simply reading such garbage.
Is this where Wales is. Permanently suffering from chip on shoulder? |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:55 - Mar 3 with 3904 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 08:44 - Mar 3 by trampie |
He has been seemingly a good candidate for decades, taking partisan party politics out of it, purely just voting for a representative of the area I would be surprised if you yourself didn't vote for him, is your local MP as good as Hywel Williams? |
It's not about politics it's about judgement. How on this day can anyone, let alone an MP, draw a comparison to the situation in Ukraine where women and children are being killed in large numbers and the situation in Wales? His mind is distorted. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:57 - Mar 3 with 3880 views | trampie |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:55 - Mar 3 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's not about politics it's about judgement. How on this day can anyone, let alone an MP, draw a comparison to the situation in Ukraine where women and children are being killed in large numbers and the situation in Wales? His mind is distorted. |
He is talking about self determination, right to exist, not tanks rolling in. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:00 - Mar 3 with 3873 views | trampie |
http://www.aberdareonline.co.uk/node/16319
The Aberdare Leader speaks and says Wales is a country, that is often the be all and end all when the Aberdare Leader speaks. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:00 - Mar 3 with 3892 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:57 - Mar 3 by trampie |
He is talking about self determination, right to exist, not tanks rolling in. |
Exactly, to raise the issue of Ukraine is at best moronic, people are dying in their thousands, repeat dying in their thousands......think about it. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:05 - Mar 3 with 3858 views | trampie |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:00 - Mar 3 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Exactly, to raise the issue of Ukraine is at best moronic, people are dying in their thousands, repeat dying in their thousands......think about it. |
He wasn't raising the issue of Ukraine he was speaking about Ukraine.
He was in Wales addressing a few hundred local people in his area talking about the awful situation in Ukraine and supporting the Ukrainian people. [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 10:10]
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:08 - Mar 3 with 3865 views | onehunglow |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:55 - Mar 3 by JACKMANANDBOY |
It's not about politics it's about judgement. How on this day can anyone, let alone an MP, draw a comparison to the situation in Ukraine where women and children are being killed in large numbers and the situation in Wales? His mind is distorted. |
Hence my comments which are not meant as anti Welsh,nomatter that some will see them that way.
Wales has not suffered at the hands of the English in any way comparable.
England has not invaded . Buying up derelict homes ,then employing local people isn't what normal people would call invasion.
Invasion is what we are seeing
As I say,trampie and killy are prefect examples of those who post racist ,hate filled posts and will use any situation to justify their pitifully insular narrative. Thank God they represent a tiny minority of Welsh people are are,by and large,fine people .
My opinion . | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:17 - Mar 3 with 3855 views | Catullus |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 09:37 - Mar 3 by trampie |
The people have a right to choose, people with little Englander mentality and imperialists might not like it but that is what decent people think that people should have the right to choose. |
So you are saying that decent people agree with you then?
If we don't then we are little Englanders and imperialists?
Insulting much?
PS, people do have the right to choose, Scotland got their vote and chose the Union. Here in Wales the majority want to remain in the Union too. [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 10:18]
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:17 - Mar 3 with 3854 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:05 - Mar 3 by trampie |
He wasn't raising the issue of Ukraine he was speaking about Ukraine.
He was in Wales addressing a few hundred local people in his area talking about the awful situation in Ukraine and supporting the Ukrainian people. [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 10:10]
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Let's be absolutely clear a Plaid Cymru MP has likened Vladimir Putin’s claim of a right to rule Ukraine to the treatment of Wales.
You may be quite happy for him to reflect on the mass killings and war crimes going on today to promote his political views.
100% of right thinking people will see the disgusting hideous opportunism of using the blood of women and children to try to advance his cause.
I understand thsat you are very happy with it. It's your choice. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:19 - Mar 3 with 3829 views | trampie |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:08 - Mar 3 by onehunglow |
Hence my comments which are not meant as anti Welsh,nomatter that some will see them that way.
Wales has not suffered at the hands of the English in any way comparable.
England has not invaded . Buying up derelict homes ,then employing local people isn't what normal people would call invasion.
Invasion is what we are seeing
As I say,trampie and killy are prefect examples of those who post racist ,hate filled posts and will use any situation to justify their pitifully insular narrative. Thank God they represent a tiny minority of Welsh people are are,by and large,fine people .
My opinion . |
Try telling that to someone from the middle ages, fight for independence, history didn't just happen in your lifetime you know. [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 10:28]
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:27 - Mar 3 with 3778 views | trampie |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:17 - Mar 3 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Let's be absolutely clear a Plaid Cymru MP has likened Vladimir Putin’s claim of a right to rule Ukraine to the treatment of Wales.
You may be quite happy for him to reflect on the mass killings and war crimes going on today to promote his political views.
100% of right thinking people will see the disgusting hideous opportunism of using the blood of women and children to try to advance his cause.
I understand thsat you are very happy with it. It's your choice. |
Russia's right to rule Ukraine compared to England's right to rule Wales, Wales was subjugated centuries ago with much bloodshed, does that make it right in your book ?, if it's not right now, it was not right back then, we in Wales understand Ukraine's pain, that is the point. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:36 - Mar 3 with 3781 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 10:27 - Mar 3 by trampie |
Russia's right to rule Ukraine compared to England's right to rule Wales, Wales was subjugated centuries ago with much bloodshed, does that make it right in your book ?, if it's not right now, it was not right back then, we in Wales understand Ukraine's pain, that is the point. |
Here's an intelligent mature response to complete idiots trying conflate unrelated matters.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coveney-rejects-lavrov-example-after-he
I guess you are with Lavrov on this one. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 11:17 - Mar 3 with 3713 views | trampie |
What is noticeable is that people that are sympathetic to the Ukraine are the ones getting attacked, Plaids leader and a Labour left winger both went to Ukraine to show solidarity, yet Plaid and Labours left are getting attacked.....hmm [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 11:34]
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 12:08 - Mar 3 with 3695 views | Catullus |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 11:17 - Mar 3 by trampie |
What is noticeable is that people that are sympathetic to the Ukraine are the ones getting attacked, Plaids leader and a Labour left winger both went to Ukraine to show solidarity, yet Plaid and Labours left are getting attacked.....hmm [Post edited 3 Mar 2022 11:34]
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That is utter nonsense, those two weren't attacked for showing support, they were attacked for being idiots and going there when the UK government said ALL BRITISH citizens should leave and NOBODY should travel there...because it's a war zone and not safe.
A Russian businessman, Alex Konanykhin, has put a bounty of one million dollars on Putin's head and has urged the Russian military to act. Putin isn't all that popular in all this.
Putin has told his country that any unpermitted protests will be clamped down on, ringleaders will get 15 years and any protestors will get 8 years. It's the land of the brave but definitely not a home for anyone who wants to be free. | |
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| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 12:28 - Mar 3 with 3664 views | trampie |
| Plaid MP compares Putin’s claim on Ukraine to England’s treatment of Wales on 12:08 - Mar 3 by Catullus |
That is utter nonsense, those two weren't attacked for showing support, they were attacked for being idiots and going there when the UK government said ALL BRITISH citizens should leave and NOBODY should travel there...because it's a war zone and not safe.
A Russian businessman, Alex Konanykhin, has put a bounty of one million dollars on Putin's head and has urged the Russian military to act. Putin isn't all that popular in all this.
Putin has told his country that any unpermitted protests will be clamped down on, ringleaders will get 15 years and any protestors will get 8 years. It's the land of the brave but definitely not a home for anyone who wants to be free. |
One of them has family in Ukraine.
The right wing are doing a propaganda job on people they think are on the left.:-
She talks about misleading, reports and press comments, look at Hywel Williams backing Ukraine and being attacked, look at Corbyn, that Labour guy with the Ukrainian name, Adam Price, people on the left, Labour left, Plaid are getting attacked for supporting Ukraine, it's right wing propaganda. | |
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