| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 17:43 - Mar 23 with 3549 views | D_Alien |
"Almost everyone now agrees that 2020/21 is the EFL season that should not have happened."
Not a good start to this one, i'm afraid. It's a generalised and baseless opinion presented without any context and as something more fixed, which doesn't engender confidence in the portrayal of the more localised issues |  |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 18:54 - Mar 23 with 3404 views | pioneer |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 17:43 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
"Almost everyone now agrees that 2020/21 is the EFL season that should not have happened."
Not a good start to this one, i'm afraid. It's a generalised and baseless opinion presented without any context and as something more fixed, which doesn't engender confidence in the portrayal of the more localised issues |
And football wasn’t mothballed during the war...it continued on a regional basis. |  | | |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:03 - Mar 23 with 3367 views | judd |
Good grief.
St. David - the patron saint of wails. |  |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:24 - Mar 23 with 3316 views | TVOS1907 |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 18:54 - Mar 23 by pioneer |
And football wasn’t mothballed during the war...it continued on a regional basis. |
He means the lower leagues didn't continue in the same format they had done before the War. |  |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:43 - Mar 23 with 3266 views | pioneer |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:24 - Mar 23 by TVOS1907 |
He means the lower leagues didn't continue in the same format they had done before the War. |
Odd use of the word mothballed then | | | |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:45 - Mar 23 with 3261 views | TVOS1907 |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:43 - Mar 23 by pioneer |
Odd use of the word mothballed then |
Hardly, but that's a pedantic quibble against the rest of the article. | |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:54 - Mar 23 with 3228 views | 442Dale |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 17:43 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
"Almost everyone now agrees that 2020/21 is the EFL season that should not have happened."
Not a good start to this one, i'm afraid. It's a generalised and baseless opinion presented without any context and as something more fixed, which doesn't engender confidence in the portrayal of the more localised issues |
It’s very insightful again. Interesting the choices made around when and when not to engage in communication. |  |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:09 - Mar 23 with 3182 views | D_Alien |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 19:54 - Mar 23 by 442Dale |
It’s very insightful again. Interesting the choices made around when and when not to engage in communication. |
Yes, insights are always good, and i think we're all wanting to read on for further opinions based on direct communication; or indeed lack of it
It's important that context is made clear and generalisations avoided, for the sake of clarity | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:21 - Mar 23 with 3140 views | 442Dale |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:09 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
Yes, insights are always good, and i think we're all wanting to read on for further opinions based on direct communication; or indeed lack of it
It's important that context is made clear and generalisations avoided, for the sake of clarity |
The communication thing has always been a problem at football clubs, not just Dale. It’s actually quite remarkable that clubs don’t acknowledge it as a problem across the game. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:26 - Mar 23 with 3117 views | judd |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:21 - Mar 23 by 442Dale |
The communication thing has always been a problem at football clubs, not just Dale. It’s actually quite remarkable that clubs don’t acknowledge it as a problem across the game. |
But they do, it's why we have MOUs. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:42 - Mar 23 with 3078 views | D_Alien |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:21 - Mar 23 by 442Dale |
The communication thing has always been a problem at football clubs, not just Dale. It’s actually quite remarkable that clubs don’t acknowledge it as a problem across the game. |
Perhaps there's not enough limelight, locally, to feel comfortable about speaking eloquently? | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:45 - Mar 23 with 3066 views | judd |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:42 - Mar 23 by D_Alien |
Perhaps there's not enough limelight, locally, to feel comfortable about speaking eloquently? |
Peas off | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:59 - Mar 23 with 3025 views | judd |
"Heavily in debt"
Obviously we have the pitch bill and RMBC loan, but can anyone else remember the other financial loans mentioned at the forum? | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 21:48 - Mar 23 with 2916 views | Dalenet |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 20:59 - Mar 23 by judd |
"Heavily in debt"
Obviously we have the pitch bill and RMBC loan, but can anyone else remember the other financial loans mentioned at the forum? |
didn't Mr P say we have borrowed from the EFL and had made arrangements on PAYE....although it wasn't made clear whether that was normal practice for all clubs at this stage of the pandemic or whether it was a serious cap in hand approach to help with cashflow. | | | |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 21:52 - Mar 23 with 2902 views | judd |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 21:48 - Mar 23 by Dalenet |
didn't Mr P say we have borrowed from the EFL and had made arrangements on PAYE....although it wasn't made clear whether that was normal practice for all clubs at this stage of the pandemic or whether it was a serious cap in hand approach to help with cashflow. |
I can't remember the details, sorry. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 23:05 - Mar 24 with 2501 views | judd |
I have to say that, upon reflection, this article is the cleverest , most telling forensic expression of factually based opinion in defining the San Andreas fault line causing our crumbling structure. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 03:40 - Mar 26 with 2241 views | James1980 |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 21:48 - Mar 23 by Dalenet |
didn't Mr P say we have borrowed from the EFL and had made arrangements on PAYE....although it wasn't made clear whether that was normal practice for all clubs at this stage of the pandemic or whether it was a serious cap in hand approach to help with cashflow. |
Wasn't there a comment about possibly having to get emergency funding from the EFL but that would be a last resort because of sanctions like one in one out transfers.
Has this part of Inside the Boardroom not been so well received because it dared to state DB is a passionate Rochdale fan and doesn't demand his removal from the club? | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 06:30 - Mar 26 with 2207 views | pioneer |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 03:40 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
Wasn't there a comment about possibly having to get emergency funding from the EFL but that would be a last resort because of sanctions like one in one out transfers.
Has this part of Inside the Boardroom not been so well received because it dared to state DB is a passionate Rochdale fan and doesn't demand his removal from the club? |
Not at all. Being a passionate fan is not a criteria being a good CEO. There is a lot of passion on this board but I dont expect many would want to apply for the job and I would hope none of them would get it. Being a passionate fan could get in the way of doing what a good CEO might have to do.
I think the problem some people have is the lack of competition for the position and possibly the lack of any criteria for the position against which candidates (oops the only candidate?) could be judged. | | | |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 07:29 - Mar 26 with 2167 views | James1980 |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 06:30 - Mar 26 by pioneer |
Not at all. Being a passionate fan is not a criteria being a good CEO. There is a lot of passion on this board but I dont expect many would want to apply for the job and I would hope none of them would get it. Being a passionate fan could get in the way of doing what a good CEO might have to do.
I think the problem some people have is the lack of competition for the position and possibly the lack of any criteria for the position against which candidates (oops the only candidate?) could be judged. |
I am not saying there are no problems clearly there are but I am starting to think (sorry I'm not going to stop, it's all I have in my life) nothing they can do is right and it will be met with derision and or suspicion. It seems the only things that will receive a truly positive response are the tearing up of two contracts. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 08:06 - Mar 26 with 2136 views | judd |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 03:40 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
Wasn't there a comment about possibly having to get emergency funding from the EFL but that would be a last resort because of sanctions like one in one out transfers.
Has this part of Inside the Boardroom not been so well received because it dared to state DB is a passionate Rochdale fan and doesn't demand his removal from the club? |
Because it hasn't attracted that much comment does not necessarily reflect on how this part of the overall article has been received.
If an emanant journalist with gravitas in my particular industry said that he "believes he is taking the club into the modern age...", and could only describe me as being passionate and working long hours without citing ONE single positive achievement in my tenure, then I would be a tad concerned. (Don't forget that this journalist cites one of the criticisms of the CE of being a southerner as perhaps being unwarranted.)
If I was described as talkative, not knowing what was on or off the record, might be easy to manipulate, take deflected pride in association, I would be looking over my shoulder, not issuing that pile of crap that hit doormats and inboxes yesterday. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 08:19 - Mar 26 with 2119 views | 442Dale |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 07:29 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
I am not saying there are no problems clearly there are but I am starting to think (sorry I'm not going to stop, it's all I have in my life) nothing they can do is right and it will be met with derision and or suspicion. It seems the only things that will receive a truly positive response are the tearing up of two contracts. |
For me it has nothing to do with individuals or personalities, it’s about a culture. One which has needed to change for a very long time as mentioned previously.
As noted in the Trust statement on the 15th:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/03/trust-update-15-03-21/
<<“ For many, this will require actions rather than words, and its success will only be judged in the long term.”>>
So, as an example, also from the Trust, their statement on the 21st:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/03/meeting-report-19-3-21/
<<“ We raised the issue of the extension of Brian Barry-Murphy’s contract and the way it was announced at the forum with it coming across to those watching the forum like a Club Director didn’t know the answer to the question. We were assured this was not the case (and this had been a “genuine mix up” with the answer). The Club discussed this with us and informed us that they had already prepared a response to Supporters with regard to when the contract was signed and the reasons behind the delay in announcing it and would be contacting Supporters early in the next week.”>>
It was Thursday. It’s the little things.
Also, it’s should be noted that the open letter has been signed by the “Board of Directors”. It therefore is a collective statement from them all. Therefore any unanswered questions should be directed at them, and the club, as an entirety. Which they will welcome as they admit communication can get better. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 08:30 - Mar 26 with 2101 views | R17ALE |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 08:06 - Mar 26 by judd |
Because it hasn't attracted that much comment does not necessarily reflect on how this part of the overall article has been received.
If an emanant journalist with gravitas in my particular industry said that he "believes he is taking the club into the modern age...", and could only describe me as being passionate and working long hours without citing ONE single positive achievement in my tenure, then I would be a tad concerned. (Don't forget that this journalist cites one of the criticisms of the CE of being a southerner as perhaps being unwarranted.)
If I was described as talkative, not knowing what was on or off the record, might be easy to manipulate, take deflected pride in association, I would be looking over my shoulder, not issuing that pile of crap that hit doormats and inboxes yesterday. |
The CE might be from Rochdale, but, and I urge anyone reading to think this through carefully, he's not of Rochdale.
There's a chasm in that remark which I hope isn't lost on anyone. |  |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 10:05 - Mar 26 with 1994 views | James1980 |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 08:19 - Mar 26 by 442Dale |
For me it has nothing to do with individuals or personalities, it’s about a culture. One which has needed to change for a very long time as mentioned previously.
As noted in the Trust statement on the 15th:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/03/trust-update-15-03-21/
<<“ For many, this will require actions rather than words, and its success will only be judged in the long term.”>>
So, as an example, also from the Trust, their statement on the 21st:
https://www.daletrust.co.uk/2021/03/meeting-report-19-3-21/
<<“ We raised the issue of the extension of Brian Barry-Murphy’s contract and the way it was announced at the forum with it coming across to those watching the forum like a Club Director didn’t know the answer to the question. We were assured this was not the case (and this had been a “genuine mix up” with the answer). The Club discussed this with us and informed us that they had already prepared a response to Supporters with regard to when the contract was signed and the reasons behind the delay in announcing it and would be contacting Supporters early in the next week.”>>
It was Thursday. It’s the little things.
Also, it’s should be noted that the open letter has been signed by the “Board of Directors”. It therefore is a collective statement from them all. Therefore any unanswered questions should be directed at them, and the club, as an entirety. Which they will welcome as they admit communication can get better. |
Perhaps the statement re BBM's contract was prepared for release earlier in the week but they decided on 'the letter' instead which clearly has backfired. | |
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| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 10:19 - Mar 26 with 1980 views | HK_Dale |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 10:05 - Mar 26 by James1980 |
Perhaps the statement re BBM's contract was prepared for release earlier in the week but they decided on 'the letter' instead which clearly has backfired. |
I can't tell if you are continually playing the role of devils advocate to foster debate or you genuinely think the board and CEO are doing things right?
As 442 has pointed out a number of times, they can't even seem to stick to their own conclusions that communication needs to be remedied. There is very little substantive communication that comes from the board and CEO. All we seem to get are platitudes and soundbites that regurgitate the same information or are blindingly obvious.
All of this fuels the narrative that they either don't know what's required or don't care about fostering a good relationship with their stakeholders.
By their own admission in previous statements - actions speak louder than words... |  | | |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 10:25 - Mar 26 with 1975 views | dawlishdale |
| Mark Hodkinson: Inside the Boardroom Pt. III on 08:30 - Mar 26 by R17ALE |
The CE might be from Rochdale, but, and I urge anyone reading to think this through carefully, he's not of Rochdale.
There's a chasm in that remark which I hope isn't lost on anyone. |
This has been blindingly obvious since "chair gate" at an Exiles game, when he made rather a tit of himself. But sadly; it's been repeated ad nauseum ever since in an ever growing list of bad business decisions.
Seldom have I witnessed a man so out of touch with his surroundings. It's a wonder he wasn't physically attacked. I think some other posters on here witnessed it, and great credit to the Trust bods for rescuing what could have been a disaster of a day.
it is sadly no wonder that he isn't accepted by the vast majority of Rochdale folk. he has the mindset of someone from a completely different area. | | | |
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