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Hope I'm not included mate it was a genuine question as I fear all this is getting a bit over the top and before too long the whole point of all this will just be a tick box exercise and we're doing it because it's "just what you do"
Not at all, far from it. Your question made me think.
No, I got hit by the troll earlier and bakerloo quoted me by accident. I'm just having the craic.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I see it as quite an accurate description of people who seem to be angry all the time
It is problematic though. I think I've been guilty of using it once or twice myself in the context of "Tommy's Gammon Army". But it refers to the ruddy complexion of the middle aged men who tend to frequent the Tommy Robinson events, and if you started referring to BLM as "Lammy's Chocolate Army", for instance, there would, rightly, be a fcking outrage. So it doesn't do the cause much good to keep using it.
It is problematic though. I think I've been guilty of using it once or twice myself in the context of "Tommy's Gammon Army". But it refers to the ruddy complexion of the middle aged men who tend to frequent the Tommy Robinson events, and if you started referring to BLM as "Lammy's Chocolate Army", for instance, there would, rightly, be a fcking outrage. So it doesn't do the cause much good to keep using it.
It is problematic though. I think I've been guilty of using it once or twice myself in the context of "Tommy's Gammon Army". But it refers to the ruddy complexion of the middle aged men who tend to frequent the Tommy Robinson events, and if you started referring to BLM as "Lammy's Chocolate Army", for instance, there would, rightly, be a fcking outrage. So it doesn't do the cause much good to keep using it.
yeah, we all like to put people in labeled boxes, but it's not helpful in any way and is surely springing from the same well from where racism comes from?
We label ourselves as well, "anarchist" or whatever, but life is so much more complex then that.
It is problematic though. I think I've been guilty of using it once or twice myself in the context of "Tommy's Gammon Army". But it refers to the ruddy complexion of the middle aged men who tend to frequent the Tommy Robinson events, and if you started referring to BLM as "Lammy's Chocolate Army", for instance, there would, rightly, be a fcking outrage. So it doesn't do the cause much good to keep using it.
It’s not problematic it’s fecking racist. It’s disparagingly labeling a whole group of people with a word pertaining to their skin colour, which if it were done the other way round would (rightly) produce howls of outrage.
All 3 parts of an excellent documentary on this issue, I really do implore all watch and draw their own conclusions, I found it chilling and perhaps prescient:
It is problematic though. I think I've been guilty of using it once or twice myself in the context of "Tommy's Gammon Army". But it refers to the ruddy complexion of the middle aged men who tend to frequent the Tommy Robinson events, and if you started referring to BLM as "Lammy's Chocolate Army", for instance, there would, rightly, be a fcking outrage. So it doesn't do the cause much good to keep using it.
I didn't know that.
It's not a word that gets used in Ireland, or at least I've never noticed it. I've never used it but I always thought it was for white people who got flushed and angry over race issues.
Good to be educated.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
It is problematic though. I think I've been guilty of using it once or twice myself in the context of "Tommy's Gammon Army". But it refers to the ruddy complexion of the middle aged men who tend to frequent the Tommy Robinson events, and if you started referring to BLM as "Lammy's Chocolate Army", for instance, there would, rightly, be a fcking outrage. So it doesn't do the cause much good to keep using it.
I have a Junior Wells LP which features Buddy Guy, but for contractual reasons, he's named in the sleevenotes as Friendly Chap. Just thought that might defuse the hostility a bit....
Before criticising any club for not "taking the knee", which is a fairly meaningless symbolic gesture that may have been relevant 3 months ago, you'd better ask these questions:
Name the clubs with a black Director of Football Name the clubs with a black Academy Director Name the clubs with a black coach for their U23s Name the clubs with a black coach for their U18s
When you've identified concrete measures and found clubs wanting, then you can have a go at them.
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Before criticising any club for not "taking the knee", which is a fairly meaningless symbolic gesture that may have been relevant 3 months ago, you'd better ask these questions:
Name the clubs with a black Director of Football Name the clubs with a black Academy Director Name the clubs with a black coach for their U23s Name the clubs with a black coach for their U18s
When you've identified concrete measures and found clubs wanting, then you can have a go at them.
The #BLM organisation made this political. Many support the cause, but want to stay politically neutral.
@QPR is without doubt the most racially diverse football club I have ever played for.
Taking the knee is symbolic. Taking action is the next step and @Qpr are miles ahead!
But then again he is an evil tory voter
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
Whether or not we agree or disagree with the clubs stance imo the club handle this very badly for once When the commentators highlighted what we did it made me for the first time look and our starting 11 which was 8 Caucasian and 3 black. Now that is the first time I think I have ever looked at our team make up and I could almost hear the sky management drooling Would they have been so vocal if it was reversed? The club is a fantastic advert for diversity but not issuing a pre match statement was i think a mistake We can say that why should we our record speaks for itself.... well unfortunately it don't or didn't this time The club is influential in 1000s of lives and it needs to have stands and to make those stands known
Whether or not we agree or disagree with the clubs stance imo the club handle this very badly for once When the commentators highlighted what we did it made me for the first time look and our starting 11 which was 8 Caucasian and 3 black. Now that is the first time I think I have ever looked at our team make up and I could almost hear the sky management drooling Would they have been so vocal if it was reversed? The club is a fantastic advert for diversity but not issuing a pre match statement was i think a mistake We can say that why should we our record speaks for itself.... well unfortunately it don't or didn't this time The club is influential in 1000s of lives and it needs to have stands and to make those stands known
Does anyone know the correct breakdown of Caucasian to Black players there should be in a team?
It’s a difficult one to determine with prime numbers like 11. Wonder if it’s time UEFA insisted on 12 players per side so football has a clearer mandate to work with.
Does anyone know the correct breakdown of Caucasian to Black players there should be in a team?
It’s a difficult one to determine with prime numbers like 11. Wonder if it’s time UEFA insisted on 12 players per side so football has a clearer mandate to work with.
Harumph.
And that is your response? I can tell you that easily.... there isn't a correct breakdown as it dont matter But once the issue was raised by Sky that we didn't take the knee I wondered if the remarks by the studio was taken and that the indication that was are racist may have been fueled by the teams makeup
And that is your response? I can tell you that easily.... there isn't a correct breakdown as it dont matter But once the issue was raised by Sky that we didn't take the knee I wondered if the remarks by the studio was taken and that the indication that was are racist may have been fueled by the teams makeup
I don't think anyone in the studio was suggesting QPR are racist at all, they were just asking why we had chosen not to take the knee. Mcanuff seemed angry about it and spoke later about his disappointment that his own club chose to not to it last week as well
Whether or not we agree or disagree with the clubs stance imo the club handle this very badly for once When the commentators highlighted what we did it made me for the first time look and our starting 11 which was 8 Caucasian and 3 black. Now that is the first time I think I have ever looked at our team make up and I could almost hear the sky management drooling Would they have been so vocal if it was reversed? The club is a fantastic advert for diversity but not issuing a pre match statement was i think a mistake We can say that why should we our record speaks for itself.... well unfortunately it don't or didn't this time The club is influential in 1000s of lives and it needs to have stands and to make those stands known
" our starting 11 which was 8 Caucasian and 3 black."
Don't see why that is relevant but as you have brought it up what do you think the split should be.
And that is your response? I can tell you that easily.... there isn't a correct breakdown as it dont matter But once the issue was raised by Sky that we didn't take the knee I wondered if the remarks by the studio was taken and that the indication that was are racist may have been fueled by the teams makeup
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