| General election looming? 19:49 - Oct 22 with 28196 views | Daley_Lama |
Who would people vote in in Rochdale?
Lab? A bloke who has voted against every single attempt to deliver Brexit?
Lib: A bloke or woman who would do the same?
Tory? In Rochdale?
I reckon this town could actually vote in a Farage candidate if a general election was called. |  |
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| General election looming? on 21:36 - Oct 22 with 9603 views | mingthemerciless |
I know who I would vote for - Labour. |  | | |
| General election looming? on 22:01 - Oct 22 with 9538 views | isitme |
How many times has our sitting MP been to Rochdale since he was elected?
Personally I think all parties should select candidates who have lived in the constituency for which they standing for at least the last three years. [Post edited 22 Oct 2019 22:32]
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| General election looming? on 22:14 - Oct 22 with 9489 views | sweetcorn |
Strap yourselves in everyone, we’re about to get another political debate.
For the record, labour. |  |
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| General election looming? on 22:29 - Oct 22 with 9430 views | DaleFan7 |
Conservatives, whilst i might not agree with everything they do, it's the best way of keeping Corbyn out. | | | |
| General election looming? on 22:45 - Oct 22 with 9367 views | shawclough_dale |
A little to soon to commit without even seeing the candidate list. Voted Jane Howard (con) last time and would do so again, if she were to stand again. |  | | |
| General election looming? on 22:58 - Oct 22 with 9312 views | SuddenLad |
| General election looming? on 22:01 - Oct 22 by isitme |
How many times has our sitting MP been to Rochdale since he was elected?
Personally I think all parties should select candidates who have lived in the constituency for which they standing for at least the last three years. [Post edited 22 Oct 2019 22:32]
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Make that FIVE years. All this 'parachuting' of candidates into safe seats is an insult to the electorate. There should be a residential requirement.
WE should determine who is selected to stand in the elections from locally resident candidates. Not some pr!ck from South Manchester who has no clue about Rochdale, or what it means to us, or what it needs.
As a local MP, he's been a pathetic shambles. As much use as a nipple on a chimney breast. |  |
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| General election looming? on 23:02 - Oct 22 with 9309 views | dalenumber2 |
Why would any thinking person vote for the Brexit Party, it's crazy to think that a party with only one real policy could attract any followers, but these are crazy times... |  | | |
| General election looming? on 23:30 - Oct 22 with 9260 views | dalebound |
could never vote for evil so the tories have no chance and I cant understand anyone who would they sell everything off to line there pockets now they want to destroy our rights sell of the nhs and don't forget boris is a liar and a cheat | | | |
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| General election looming? on 04:33 - Oct 23 with 9169 views | Dalenet |
| General election looming? on 23:30 - Oct 22 by dalebound |
could never vote for evil so the tories have no chance and I cant understand anyone who would they sell everything off to line there pockets now they want to destroy our rights sell of the nhs and don't forget boris is a liar and a cheat |
No evidence they want to sell off NHS. Remember it was Labour that brought in the public private partnership for the NHS that crippled some trusts. And Labour was in charge when Rochdales local hospital services were abandoned in favour of Oldham. People are now having to travel to an ex poor house in North Manchester for treatment. Never voted Tory but don't trust Labour with a penny of my money. And Lloyd is more interested in Northern Ireland and the hope of a ministerial seat one day thanext he is of Rochdale | | | |
| General election looming? on 08:12 - Oct 23 with 9072 views | judd |
I sincerely hope that no sitting MP who has voted against the wishes of the majority of their constituents gets re-elected.
That would mean carriages for Lloyd and McInnes. |  |
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| General election looming? on 08:29 - Oct 23 with 9061 views | rod_leach |
| General election looming? on 08:12 - Oct 23 by judd |
I sincerely hope that no sitting MP who has voted against the wishes of the majority of their constituents gets re-elected.
That would mean carriages for Lloyd and McInnes. |
Howo you know they are voting against the wishes of a majority of their constituents?
We don't know who voted specifically for a no deal Brexit.
There were promises of easy trade deals all set up for day one, they need us more than we need them etc. Not billions wasted as sterling is devalued, WTO tarrifs, £30 odd billion to leave etc, etc |  | | |
| General election looming? on 08:48 - Oct 23 with 9021 views | judd |
| General election looming? on 08:29 - Oct 23 by rod_leach |
Howo you know they are voting against the wishes of a majority of their constituents?
We don't know who voted specifically for a no deal Brexit.
There were promises of easy trade deals all set up for day one, they need us more than we need them etc. Not billions wasted as sterling is devalued, WTO tarrifs, £30 odd billion to leave etc, etc |
I don't know, no one does.
But they have a clear marker in the result of the Referendum.
It really is that simple, in my mind. | |
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| General election looming? on 09:40 - Oct 23 with 8972 views | wimborne_dale |
Is there likely to be a Monster Raving Loony candidate in Rochdale?
Disappointingly, I've never yet seen one where I live. Perhaps I should become the candidate. |  |
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| General election looming? on 10:18 - Oct 23 with 8935 views | 49thseason |
| General election looming? on 08:29 - Oct 23 by rod_leach |
Howo you know they are voting against the wishes of a majority of their constituents?
We don't know who voted specifically for a no deal Brexit.
There were promises of easy trade deals all set up for day one, they need us more than we need them etc. Not billions wasted as sterling is devalued, WTO tarrifs, £30 odd billion to leave etc, etc |
Rochdale 60.1% Leave
Heywood and Middleton 62.43% Leave
Hard deal no deal etc are all constructs of the Remain campaigners, invented immediately after they lost the vote because they refuse to recognise that they lost. The ballot paper was explicit, Leave or Remain. Rochdale and Heywood voted to leave, our MPs need to support their electorate's decision or suffer the consequences at the next election. |  | | |
| General election looming? on 10:20 - Oct 23 with 8932 views | finberty |
| General election looming? on 23:30 - Oct 22 by dalebound |
could never vote for evil so the tories have no chance and I cant understand anyone who would they sell everything off to line there pockets now they want to destroy our rights sell of the nhs and don't forget boris is a liar and a cheat |
"...don't forget boris is a liar and a cheat..".
Ah, that'll prevent people voting for him then. Just as Tony Blair was booted out in 2005 - oh, hang on.... |  | | |
| General election looming? on 10:27 - Oct 23 with 8920 views | jonahwhereru |
| General election looming? on 08:29 - Oct 23 by rod_leach |
Howo you know they are voting against the wishes of a majority of their constituents?
We don't know who voted specifically for a no deal Brexit.
There were promises of easy trade deals all set up for day one, they need us more than we need them etc. Not billions wasted as sterling is devalued, WTO tarrifs, £30 odd billion to leave etc, etc |
How each MP has voted on bills is a matter of public record. My area is a stronghold of ERG members and the six closest MP to where I live all voted against the May deal every time. To me it’s simple the ERG voted to delay the exit from Europe until as many ties to Europehad been cut as possible. If the government were minded to accept an amendment enshrining in law the same workers rights in the Uk as in the EU, that would be an interesting vote. Let’s not forget Boris Johnson could stomach it, as he voted for the May deal the last time. Think that amendment would blow the cover of the ERG as it was they that forced the change.
My vote in an election does not count as south Essex is solid Conservative. So I will vote for the Labour Party candidate. Local girl works in the civil service and does voluntary work for McMillan Cancer charity.
There has never been a vote in the Commons on a No Deal Brexit. Neither leave or remain campaigned for no deal and no party in Parliament has it in their manifesto. Realistically only the 40 or so ERG Conservatives would countance voting for it. [Post edited 23 Oct 2019 11:42]
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| General election looming? on 10:41 - Oct 23 with 8901 views | Daley_Lama |
| General election looming? on 08:29 - Oct 23 by rod_leach |
Howo you know they are voting against the wishes of a majority of their constituents?
We don't know who voted specifically for a no deal Brexit.
There were promises of easy trade deals all set up for day one, they need us more than we need them etc. Not billions wasted as sterling is devalued, WTO tarrifs, £30 odd billion to leave etc, etc |
On BBC website it has been very simple to check how your MP has voted on any major Brexit vote over the last few months.
I have done so and on every single vote he has voted against any deal, against any vote on a GE and for any blocking or delaying amendment without fail. 100% followed Jeremy Corbyn line. | |
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| General election looming? on 10:52 - Oct 23 with 8886 views | dawlishdale |
| General election looming? on 09:40 - Oct 23 by wimborne_dale |
Is there likely to be a Monster Raving Loony candidate in Rochdale?
Disappointingly, I've never yet seen one where I live. Perhaps I should become the candidate. |
I think our recent MP's have all been loonies. It's a sad reflection on the electorate that we keep on voting in these awful , awful people to represent us.
I wish we would wake up and for once, elect an MP who represents the party in power. | | | |
| General election looming? on 11:49 - Oct 23 with 8827 views | soulboy |
Labour, every time. |  | | |
| General election looming? on 11:52 - Oct 23 with 8818 views | TomRAFC |
I'm not a massive fan of either of the major parties leaders at the moment. I can see the appeal and concern around both of them.
Corbyn's 1940s/almost scandinavian socialism does offer some kind of vision of a different way of doing things, but it is a risky and very drastic change. Even if Corbyn has won the majority support of party members, it appears he doesn't have the majority support of MPs. There is much to criticise about Corbyn, but the tone of it has been substandard. The narrative that Jeremy Corbyn is some kind of commie terrorist boogeyman to kept out of government at any cost has been melodramatic at best, and intentional misrepresentation at worst. Even if people do strongly dislike Corbyn, this kind of rhetoric is a barrier to sensible adult discussion about whether or not he is a suitable PM.
In Johnson we have an intelligent man with bags of charisma, his bumbling personna has been intentionally crafted over years of practice. He is also an impulsive loose cannon who will happily ignore every rule in the book if it suits him personally. Given that what suits Johnson is usually in stark contrast to what our schools/hospitals/veterans/retirees need, there is little reason to believe he has the interests of the british public at heart. Rather than accepting not having the support of his MPs, he simply dismissed them on mass. No one likes it when political correctness goes mad, but it's hard not to judge Johnson on some of his past statements at a time when our nations football team received such vile abuse.
I was really unsure which way to vote in the referendum mainly because there were strong arguements for and against both options, most of which didn't seem to make it into either sides campaigns. I do believe we should leave the EU off the back of the referendum, there was a cross party agreement that the result of the referendum would be implemented.
What we have discovered is that there is no majority for any particular form of brexit, this has created almost as much of a divide as the original referendum did. There's a big dose of irony that the sovreign parliament that we are pushing to return powers to is now our biggest stumbling block.
As exhausted as we all are with this whole thing, we need to avoid the desire to "just get it done" or any other kind of tempting frustrated short term approach. Whilst it feels like brexit has been going on forever, a deal being done is just the beggining. [Post edited 23 Oct 2019 12:00]
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| General election looming on 12:07 - Oct 23 with 8793 views | jonahwhereru |
| General election looming? on 11:52 - Oct 23 by TomRAFC |
I'm not a massive fan of either of the major parties leaders at the moment. I can see the appeal and concern around both of them.
Corbyn's 1940s/almost scandinavian socialism does offer some kind of vision of a different way of doing things, but it is a risky and very drastic change. Even if Corbyn has won the majority support of party members, it appears he doesn't have the majority support of MPs. There is much to criticise about Corbyn, but the tone of it has been substandard. The narrative that Jeremy Corbyn is some kind of commie terrorist boogeyman to kept out of government at any cost has been melodramatic at best, and intentional misrepresentation at worst. Even if people do strongly dislike Corbyn, this kind of rhetoric is a barrier to sensible adult discussion about whether or not he is a suitable PM.
In Johnson we have an intelligent man with bags of charisma, his bumbling personna has been intentionally crafted over years of practice. He is also an impulsive loose cannon who will happily ignore every rule in the book if it suits him personally. Given that what suits Johnson is usually in stark contrast to what our schools/hospitals/veterans/retirees need, there is little reason to believe he has the interests of the british public at heart. Rather than accepting not having the support of his MPs, he simply dismissed them on mass. No one likes it when political correctness goes mad, but it's hard not to judge Johnson on some of his past statements at a time when our nations football team received such vile abuse.
I was really unsure which way to vote in the referendum mainly because there were strong arguements for and against both options, most of which didn't seem to make it into either sides campaigns. I do believe we should leave the EU off the back of the referendum, there was a cross party agreement that the result of the referendum would be implemented.
What we have discovered is that there is no majority for any particular form of brexit, this has created almost as much of a divide as the original referendum did. There's a big dose of irony that the sovreign parliament that we are pushing to return powers to is now our biggest stumbling block.
As exhausted as we all are with this whole thing, we need to avoid the desire to "just get it done" or any other kind of tempting frustrated short term approach. Whilst it feels like brexit has been going on forever, a deal being done is just the beggining. [Post edited 23 Oct 2019 12:00]
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The voice of reason. What an excellent post.
TomRAFC I hope you never seek a career in politics. You will have no chance if you keep making well measured, articulate and truthful comments like this post. The consolation is you would at least have my vote. | | | |
| General election looming? on 12:58 - Oct 23 with 8717 views | Brierls |
It all depends on the status of Brexit.
If we are out of the EU, I'm not going to bother voting as I have no trust in Boris, Corbyn or Swinson.
If we are still in Brexit limbo and not yet out of the EU, I'll be voting LibDem given their pledge to revoke Article 50 without a referendum. Regardless of whether I like/support Swinson.
I don't know much about politics, if anything at all, but I do know I want the UK to remain in the EU. That's democracy, right?  |  | | |
| General election looming? on 13:01 - Oct 23 with 8701 views | judd |
| General election looming? on 12:58 - Oct 23 by Brierls |
It all depends on the status of Brexit.
If we are out of the EU, I'm not going to bother voting as I have no trust in Boris, Corbyn or Swinson.
If we are still in Brexit limbo and not yet out of the EU, I'll be voting LibDem given their pledge to revoke Article 50 without a referendum. Regardless of whether I like/support Swinson.
I don't know much about politics, if anything at all, but I do know I want the UK to remain in the EU. That's democracy, right? |
I am a remainer also, but democracy is delivering the result of the referendum, is it not? | |
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| General election looming? on 13:32 - Oct 23 with 8646 views | Sandyman |
| General election looming? on 13:01 - Oct 23 by judd |
I am a remainer also, but democracy is delivering the result of the referendum, is it not? |
It is also about the right to retain your individual beliefs whatever the political landscape is.
Remain voter.
Don't know voter in the next General Election. |  | | |
| General election looming? on 13:46 - Oct 23 with 8624 views | Brierls |
| General election looming? on 13:01 - Oct 23 by judd |
I am a remainer also, but democracy is delivering the result of the referendum, is it not? |
You obviously missed the
Brexit is a complete sh!t show. When you have the Remain campaign dealing with facts which are available in the public domain vs the Leave campaign allowed to peddle benefits that are fantasy at best, I'm not sure you can have a genuine chance of making an informed decision.
I don't doubt there are Leave voters who saw through the fantasy claims and still saw a reason to leave, but I find it very hard to believe that a lot of Leave voters weren't voting on the basis of fantasy claims peddled and/or are daft racists with a skewed view of European workers stealing British jobs etc.
The voting process was democratic. Everything leading up to it, and what's gone after, is a sick joke. For once, I don't blame MP's, they don't want their name against implementing Brexit. They should be applauded for protecting the interests of the UK.
If Labour had the balls to take the LibDem stance, or even have a second referendum as part of their manifesto, they'd be an absolute shoe in at the next (pre-Brexit) referendum. All under the banner of being democratically elected. | | | |
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