| Clydach murders on 19:31 - Oct 28 with 1996 views | Andy1300 |
| Clydach murders on 19:27 - Oct 28 by Flashberryjack |
I wouldn't say he's blinkered, just knows a lot more about the case than most on here. |
Didn’t realise that he was a barrister at the trial. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 19:32 - Oct 28 with 1994 views | trampie |
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Sporting+career+took+Alison+Lewis+to+highest+leve
Blydi hell 4 times British champion at a martial art, she won her last British title just a few months after the murders, she could use a pole a 'bo' or something a long wooden stick.
She was a Welsh rugby international after just 7 games, no doubt fit, tough and I don't mean to be unflattering but like a tank, I bet she was fitter and stronger and would knock Morris head off (figuratively speaking) if they got into a fight.
Obviously it doesn't mean she did anything wrong but exhmrc1 if he knows some of the people involved in this case is being very selective in these discussions on this board. [Post edited 28 Oct 2020 19:36]
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| Clydach murders on 19:42 - Oct 28 with 1965 views | Andy1300 |
| Clydach murders on 19:32 - Oct 28 by trampie |
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Sporting+career+took+Alison+Lewis+to+highest+leve
Blydi hell 4 times British champion at a martial art, she won her last British title just a few months after the murders, she could use a pole a 'bo' or something a long wooden stick.
She was a Welsh rugby international after just 7 games, no doubt fit, tough and I don't mean to be unflattering but like a tank, I bet she was fitter and stronger and would knock Morris head off (figuratively speaking) if they got into a fight.
Obviously it doesn't mean she did anything wrong but exhmrc1 if he knows some of the people involved in this case is being very selective in these discussions on this board. [Post edited 28 Oct 2020 19:36]
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But it couldn’t possibly be her as she wasn’t on trial.
You couldn’t make it up. | |
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| Clydach murders on 19:51 - Oct 28 with 1949 views | Flashberryjack |
| Clydach murders on 19:31 - Oct 28 by Andy1300 |
Didn’t realise that he was a barrister at the trial. |
Didn't realise you were a bit of a Sherlock either. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 19:51 - Oct 28 with 1949 views | Whiterockin |
| Clydach murders on 18:59 - Oct 28 by exhmrc1 |
Why do you believe that. What is it based on. Is it the TV programme or book.
The reality is that in addition to the 2 trials the case has already been looked at legally by top judges. They have also decided the verdict is safe. They are far better positioned than you, I, Trampie or anybody else to make judgement.
Maybe it is time for you and Trampie to recognise this.
We had a totally one sided TV programme which to be honest made ludicrous claims included a guy coming forward after 20 years. If he is to be believed it would mean an experienced copper would be walking 4 miles away from a murder scene over a mountain then along the Pontardawe to Ammanford road then through a housing estate to get to his house. I, for one do not believe it just like I dont believe Morris' version of events. I also dont believe 2 experienced coppers would have walked 1/2 mile to a murder scene. You might accept these things I dont.
Coppers more than the rest of us would realise the need not to be seen and would have a getaway vehicle close by not walking up a main road.
The programme was so one sided it didnt give opposing views. There was no argument against their so called experts but there would certainly have been a dissenting view. There was no proper questioning of the witnesses they brought forward. The police were not even given a advance copy of the allegations let alone the chance to answer the ones made.
It is all very well making these programmes but they should have had balance.
As for the info not provided to the defence we dont know what these were but the body considering Morris appeal probably did and still rejected it.
Court cases allow both sides to put cases forward. The BBC showed it as an open and shut case but the authorities look at this fully and have already decided the verdict is safe. |
There is evidence in storage where at the time no DNA could be found. DNA has moved on so much in the last 20 years IN MY OPINION DNA may now be found on these items. If everyone is so sure of the innocence or guilt of various parties. What harm would it do to have these items checked. It may help in the long term development of DNA tracing.
Please do not respond with an essay of what you have already posted. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:00 - Oct 28 with 1932 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 19:24 - Oct 28 by Andy1300 |
Except it’s not all that matters, especially if he didn’t do it.
Put one of your family members in his shoes! |
If he didnt do it then he appeals and proves it. Nothing to do with the Lewis family but his defence team and some on here try to make that the case. The recent programme made the case of 3 supposed sightings of Stephen Lewis but he is not the one found guilty. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:02 - Oct 28 with 1931 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 19:51 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
There is evidence in storage where at the time no DNA could be found. DNA has moved on so much in the last 20 years IN MY OPINION DNA may now be found on these items. If everyone is so sure of the innocence or guilt of various parties. What harm would it do to have these items checked. It may help in the long term development of DNA tracing.
Please do not respond with an essay of what you have already posted. |
Yes my thoughts exactly. | |
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| Clydach murders on 20:04 - Oct 28 with 2281 views | Flashberryjack |
| Clydach murders on 19:51 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
There is evidence in storage where at the time no DNA could be found. DNA has moved on so much in the last 20 years IN MY OPINION DNA may now be found on these items. If everyone is so sure of the innocence or guilt of various parties. What harm would it do to have these items checked. It may help in the long term development of DNA tracing.
Please do not respond with an essay of what you have already posted. |
As stated earlier "cross contamination" would be an issue, especially if Morris has admitted being in the house. | |
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| Clydach murders on 20:07 - Oct 28 with 2273 views | Whiterockin |
| Clydach murders on 20:04 - Oct 28 by Flashberryjack |
As stated earlier "cross contamination" would be an issue, especially if Morris has admitted being in the house. |
Could be an issue, not would be an issue and that would depend on who's DNA if any was found. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:09 - Oct 28 with 2267 views | Yyy |
| Clydach murders on 19:51 - Oct 28 by Whiterockin |
There is evidence in storage where at the time no DNA could be found. DNA has moved on so much in the last 20 years IN MY OPINION DNA may now be found on these items. If everyone is so sure of the innocence or guilt of various parties. What harm would it do to have these items checked. It may help in the long term development of DNA tracing.
Please do not respond with an essay of what you have already posted. |
A quick google showed there was dna found in 2014 of male origin but had been tested no further.Morris put this to the CCRC in a bid for appeal,asking for ut to be tested afainst him.
The DNA was found on spent matches used to start the fire
a watch placed on mandys wrist
The pole used and the clothes mandy had worn that night.
The CCRC dismissed the case as SWP said that the samples hadn't been stored properly so could not be tested.Wether this is a deliberate act by SWP to hide/hinder evidence or just bad luck for morris is anyobes guess | | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:10 - Oct 28 with 2256 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 20:00 - Oct 28 by exhmrc1 |
If he didnt do it then he appeals and proves it. Nothing to do with the Lewis family but his defence team and some on here try to make that the case. The recent programme made the case of 3 supposed sightings of Stephen Lewis but he is not the one found guilty. |
That's it, he has to now prove it because he was found guilty, not a criticism but an observation, initially the prosecution have to prove guilt, if there is a miscarriage of justice in the UK, once you are done it's then hard to get it overturned, hence why multiple appeals, retrials do not necessarily underline someone's guilt, the majority of the public might think so but the opposite can be true and it could be a sign of a borderline initial conviction. | |
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| Clydach murders on 20:13 - Oct 28 with 2245 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 20:09 - Oct 28 by Yyy |
A quick google showed there was dna found in 2014 of male origin but had been tested no further.Morris put this to the CCRC in a bid for appeal,asking for ut to be tested afainst him.
The DNA was found on spent matches used to start the fire
a watch placed on mandys wrist
The pole used and the clothes mandy had worn that night.
The CCRC dismissed the case as SWP said that the samples hadn't been stored properly so could not be tested.Wether this is a deliberate act by SWP to hide/hinder evidence or just bad luck for morris is anyobes guess |
It's shocking, honest to goodness shocking. | |
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| Clydach murders on 20:15 - Oct 28 with 2246 views | Yyy |
| Clydach murders on 20:09 - Oct 28 by Yyy |
A quick google showed there was dna found in 2014 of male origin but had been tested no further.Morris put this to the CCRC in a bid for appeal,asking for ut to be tested afainst him.
The DNA was found on spent matches used to start the fire
a watch placed on mandys wrist
The pole used and the clothes mandy had worn that night.
The CCRC dismissed the case as SWP said that the samples hadn't been stored properly so could not be tested.Wether this is a deliberate act by SWP to hide/hinder evidence or just bad luck for morris is anyobes guess |
For clarity i am firmly on the fence with regards to his innocence or guilt.
Morris had nothing to lose by requesting the dna was tested.
Not his good chance of getting his conviction overturned.
If it turned out to be his...well he would just stay where he is.He has got to running out of avenues to have his conviction looked at again. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:19 - Oct 28 with 2224 views | Andy1300 |
| Clydach murders on 19:51 - Oct 28 by Flashberryjack |
Didn't realise you were a bit of a Sherlock either. |
I’m not saying I’m and pert, clearly I am not, what I and others can see is that there appears to be enough reasonable doubt to get an appeal. | |
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| Clydach murders on 20:23 - Oct 28 with 2220 views | Neath_Jack |
| Clydach murders on 19:27 - Oct 28 by Flashberryjack |
I wouldn't say he's blinkered, just knows a lot more about the case than most on here. |
He "knows" nothing different from the rest of us.
He wasn't in that courtroom.
He just types paragraph after paragraph, makes loads of assumptions, then criticises others for doing the same.
The YYY poster has called out some of his so called facts as rubbish.
It's funny how we align ourselves to those that we deem to be on "our side". |  |
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| Clydach murders on 20:29 - Oct 28 with 2204 views | Yyy |
| Clydach murders on 19:30 - Oct 28 by exhmrc1 |
The defence tried to suggest it could be her not the prosecution. They had already ruled her out and ended up making apologies. The bottom line remains. Morris has been found guilty. He claims he didnt do it. This is nothing to do with the Lewis family but you keep raising things like where did the policeman go missing for hours or who had the ability to use a pole or who had the forensic knowledge to clean up. None of these alter the fact. Morris was found guilty and it is whether he is guilty or not and the Lewis family are not involved in that. For example the Inspectors actions whatever he did has nothing to do with the verdict. It might well be wrong and a disciplinary matter but doesnt mean he committed murder. |
In the judges summing up of the case he said to the jury they had seen the murder in the witness box...so yes it is them or him.
If he guilty he's guilty,but if he's not it is one or a combination of the three Lewis's.
So the issues surrounding the lewis are very much relevant to the case.
If morris is innocent at least some of the lewis are gulity.in the same respect if all three Lewis are innocent,then mirrus is gulity.
There is no unknown party that could be the murder with this case | | | |
| Clydach murders on 21:52 - Oct 28 with 2135 views | Flashberryjack |
| Clydach murders on 20:23 - Oct 28 by Neath_Jack |
He "knows" nothing different from the rest of us.
He wasn't in that courtroom.
He just types paragraph after paragraph, makes loads of assumptions, then criticises others for doing the same.
The YYY poster has called out some of his so called facts as rubbish.
It's funny how we align ourselves to those that we deem to be on "our side". |
How do you know he knows nothing different to the rest of us ?
Unless he's stated earlier in the thread, how do you know he wasn't in the courtroom ?
And yes, people do align to those we deem to be on our side, we all do it quite often. | |
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| Clydach murders on 22:04 - Oct 28 with 2122 views | Garyjack |
| Clydach murders on 20:29 - Oct 28 by Yyy |
In the judges summing up of the case he said to the jury they had seen the murder in the witness box...so yes it is them or him.
If he guilty he's guilty,but if he's not it is one or a combination of the three Lewis's.
So the issues surrounding the lewis are very much relevant to the case.
If morris is innocent at least some of the lewis are gulity.in the same respect if all three Lewis are innocent,then mirrus is gulity.
There is no unknown party that could be the murder with this case |
I may be wrong, but to me that is a clear direction from the judge who has heard all the evidence, for the jury to find him guilty. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 22:50 - Oct 28 with 2080 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 20:10 - Oct 28 by trampie |
That's it, he has to now prove it because he was found guilty, not a criticism but an observation, initially the prosecution have to prove guilt, if there is a miscarriage of justice in the UK, once you are done it's then hard to get it overturned, hence why multiple appeals, retrials do not necessarily underline someone's guilt, the majority of the public might think so but the opposite can be true and it could be a sign of a borderline initial conviction. |
It wasnt a borderline conviction. It was 2 unanimous verdicts. That it was the defence who tried to claim the Lewis family were the murderers is included in this article from the BBC at the time.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/2061112.stm | | | |
| Clydach murders on 07:11 - Oct 29 with 1997 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 20:29 - Oct 28 by Yyy |
In the judges summing up of the case he said to the jury they had seen the murder in the witness box...so yes it is them or him.
If he guilty he's guilty,but if he's not it is one or a combination of the three Lewis's.
So the issues surrounding the lewis are very much relevant to the case.
If morris is innocent at least some of the lewis are gulity.in the same respect if all three Lewis are innocent,then mirrus is gulity.
There is no unknown party that could be the murder with this case |
That is shocking from the judge, to tell the jury you have seen the murderer in the box when only one of them was on trial, with the case being 10 times, a 100 times or a 1000 times more about Morris (as he was on trial) than the others.
There was even said to be unidentified DNA knocking about, I haven't seen the words miss trial be used as regards the second case but that does not sound like that is fair or good practice to me. | |
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| Clydach murders on 07:32 - Oct 29 with 1987 views | trampie |
Morris had the judges sentence reduced after the second court case after 3 judges found that the trial judge hadn't followed proper sentencing guidelines, what is going on with this case hey. | |
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| Clydach murders on 07:47 - Oct 29 with 1985 views | Andy1300 |
| Clydach murders on 07:32 - Oct 29 by trampie |
Morris had the judges sentence reduced after the second court case after 3 judges found that the trial judge hadn't followed proper sentencing guidelines, what is going on with this case hey. |
There you go.
Surely, even the most sensible of people can see that his guilt is suspect. | |
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| Clydach murders on 08:28 - Oct 29 with 1977 views | Highjack |
| Clydach murders on 20:04 - Oct 28 by Flashberryjack |
As stated earlier "cross contamination" would be an issue, especially if Morris has admitted being in the house. |
There could have been a lot of people’s dna in that house. There seems to have been a lot of shagging going on in there. Which is not a criticism by the way. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 08:44 - Oct 29 with 1968 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 07:11 - Oct 29 by trampie |
That is shocking from the judge, to tell the jury you have seen the murderer in the box when only one of them was on trial, with the case being 10 times, a 100 times or a 1000 times more about Morris (as he was on trial) than the others.
There was even said to be unidentified DNA knocking about, I haven't seen the words miss trial be used as regards the second case but that does not sound like that is fair or good practice to me. |
That was Morris' defence teams claim. He has to put that to the jury. Otherwise he would have had to rule their evidence inadmissable which no doubt you and others would then say was unfair.
The Lewis family were not trial Morris was yet his defence team tried to make out they were. Guess what the juries rejected the defence claim and found him guilty. It is absolutely disgusting that anybody should be allowed to try to make someone guilty who wasnt charged and that would apply to anyone not just the Lewis family. The defence team tried everything but it failed. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 08:50 - Oct 29 with 1962 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 07:32 - Oct 29 by trampie |
Morris had the judges sentence reduced after the second court case after 3 judges found that the trial judge hadn't followed proper sentencing guidelines, what is going on with this case hey. |
Again you are wrong Morris was given a whole life sentence like many others. It was decided in the European Courts that there had to be fixed term sentences and that whole life sentences werent acceptable. Hence the judges changed his appeal to a fixed term like in many other cases. | | | |
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