| Three Big Mistakes 07:48 - Feb 1 with 5952 views | Boot |
Although I remain optimistic about our chances of survival this season, we certainly haven't made it easy for ourselves. Many mistakes have been made but the top three in my opinion are:
Appointing BB- maybe our squad isn't the strongest we've had but I don't believe we are as bad as our goal difference suggests. He was absolutely clueless, his inadequacy could still be a deciding factor in staying up/relegation.
Not replacing AW- I had no problem with the club letting him go, from a business point of view and considering his age it made sense. Not investing in a quality CB is the issue.
Losing out on JA to stoke- I truly believed we would of secured his services in the summer, I argued with many who stated we were strong enough in midfield before start of the season, but our games thus far have only supported what I still believe. Still think if the chance arose again we should grab him, not going to help us this season obviously.
Interesting to hear your views about what you guys consider to be our three biggest mistakes this season which has had a direct result of the position we are currently in. |  | | |  |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:21 - Feb 1 with 1466 views | giantstoneater |
| Three Big Mistakes on 08:27 - Feb 1 by swanjackal |
This may not be the most popular opinion, but for me the thing that set a lot of this in motion was the decision to extend Guidolin's contract before the season started. The football under him didn't see us make marked improvement in performances consistently when he took over, despite the results improving, with a lot of luck in the run in to last season. We were getting results whilst being completely dominated on times, creating one or two chances to the oppositions 10-15 chances.
Also, he has to take part blame for recruitment, as he would identify the positions needed strengthening, as he readily admits, if not the actual players coming in. I am still uneasy with this style of management though. A manager (not a "head coach") should be in charge of their targets, knowing what kind of player they need to fit the style they want to play.
This season saw the luck run out. We started poorly, with seemingly awful fitness levels, and poor structurally, with players unsure of their roles. Now this was continued and deepened under Bradley, but this began firmly with Guidolin.
The whole beginning to this season was a shambles, losing the captain in Williams was a predictably massive blow, as anyone could see, although the money was good for a player his age, we had no real leaders in house to replace him. |
Possibly you are right about FG was a mistake but he was never backed by the board in terms of recruitment and his only true signing in Paloschi was allowed to go back to Italy FG`s big mistake was saying he was happy with the squad. In my opinion there were a lot more mistakes than the first 3 mentioned a shambolic takeover for one and over time all these factors have come to a head but at least now we are showing some fight continue to do that and we have a chance and if, if being the biggest word in the universe, we do survive PC must be backed in the next window or we will struggle again. |  | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:23 - Feb 1 with 1454 views | Darran |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:21 - Feb 1 by giantstoneater |
Possibly you are right about FG was a mistake but he was never backed by the board in terms of recruitment and his only true signing in Paloschi was allowed to go back to Italy FG`s big mistake was saying he was happy with the squad. In my opinion there were a lot more mistakes than the first 3 mentioned a shambolic takeover for one and over time all these factors have come to a head but at least now we are showing some fight continue to do that and we have a chance and if, if being the biggest word in the universe, we do survive PC must be backed in the next window or we will struggle again. |
Who did he bring to the table other than Paloschi to be backed then? |  |
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| Three Big Mistakes on 11:34 - Feb 1 with 1421 views | WarwickHunt |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:20 - Feb 1 by Darran |
I'm not beeping he was fuçking crap in most people's opinion,the problem is/was we replaced the buffoon with a mega-buffoon. |
A "buffoon' who got a team dying on its arse 25 points from 15 games?
Righto... |  | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:40 - Feb 1 with 1392 views | Scotia |
| Three Big Mistakes on 10:56 - Feb 1 by Landore_Jack |
That is a harsh view which I do not agree with. I remember when we played West Ham away with a number of key players missing. We played them off the park and won 4-1. Under Monk we were in freefall. Guidolin came in and results improved. Okay, some of the performances weren't great but when you are in relegation battle it is the result that matters. When Monk left I think we were in the bottom three. We finished the season in 12th. |
Yes we did play well in one game. |  | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:43 - Feb 1 with 1381 views | giantstoneater |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:23 - Feb 1 by Darran |
Who did he bring to the table other than Paloschi to be backed then? |
I don`t know Darren I am not ITK but like most managers I would have thought he would have liked to bring in a couple of players that he has worked with before to help implement any new formations he wanted to try usually those would be a couple of midfielders and we only signed Fer in those positions I guess he would have remembered Llorente from his stint in Italy but Borja I`m not sure. Were you happy with the window in the summer Darren? | | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:43 - Feb 1 with 1377 views | swanjackal |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:21 - Feb 1 by giantstoneater |
Possibly you are right about FG was a mistake but he was never backed by the board in terms of recruitment and his only true signing in Paloschi was allowed to go back to Italy FG`s big mistake was saying he was happy with the squad. In my opinion there were a lot more mistakes than the first 3 mentioned a shambolic takeover for one and over time all these factors have come to a head but at least now we are showing some fight continue to do that and we have a chance and if, if being the biggest word in the universe, we do survive PC must be backed in the next window or we will struggle again. |
That's the problem with head coaches, they are not given full backing for players. I do have some sympathy with him there, as I did with Monk, as the players were brought in and sold under their feet, thus it does undermine the person in charge of the on field side.
When you factor in a lot of the unseen money in deals (agent fees, signing on fees, signing off fees etc) I would be surprised after the summer, the club was basically looking to balance the books with the players in/out. I never expected big name signings, although Baston (fee and wages) and Llorente (signing on fee and wages) would have been a large outlay on wages,as well as having to cover wages of players going out on loan. It was clear that the new owners were trying to prevent overspending, and were trying to balance things, however with the poor decisions on mangers this season, this transfer window has forced them into a strategy I feel they were hoping to avoid, and paying out for several new players. For this I don't blame the new owners, but past custodians to allow us to get to a level where outside aid was required. I have no doubt the owners were sold mis-truths, and are only now coming to the terms of it.
However, Guidolin's one decision flopped in Paloschi, regardless of what little he contributed, his financial loss and his lack of time at the club, indicate he was not a wise investment.
As I have said from the initial Michu contract extension, we broke a barrier in wages that, if we remain in the Prem league, cannot be undone, so a club our size will always find it difficult from now on to balance the books. Unless we sell players at a premium, we will continue to lose money due to the obscene wages for a club our size, especially one that seems so poor at the marketing side too. Thus expecting massive investment on the playing side is highly unlikely, especially with the way the new owners have come in and tried to be pragmatic (or stingy, depending on your view) about the finances. [Post edited 1 Feb 2017 11:46]
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| Three Big Mistakes on 11:53 - Feb 1 with 1339 views | jasper_T |
If Clement matches the job Guidolin did here between now and the end of the season he'll have done amazingly well. | | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:57 - Feb 1 with 1329 views | giantstoneater |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:43 - Feb 1 by swanjackal |
That's the problem with head coaches, they are not given full backing for players. I do have some sympathy with him there, as I did with Monk, as the players were brought in and sold under their feet, thus it does undermine the person in charge of the on field side.
When you factor in a lot of the unseen money in deals (agent fees, signing on fees, signing off fees etc) I would be surprised after the summer, the club was basically looking to balance the books with the players in/out. I never expected big name signings, although Baston (fee and wages) and Llorente (signing on fee and wages) would have been a large outlay on wages,as well as having to cover wages of players going out on loan. It was clear that the new owners were trying to prevent overspending, and were trying to balance things, however with the poor decisions on mangers this season, this transfer window has forced them into a strategy I feel they were hoping to avoid, and paying out for several new players. For this I don't blame the new owners, but past custodians to allow us to get to a level where outside aid was required. I have no doubt the owners were sold mis-truths, and are only now coming to the terms of it.
However, Guidolin's one decision flopped in Paloschi, regardless of what little he contributed, his financial loss and his lack of time at the club, indicate he was not a wise investment.
As I have said from the initial Michu contract extension, we broke a barrier in wages that, if we remain in the Prem league, cannot be undone, so a club our size will always find it difficult from now on to balance the books. Unless we sell players at a premium, we will continue to lose money due to the obscene wages for a club our size, especially one that seems so poor at the marketing side too. Thus expecting massive investment on the playing side is highly unlikely, especially with the way the new owners have come in and tried to be pragmatic (or stingy, depending on your view) about the finances. [Post edited 1 Feb 2017 11:46]
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Paloschi didn`t turn out to be a success he did not settle I`m sure that I read something that HJ along the lines of we will wait until the Euros are over before making moves for our targets (I might be wrong on that one) but we took all summer to sign two strikers who had no involvement in the Euros and I`m not sure what involvement FG had in those two signings perhaps Llorente because he played in Italian football Borja I`m not too sure. Football played under FG last season was quite conservative but his teams in Italy had a more attacking/high pressing style so I would have thought he would have liked to bring in one or two players he has worked with before but what do we know what goes on in those marbled halls! | | | |
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| Three Big Mistakes on 12:07 - Feb 1 with 1295 views | swanjackal |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:57 - Feb 1 by giantstoneater |
Paloschi didn`t turn out to be a success he did not settle I`m sure that I read something that HJ along the lines of we will wait until the Euros are over before making moves for our targets (I might be wrong on that one) but we took all summer to sign two strikers who had no involvement in the Euros and I`m not sure what involvement FG had in those two signings perhaps Llorente because he played in Italian football Borja I`m not too sure. Football played under FG last season was quite conservative but his teams in Italy had a more attacking/high pressing style so I would have thought he would have liked to bring in one or two players he has worked with before but what do we know what goes on in those marbled halls! |
I don't doubt that he had other targets other than what was brought in. I just don't think he was allowed them. He didn't have to stay in the position if he didn't feel he had control, but he chose to, so he knew what he signed up for. Which is why I wouldn't like to work under a DOF if I were a manager.
Also, I don't think he had any impact on any players brought in, even Llorente, unless we are firmly in the good signing = managr, bad signing = Jenkins domain.
He did play attacking football then, albeit in a slower paced league, I just don't think he fully appreciated the pace of the Prem league, and his tactics, I would say desperate more than conservative, under us did see us remain in the league, although there was no improvement to the style evident at the beginning of this season that they would improve, and he continued with us playing in a disjointed, negative manner. | |
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| Three Big Mistakes on 12:07 - Feb 1 with 1293 views | Darran |
| Three Big Mistakes on 11:43 - Feb 1 by giantstoneater |
I don`t know Darren I am not ITK but like most managers I would have thought he would have liked to bring in a couple of players that he has worked with before to help implement any new formations he wanted to try usually those would be a couple of midfielders and we only signed Fer in those positions I guess he would have remembered Llorente from his stint in Italy but Borja I`m not sure. Were you happy with the window in the summer Darren? |
No I wasn't mate. | |
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| Three Big Mistakes on 12:23 - Feb 1 with 1238 views | giantstoneater |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:07 - Feb 1 by swanjackal |
I don't doubt that he had other targets other than what was brought in. I just don't think he was allowed them. He didn't have to stay in the position if he didn't feel he had control, but he chose to, so he knew what he signed up for. Which is why I wouldn't like to work under a DOF if I were a manager.
Also, I don't think he had any impact on any players brought in, even Llorente, unless we are firmly in the good signing = managr, bad signing = Jenkins domain.
He did play attacking football then, albeit in a slower paced league, I just don't think he fully appreciated the pace of the Prem league, and his tactics, I would say desperate more than conservative, under us did see us remain in the league, although there was no improvement to the style evident at the beginning of this season that they would improve, and he continued with us playing in a disjointed, negative manner. |
Slower and a notoriously defensive league its true but he liked to have a crack at the big boys. FG`s reign will always be one of those Swansea City puzzles just like the issue of who is in control of transfer targets we will never know the full truth I`m not sure if FG would have been given the push after keeping us up would they have brought BB in then that possibility would have been frightening after what we know now. | | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:25 - Feb 1 with 1229 views | giantstoneater |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:07 - Feb 1 by Darran |
No I wasn't mate. |
I doubt if FG was either but he should have had the balls to say so. | | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:31 - Feb 1 with 1198 views | swanjackal |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:23 - Feb 1 by giantstoneater |
Slower and a notoriously defensive league its true but he liked to have a crack at the big boys. FG`s reign will always be one of those Swansea City puzzles just like the issue of who is in control of transfer targets we will never know the full truth I`m not sure if FG would have been given the push after keeping us up would they have brought BB in then that possibility would have been frightening after what we know now. |
We won't know the full extent, but I'm guessing Leadbeater and Jenkins control the actual players coming in, whereas the "head coach" identifies the positions needed to strengthen. Whether they supply a list for the head coach to decide on which players to go after first, or even the head coach gives a list of targets that the scouting team looks at for a fit (the better of the two options), this may happen, but garnering the players we seem interested in rarely change much between managers, I'm assuming they are being supplied with the players.
I think someone made the point earlier, if Bradley was installed in the summer, maybe he would have been found out early enough that a decent manager would have come in quicker, and we would not have been as in such a precarious position. Or maybe other viable targets would have been available. One thing is for certain, we can't live off hindsight, or we all would starve. | |
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| Three Big Mistakes on 12:56 - Feb 1 with 1127 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Three Big Mistakes on 10:44 - Feb 1 by Darran |
He didn't. We were worse in some games than the shit under Monk. We stayed up under nothing but an average manager who should never have had the job on the back of next to fuçk all last season. [Post edited 1 Feb 2017 10:48]
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He should be credited for keeping us up IMO but I don't think he was the right choice this summer.
I wonder what has kept the board from appointing Clement on the past few occasions? |  | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:58 - Feb 1 with 1112 views | swanjackal |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:56 - Feb 1 by AngelRangelQS |
He should be credited for keeping us up IMO but I don't think he was the right choice this summer.
I wonder what has kept the board from appointing Clement on the past few occasions? |
Acute myopia? | |
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| Three Big Mistakes on 13:12 - Feb 1 with 793 views | dobjack2 |
| Three Big Mistakes on 12:56 - Feb 1 by AngelRangelQS |
He should be credited for keeping us up IMO but I don't think he was the right choice this summer.
I wonder what has kept the board from appointing Clement on the past few occasions? |
They had more important things on their minds in the summer - $$$$$ | | | |
| Three Big Mistakes on 14:28 - Feb 1 with 750 views | jasper_T |
It's not like Clement is a guarantee of success, or especially well-qualified as a manager. It's hardly a puzzle why the board went for Guidolin and then Bradley before him; one had just engineered a great escape, the other had the right passport. | | | |
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