| Sooner Harry fcks off the better 16:47 - Sep 14 with 24327 views | QPR1882 |
YES it is his fault
He trains them, he picks the team,he picks the formation
He makes us look mugs ever time we are live on tv |  | | |  |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 18:58 - Sep 15 with 1714 views | essextaxiboy |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 17:27 - Sep 15 by jamois |
Taxi I find that a very limited perspective. What it effectively means is that the objective next year will be exactly the same because there is no forward planning and no development of the playing side of the club. We'll be aiming for 17th again next season. You may feel that your opinion is a very pragmatic one, but I personally doubt that clubs like Swansea, Hull, certainly not Southampton, are competing with the same perspective. I think their aims are broader and their blueprints for playing football certainly more evolved than ours. And this has been the case since any of them were promoted. |
No , its actually unlimited ....assuming we achieve 17th this season , for me the objective next is 16th and so on . gradually recycling the squad to improve it and a planned progression of management. That way you have an acheivable target to measure against all the time . Small steps and lots of them .
Invest reasonable money in the youth development and hopefully bring young players through to either play or provide a revenue stream .
Redknapps task last year was promotion , whether we won the league by 20 points or scored in the last minute at Wembley .. He did it and took the first step back , lets see if he can take the next one ...as you know I think he can |  | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:03 - Sep 15 with 1708 views | mendipexile |
Don't know if getting rid now would be the right move but HR and the assembled masses of the 'coaching staff' have to take responsibilty as well as the players. i would miss him though...did you see the post match press conf..."errrr.......yeah Fer's not fit......been away two weeks aint he....with Holland....didn't play a game...they probably only used him as a cone in training of something.."...Used him as a cone....FFS....priceless..... |  | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:11 - Sep 15 with 1693 views | jamois |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 18:58 - Sep 15 by essextaxiboy |
No , its actually unlimited ....assuming we achieve 17th this season , for me the objective next is 16th and so on . gradually recycling the squad to improve it and a planned progression of management. That way you have an acheivable target to measure against all the time . Small steps and lots of them .
Invest reasonable money in the youth development and hopefully bring young players through to either play or provide a revenue stream .
Redknapps task last year was promotion , whether we won the league by 20 points or scored in the last minute at Wembley .. He did it and took the first step back , lets see if he can take the next one ...as you know I think he can |
Look, I hear you right. And by gawd i hope you're right. But what about the playing side of things? Don't you think, even as an ardent Harry fan, that we seem woefully coached? |  |
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:14 - Sep 15 with 1688 views | terryb |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 14:21 - Sep 15 by PinnerPaul |
RFA - We didn't win ONE single away game under Hughes!
Man City - We thought we had to win to stay up - no choice there.
Generally under Hughes we were dreadful away from home. & our victories at home v the big teams that season were generally achieved by sitting back and soaking up pressure, not going for it! |
Absolutely right that we didn't win an away game under Hughes. It is also correct that the wins at the end of the season were based on soaking up pressure.
However, we did score more goals per match with him as manager than we have in the Premier under Redknapp.
What is really frighening is that the football was better & more attractive prior to the arrival of HR.
This is not meant as any defence of Hughes, but I fail to see that we have improved since his departure. | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:31 - Sep 15 with 1670 views | essextaxiboy |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:11 - Sep 15 by jamois |
Look, I hear you right. And by gawd i hope you're right. But what about the playing side of things? Don't you think, even as an ardent Harry fan, that we seem woefully coached? |
Alex Ferguson didnt do much hands on coaching , relying on assistants to implement his ideas. By engaging Mclaren and Hoddle I think he realises that he needs more than Jordan and Bond .
He also likes experienced players who can think for themselves and understand quickly rather than having to be walked through everything .. its a method which probably reflects his age and mobility | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:40 - Sep 15 with 1660 views | PunteR |
I don't think Rednapp should be sacked. Way too early.
They had more better players then us.
We had chances but didn't use the ball well.
I'm still not sure on Austin at this level and Hoilet and Philips are not top premiership players either.
We've got to stabilize the club, sacking Rednapp won't help. |  |
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 21:13 - Sep 15 with 1603 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:31 - Sep 15 by essextaxiboy |
Alex Ferguson didnt do much hands on coaching , relying on assistants to implement his ideas. By engaging Mclaren and Hoddle I think he realises that he needs more than Jordan and Bond .
He also likes experienced players who can think for themselves and understand quickly rather than having to be walked through everything .. its a method which probably reflects his age and mobility |
Oh God, will you please stop invoking Ferguson in your defence of Harry! Ferguson won dozens of trophies at both an unfashionable club that did little before he arrived or since he left and turned a pathetic club in the doldrums for years with a dilapidated stadium into one of the most feared clubs in the world, winning 20 championships and a few European trophies. What he did or didn't do is completely irrelevant to what Redknapp does or doesn't do. Ferguson was a great motivator, a great tactician, a great trainer and a winner who built several great sides using both youngsters and more experienced players - but generally liked young players he could influence and mould. Comparing him to Redknapp is like comparing your posts to the works of Shakespeare. |  |
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 21:18 - Sep 15 with 1599 views | kysersosaqpr |
Feck, drink, wimen! | |
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 22:38 - Sep 15 with 1545 views | TheBlob |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 21:13 - Sep 15 by Antti_Heinola |
Oh God, will you please stop invoking Ferguson in your defence of Harry! Ferguson won dozens of trophies at both an unfashionable club that did little before he arrived or since he left and turned a pathetic club in the doldrums for years with a dilapidated stadium into one of the most feared clubs in the world, winning 20 championships and a few European trophies. What he did or didn't do is completely irrelevant to what Redknapp does or doesn't do. Ferguson was a great motivator, a great tactician, a great trainer and a winner who built several great sides using both youngsters and more experienced players - but generally liked young players he could influence and mould. Comparing him to Redknapp is like comparing your posts to the works of Shakespeare. |
Ferguson nearly lost his job and then the Martin Edwards chequebook arrived.Don't forget that much of the time the oil rich owners and the like just weren't interested in football and there was little or no opposition.Ferguson was able to buy title after title. [Post edited 15 Sep 2014 22:41]
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 07:47 - Sep 16 with 1402 views | wgchoop |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 20:21 - Sep 14 by Bluce_Ree |
Not sure I'd sack him now. I'd rather go back in time and never hire him.
We've got a bloated, messy squad that won't even attempt to win the difficult games. It's going to fking suck supporting the Rs this year.
Still, it's better than supporting someone else and by default being a c*nt. |
Best last line on this thread and something I think we can all agree on.
U Rsssssss |  | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 10:30 - Sep 16 with 1353 views | makaveli1882 |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 14:09 - Sep 15 by PinnerPaul |
I think you missed one out there - small game at Wembley?
You may have heard it mentioned once or twice? |
No I didn't miss one out at all, did we play Wembley F.C away ???
Pretty sure we played Derby County at a neutral Venue, and I was referring to our pathetic away form since the Christmas | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 11:45 - Sep 16 with 1316 views | PinnerPaul |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 10:30 - Sep 16 by makaveli1882 |
No I didn't miss one out at all, did we play Wembley F.C away ???
Pretty sure we played Derby County at a neutral Venue, and I was referring to our pathetic away form since the Christmas |
Not at home = away to me, but lets not dwell on one of the greatest days in the club's history eh?!
Lets go over the same old ground we went over after Tottenham. | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 12:09 - Sep 16 with 1295 views | paulparker |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 11:45 - Sep 16 by PinnerPaul |
Not at home = away to me, but lets not dwell on one of the greatest days in the club's history eh?!
Lets go over the same old ground we went over after Tottenham. |
Not Just Spurs Pinner but
Burton
Charlton
Forrest
Blackburn
Sheff Wed
Burnley
Leicester
Bournemouth
Derby
Everton (fa cup )
those are the away games off the top of my head we have been absolutory sh*t in
Surrendering before a ball being kicked without hardly threating the opposition
with dodgy team selections, powder puff tackling , zero passion
the thing they all have in common is our Arry was in charge overlooking them
(btw I do not include the terrible away performances when HR had us last in the Prem either ) |  |
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 12:49 - Sep 16 with 1260 views | makaveli1882 |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 11:45 - Sep 16 by PinnerPaul |
Not at home = away to me, but lets not dwell on one of the greatest days in the club's history eh?!
Lets go over the same old ground we went over after Tottenham. |
Not at home = away to me, ..............Also away for Derby though, You know how Football works if you reach a Final its played at mutual venue so there is not an advantage for either team
And in regards to the game we all know we got lucky that's why its so funny and unlike Rangers, 10 men, last minute goal one of our first shots etc etc ...but yeah great day but irrelevant to our Away record since the Christmas period which is poxy down to his tactics.
Just to confirm Wembley is not an away game | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 15:57 - Sep 16 with 1190 views | QPR1882 |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 12:49 - Sep 16 by makaveli1882 |
Not at home = away to me, ..............Also away for Derby though, You know how Football works if you reach a Final its played at mutual venue so there is not an advantage for either team
And in regards to the game we all know we got lucky that's why its so funny and unlike Rangers, 10 men, last minute goal one of our first shots etc etc ...but yeah great day but irrelevant to our Away record since the Christmas period which is poxy down to his tactics.
Just to confirm Wembley is not an away game |
Just a quick question whose tactics won us the game at Wembley ?
Our £3m a year manager who did not have a clue what to do when he was going to make a substitution and was about to take off Hoilett off .
Or
Clint hill who could see we needed to keep Derby under some sort of pressure so suggested he came off and Hoilett ( who by the way won the ball in our half before racing up the field to win a tackle and cross for that goal ) stay on.
HR is tactically inept TWICE Hill had to make important tactical calls for him , in the final and the semi at HQ, without these calls we could well have been in the Championship. | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 16:05 - Sep 16 with 1184 views | PinnerPaul |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 15:57 - Sep 16 by QPR1882 |
Just a quick question whose tactics won us the game at Wembley ?
Our £3m a year manager who did not have a clue what to do when he was going to make a substitution and was about to take off Hoilett off .
Or
Clint hill who could see we needed to keep Derby under some sort of pressure so suggested he came off and Hoilett ( who by the way won the ball in our half before racing up the field to win a tackle and cross for that goal ) stay on.
HR is tactically inept TWICE Hill had to make important tactical calls for him , in the final and the semi at HQ, without these calls we could well have been in the Championship. |
Another quick question
What did you think of McClaren's tactics at Wembley?
As I have said before if it was Harry whose team failed to breakdown 10 men in half an hour by playing every ball into the box so MOTM could head it clear AND leave their most creative and dangerous forward on the bench until last 5 minutes I wonder what the reaction would have been on here?
Yes we played badly at Man U but the ott reaction, like after Spurs, where we basically say we have never played well under Harry and we wererubbish the whole of last season inc Wembley is just ridiculous. | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 16:16 - Sep 16 with 1174 views | QPR1882 |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 16:05 - Sep 16 by PinnerPaul |
Another quick question
What did you think of McClaren's tactics at Wembley?
As I have said before if it was Harry whose team failed to breakdown 10 men in half an hour by playing every ball into the box so MOTM could head it clear AND leave their most creative and dangerous forward on the bench until last 5 minutes I wonder what the reaction would have been on here?
Yes we played badly at Man U but the ott reaction, like after Spurs, where we basically say we have never played well under Harry and we wererubbish the whole of last season inc Wembley is just ridiculous. |
Derbys tactics were very good, most agreed it had been a smash and grab by us. We had one shot on goal, the all important one but why did we play so deep and rely on Green,hardly great tactics. Does not take away the fact at a time of pressure a CB was making calls a manager should.
As for last season when Harry was laid low with his knee and SM was pulling the strings we were 5 points clear at the top, when Harry came back and SM left we finished the season 12 points adrift of 2nd, yes we lost Charlie for a while but whose fault is it not having a back up striker ? [Post edited 16 Sep 2014 16:21]
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 16:22 - Sep 16 with 1166 views | essextaxiboy |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 15:57 - Sep 16 by QPR1882 |
Just a quick question whose tactics won us the game at Wembley ?
Our £3m a year manager who did not have a clue what to do when he was going to make a substitution and was about to take off Hoilett off .
Or
Clint hill who could see we needed to keep Derby under some sort of pressure so suggested he came off and Hoilett ( who by the way won the ball in our half before racing up the field to win a tackle and cross for that goal ) stay on.
HR is tactically inept TWICE Hill had to make important tactical calls for him , in the final and the semi at HQ, without these calls we could well have been in the Championship. |
As you would expect I see those situations differently . Redknapp was about to make his last substittutions in games that were looking like extra time . Only Clint would know if he was capable of that and called time on himself . At Wembley it meant Charlie Austin our best chance of a winner playing in left midfield . I believe that it was all about his fear of not being able to see the game out ,selfless of him but a tactical masterstroke? | | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 17:07 - Sep 16 with 1146 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 16:22 - Sep 16 by essextaxiboy |
As you would expect I see those situations differently . Redknapp was about to make his last substittutions in games that were looking like extra time . Only Clint would know if he was capable of that and called time on himself . At Wembley it meant Charlie Austin our best chance of a winner playing in left midfield . I believe that it was all about his fear of not being able to see the game out ,selfless of him but a tactical masterstroke? |
Not a tactical masterstroke, no. But obvious common sense, which makes it worse, really that Harry didn't spot it. | |
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 17:18 - Sep 16 with 1134 views | paulparker |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 17:07 - Sep 16 by Antti_Heinola |
Not a tactical masterstroke, no. But obvious common sense, which makes it worse, really that Harry didn't spot it. |
TBF Antti , Harry was preoccupied with what Golf club to join | |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 17:31 - Sep 16 with 1121 views | stevec |
It's a tactical masterstroke to get a club with 18000 capacity into the Premier League and actually believe we've a chance of staying there.
FFS get off the mans back. |  | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 17:37 - Sep 16 with 1111 views | daveB |
amazing we've ever won a game under him if he's so clueless |  | | |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:12 - Sep 16 with 1086 views | derbyhoop |
Our season is not going to be defined by away games to any of the top 7 clubs. We're going to need around 10 wins this season and, with maybe a rare exception, they are going to come against the other 12 clubs that are unlikely to be challenging for anything in the League.
Nevertheless, the performances in the 2 away games have been woeful and, for £3m per annum, some of the blame has to rest with Harry.
BUT
if we are going to replace him, what REALISTIC targets can we set for any new man
is there anybody better than HR who would come to us, given our likely struggle this season
Redknapp, as things stand, is out of contract next Summer. Wouldn't it be better to let a highly experienced PL manager do his best with the budget available
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| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 19:14 - Sep 16 with 1081 views | Jamie |
| Sooner Harry fcks off the better on 17:37 - Sep 16 by daveB |
amazing we've ever won a game under him if he's so clueless |
You aren't the only one. | | | |
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