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Pretty little touches, never moves out of the centre circle,, stylish, great posture but actually contributes absolutely nothing to our game. Splendid, super, and armchair TV fans probably think he's great.
A future career as a pundit, no doubt, beckons. Why else would he need to speak such good English?
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 10:02 - Jan 6 with 1573 views
Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 09:06 - Jan 6 by smegma
'That' steward still works as a steward and must be in his late 70s now. His names Tom. Lovely bloke, used to be a caretaker on the Edward Woods Estate in the 70s and would always let us play football on the grass in front of the flats even when residents complained.He'd tell us to "go away for 10 mins then come back when I 've gone, I won't answer my front door for the next 2 hours now" !!!
I used to sit on the wall behind the goal and managed to get my feet stuck behind the advertising hording, it was that steward (Tom) who had to lift me out. Very embarrassing for an 8 year old in 1978, can't believe he is still working there.
And Wilkins was a fantastic player for us and only played on out of desperation after the team had been stripped of its stars.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 10:41 - Jan 6 with 1549 views
"Pretty little touches, never moves out of the centre circle,, stylish, great posture but actually contributes absolutely nothing to our game. Splendid, super, and armchair TV fans probably think he's great"
Thats a great little retrospective of 'sideways Wilkins', Lofty.
Also applies to Granero.
Currently residing in Pinner, Centre of the Universe.
Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 09:19 - Jan 6 by TheBlob
Always thought Raymondo was a watered down version of (a fit) Gerry Francis - extended to management also.No bad thing.The holding role in midfield spraying the ball around is so vital and Granero has that ability and vision.Not as good as Don Masson,but that pivotal role doesn't have to be spectacular to succeed.Raymondo was a top man.
Wilkins more or less replaced Francis in the England set up.They were both on the tour to America in 1976 to commemorate USAs bicentennial. Gerry captained England vs Italy but took a knock causing him to miss the next game. Wilkins made his England debut in the next game vs Brazil. Francis made his last appearance for England a couple of weeks later vs Finland whereas Ray 'show me how many caps you have' went on to play for England for the next 10 years.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 11:03 - Jan 6 with 1518 views
Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 10:53 - Jan 6 by smegma
Wilkins more or less replaced Francis in the England set up.They were both on the tour to America in 1976 to commemorate USAs bicentennial. Gerry captained England vs Italy but took a knock causing him to miss the next game. Wilkins made his England debut in the next game vs Brazil. Francis made his last appearance for England a couple of weeks later vs Finland whereas Ray 'show me how many caps you have' went on to play for England for the next 10 years.
Yup.If Gerry hadn't had that persistent back trouble maybe he would have lived up to the "new Bobby Charlton" billing.Raymondo didn't quite have the physical presence to compete for the title.Same with Granero,needs to get a bit more weight training in imho.
Wilkins and Francis were completely different players.
Francis was a dynamic box-to-box midfielder with a fantastic football brain and a superb finisher to boot. The classic goal against Liverpool in 75/76 exemplifies this.
Wilkins was fundamentally a passer, and usually a first time one, able to see a pass before he received the ball. Andy Sinton, for one, was so effective because of the early service he received from Wilkins.
As somebody poster earlier, I can't believe I'm reading this thread. Anybody unable to recognise what a fantastic player Ray was for us has extraordinarily high standards. I've been a supporter for 45 years and Wilkins would be in my all-time XI - with Francis.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 11:12 - Jan 6 with 1499 views
Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 20:33 - Jan 5 by smegma
Is the correct answer. I remember being at a LSA meeting with the club when i asked why he was picking himself instead of the younger/better Osborn who had cost over a £million. His answer was 'its always nice to stroke your ego'.
Great player/disastrous manager and a c*nt if you ever met him.AKUTRs Dave Thomas met him and asked him similar questions and his answer was 'show us how many England caps you have'.
Classic example of manager under pressure saying something he would later regret. One of the cuff remark to a question he was probably being abused about all the time is brought up to bash him with 17 years later. Personally, I never thought Osborn lived up to his substantial hype. I don't believe he ever played in the Premier League again after leaving us.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 11:59 - Jan 6 with 1454 views
Perhaps this was the OP's aim, but I've rarely been more annoyed by a viewpoint.
Anyone who knows anything - and I mean *anything* about football and who watched Rangers when Wilkins was at the heart of our midfield knows that he was a simply superb player for us. You only have to remember the hero worship he got when he came back for his ill-fated spell as manager. Yes, the last year or so he wasn't the same player, but before that he was utterly sublime. Ask Les Ferdinand if he thought all Wilkins did was make sideways passes. He made us tick, he was always available, a supremely intelligent footballer.
Just one example of zillions, I remember a pass he made at Ipswich during a 3-1 win. Impey got two that day I think (he was just turning from being a bit of a boo-boy to being really appreciated at the time), but Les's goal was great - both because of the finish, but also because of Wilkins' pass. With the outside of the boot, he played a firm pass to cut the defence in half - but he put vicious spin on it, so when Les ran onto it, it virtually stopped dead, allowing him to smash it in. It was genius.
And no, he wasn't as good as Francis - but very, very few players in the last 60 or so years were as good as Francis - the injury that ruined his career was an absolute travesty for Rangers, for England and for Gerry himself.
Bare bones.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 12:04 - Jan 6 with 1445 views
Incredible thread. Wilkins had several brilliant seasons for us, even if he did go on too long. If he was overrated, he was overrated enough to play for the biggest clubs in England, Scotland and Italy and to win 82 England caps. I'm more inclined to think the OP has got it wrong, rather than all the managers who signed or picked Wilkins.
As for Granero, he started brilliantly for us. I remain hopeful we'll see the best of him again. Against Chelsea at home he was a joy to watch.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 12:08 - Jan 6 with 1436 views
Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 11:59 - Jan 6 by Antti_Heinola
Perhaps this was the OP's aim, but I've rarely been more annoyed by a viewpoint.
Anyone who knows anything - and I mean *anything* about football and who watched Rangers when Wilkins was at the heart of our midfield knows that he was a simply superb player for us. You only have to remember the hero worship he got when he came back for his ill-fated spell as manager. Yes, the last year or so he wasn't the same player, but before that he was utterly sublime. Ask Les Ferdinand if he thought all Wilkins did was make sideways passes. He made us tick, he was always available, a supremely intelligent footballer.
Just one example of zillions, I remember a pass he made at Ipswich during a 3-1 win. Impey got two that day I think (he was just turning from being a bit of a boo-boy to being really appreciated at the time), but Les's goal was great - both because of the finish, but also because of Wilkins' pass. With the outside of the boot, he played a firm pass to cut the defence in half - but he put vicious spin on it, so when Les ran onto it, it virtually stopped dead, allowing him to smash it in. It was genius.
And no, he wasn't as good as Francis - but very, very few players in the last 60 or so years were as good as Francis - the injury that ruined his career was an absolute travesty for Rangers, for England and for Gerry himself.
Hardly zillions.Wilkins was capable of the odd(for him)aberration of a long ball. If it were zillions he would have accrued the soubriquet of "Radar Ray" or something - not The Crab.I'm not arguing(since this seems to be a dig at me)that Raymondo was a poor player,rather that he wasn't the much vaunted all-rounder that some people believe him to be.I have great fondness for his times at R's and I don't think he should be referred to as W@nkins.
Wilkins was a top player for us and I think it's a myth about him picking himself too much in our relegation season. Wilkins should have picked himself more to be honest but went with a young Quashie along with Barker and Holloway for most games. the only times he did play was when senior players were injured and we needed a bit of experience in the team.
Poor managr but as a player he was fantastic for us, one of the best midfielders I've ever seen at QPR.
I also thought Granero played ok yesterday as well.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 17:28 - Jan 6 with 1304 views
We are now three pages in and everyone is in absolute agreement with this...maybe a first time for this forum. Time to lynch the OP.
Talking of Francis and Wilkins how good was Trevor Francis when he ended his career with us? Another useless manager, but I will never forget his hat trick up at Villa. The third goal was sublime.
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Granero , the new Ray W@nkins? on 18:51 - Jan 6 with 1267 views
Wilkins was a superb midfielder for us, and a very positive one too.
I also had a bad experience with him at a meeting. AKUTR's met the Board and Dave Thomas asked me along. The Board brought in Wilkins in to deflect attention away from themselves and in an attempt to alter the agenda. He couldn't have been more insulting. I was very surprised but he was obviously a man under huge pressure. I'd prefer not to judge him on that hour.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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