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A very long answer to the very un-Offish 'curved ball' question, which some will buy, and some of us won't. I don't think it's too hard a job to join up the dots for Marti between the six goals we conceded and the six changes the manager made, which were at least four or five more at least than he would have done had Leicester been a league game. Either way, not to flog our dead F A Cup horse, we're out of the cup in rather humiliating fashion - again! Just has has been said of Nourry not expressing enough humility about 'getting it wrong' on today's thread about him, either way, I'd have liked to have seen the same thing from Marti.
Plymouth will be a tough game, especially after their cup success, and, personally, I don't think our prospects of three points will have been improved by last weekend's ill-advised rotation. Football is all about confidence and momentum, and Jake's feelings looked like they were on the floor on Saturday, while Edwards will hardly have got the baptism he wanted. That's what happens when you change it all up, more often than not. Some will consider all is forgiven/vindicated if we win, of course.
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 17:20 - Jan 16 by stainrods_elbow
A very long answer to the very un-Offish 'curved ball' question, which some will buy, and some of us won't. I don't think it's too hard a job to join up the dots for Marti between the six goals we conceded and the six changes the manager made, which were at least four or five more at least than he would have done had Leicester been a league game. Either way, not to flog our dead F A Cup horse, we're out of the cup in rather humiliating fashion - again! Just has has been said of Nourry not expressing enough humility about 'getting it wrong' on today's thread about him, either way, I'd have liked to have seen the same thing from Marti.
Plymouth will be a tough game, especially after their cup success, and, personally, I don't think our prospects of three points will have been improved by last weekend's ill-advised rotation. Football is all about confidence and momentum, and Jake's feelings looked like they were on the floor on Saturday, while Edwards will hardly have got the baptism he wanted. That's what happens when you change it all up, more often than not. Some will consider all is forgiven/vindicated if we win, of course.
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I thought he defended his decisions very well. He puts his trust and belief in his players and, if he is to get the same back from them, he has to demonstrate it by giving them opportunities. He has, on a few occasions, rotated the squad for league games albeit not to quite the same extent and not with the keeper.
Unfortunately, we were undone by individual errors which may well have happened to any of those that were rotated as well.
Fortunately, it won't have affected the confidence of Jimmy Dunne. The squad have had a clear week to put it behind them and get back the positivity that they have been demonstrating recently.
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 11:16 - Jan 17 with 1332 views
I said it on the day that MC's team selection was well acceptable at Leicester.....and I stick by my opinions despite a 6-2 defeat. The man that cost us mainly would probably (and arguably) have been in the starting 11 anyways.
Keep up the good work MC & his team, no issues team selection wise with me but I do think Colback should be a starter on Saturday.
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 12:17 - Jan 17 with 1117 views
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 11:54 - Jan 17 by gazza1
I said it on the day that MC's team selection was well acceptable at Leicester.....and I stick by my opinions despite a 6-2 defeat. The man that cost us mainly would probably (and arguably) have been in the starting 11 anyways.
Keep up the good work MC & his team, no issues team selection wise with me but I do think Colback should be a starter on Saturday.
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Agree on Colback - everything I’ve seen of Plymouth this season and talking to my Plymouth mate their central midfield is pretty weak. Win in there and we should have a chance (ie no Madsen as well)
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 13:34 - Jan 17 with 1012 views
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 12:17 - Jan 17 by queensparker
Agree on Colback - everything I’ve seen of Plymouth this season and talking to my Plymouth mate their central midfield is pretty weak. Win in there and we should have a chance (ie no Madsen as well)
Yeh it's basically Randell against the world in there.
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 11:54 - Jan 17 by gazza1
I said it on the day that MC's team selection was well acceptable at Leicester.....and I stick by my opinions despite a 6-2 defeat. The man that cost us mainly would probably (and arguably) have been in the starting 11 anyways.
Keep up the good work MC & his team, no issues team selection wise with me but I do think Colback should be a starter on Saturday.
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Lets see if you are happy if he picks the same team tomorrow and if losing does nothing about it until we are 3 goals behind. His lack of subs in the second half spoke volumes.
I love Marti and think he's done a great job with us but that was rubbish last week. I do get why he changed it but last week was so disappointing, I've still got the hump about it
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 14:49 - Jan 17 with 829 views
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 11:07 - Jan 17 by francisbowles
I thought he defended his decisions very well. He puts his trust and belief in his players and, if he is to get the same back from them, he has to demonstrate it by giving them opportunities. He has, on a few occasions, rotated the squad for league games albeit not to quite the same extent and not with the keeper.
Unfortunately, we were undone by individual errors which may well have happened to any of those that were rotated as well.
Fortunately, it won't have affected the confidence of Jimmy Dunne. The squad have had a clear week to put it behind them and get back the positivity that they have been demonstrating recently.
Unconvincing to say the least. As I pointed out at the time, if you change your keeper, central defence, centre mid, and centre forward, the wheels are likely to come off. Marti would (as you yourself concede) not have played such havoc with a winning team for a league game, so it should be clear to anyone he devalued the team in the Cup.
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 15:17 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow
Unconvincing to say the least. As I pointed out at the time, if you change your keeper, central defence, centre mid, and centre forward, the wheels are likely to come off. Marti would (as you yourself concede) not have played such havoc with a winning team for a league game, so it should be clear to anyone he devalued the team in the Cup.
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You make it sound like we used under 18 players in the team, no, Walsh, Edwards, Madsen and Kolli are all part of the senior squad. The reaction online for when the the team was announced was overwhelmingly positive, the hindsight from the few following the result is interesting to say the least
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 15:51 - Jan 17 with 650 views
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 15:39 - Jan 17 by QPRSam
You make it sound like we used under 18 players in the team, no, Walsh, Edwards, Madsen and Kolli are all part of the senior squad. The reaction online for when the the team was announced was overwhelmingly positive, the hindsight from the few following the result is interesting to say the least
It certainly wasn't 'overwhelmingly positive' - there were lots of disgruntled voices if you go back and look at the match thread. And the point isn't a matter of the 'status' of the players thrown in - it's about disrupting a winning team from front to back by playing players who haven't played or shouldn't be (Walsh, Edwards, Madsen etc.) and creating an experimental side that was bound to be incohesive.
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 15:17 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow
Unconvincing to say the least. As I pointed out at the time, if you change your keeper, central defence, centre mid, and centre forward, the wheels are likely to come off. Marti would (as you yourself concede) not have played such havoc with a winning team for a league game, so it should be clear to anyone he devalued the team in the Cup.
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You keep 'banging on' about MC's team selection SE, bit like I did when we had the pleasure of LD playing CF for us but I think my criticism was just and valid because I saw it week in and week out with my own eyes.
I have no doubt, rightly or wrongly, MC's priority (& the Club) is Championship football and get as many points as possible, not because of relegation imho but because that is their priority. I hope you agree with that one SE.
Now lets talk about Team selection. Firstly the keeper, he may be needed if Nardi gets injured so he needs to be a little up to speed so surely you understand why he needed to get some game time. Then you look at the back 4, Dunne has been played to death this season and a vital part of the Team plus perhaps he was carrying a couple of minor knocks. I have seen him hobbling around in the last match so, just perhaps it was an opportunity to give him a day off. It was quite important to give an initiation to Edwards as he may be needed for first team action very soon, perhaps. Clark-Salter came into the side which, hopefully you will agree, enhances the team and also gives him an opportunity to get up to speed with his fitness. Ashby has been pretty much playing frequently from the start for many games this season. So defensively I do not believe that we were too weakened on the face of it. Moving to midfield, Chair, Field & Varane are regulars so I presume you have no issues. So Saiko & Madson was introduced, Saiko understandably for Smyth whom looked tired against Luton and took a heavy knock as well. Hopefully you get that change too because it isn't difficult to understand. Then Madsen which is not difficult to argue against except, perhaps, MC thinks he needs game time and I understand that as well but I also understand why many think he is not very good or worse (not my view though). Up front he played Kolli whom replaced an ageing Frey and maybe a delicate Frey. Once again, I concur with MC resting him or giving Killi more first team experience. So that is my stance and I will be very difficult to move on those opionions.
The result, 6-2......very disappointing but if you make as many individual mistakes as we did then that will happen against Premier League, albeit, low level team. We are not going to win the Cup anyways so lets get up the league with fitter players and a bigger squad availability, younsters learning and players and Management learning about the Premier game and the players.
No issues at all except the result was disappionting.
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 16:07 - Jan 17 with 586 views
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 15:51 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow
It certainly wasn't 'overwhelmingly positive' - there were lots of disgruntled voices if you go back and look at the match thread. And the point isn't a matter of the 'status' of the players thrown in - it's about disrupting a winning team from front to back by playing players who haven't played or shouldn't be (Walsh, Edwards, Madsen etc.) and creating an experimental side that was bound to be incohesive.
It was on twitter, I didn't check the board. Isn't it a thought we don't completely throw in the towel on our 3m investment on Madsen, just like we didn't do so with Marti? How are the players meant to improve, become cohesive etc. It certainly wasn't an unknown core with JCS, Paal, Field, Varane, Chair, Saito, Kolli
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 16:08 - Jan 17 with 574 views
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 14:30 - Jan 17 by daveB
Lets see if you are happy if he picks the same team tomorrow and if losing does nothing about it until we are 3 goals behind. His lack of subs in the second half spoke volumes.
I love Marti and think he's done a great job with us but that was rubbish last week. I do get why he changed it but last week was so disappointing, I've still got the hump about it
You think what you like but I do not have a problem with what and how he, MC, did at Leicester.........I lay no blame on him whatsoever - I blame the players and not all of them either.
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 16:12 - Jan 17 with 550 views
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 16:07 - Jan 17 by QPRSam
It was on twitter, I didn't check the board. Isn't it a thought we don't completely throw in the towel on our 3m investment on Madsen, just like we didn't do so with Marti? How are the players meant to improve, become cohesive etc. It certainly wasn't an unknown core with JCS, Paal, Field, Varane, Chair, Saito, Kolli
I don't bother with Twitter. And you're still missing the point, which is (ab)using the FA Cup to make a whole raft of changes MC would never had made in the league.
Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 16:06 - Jan 17 by gazza1
You keep 'banging on' about MC's team selection SE, bit like I did when we had the pleasure of LD playing CF for us but I think my criticism was just and valid because I saw it week in and week out with my own eyes.
I have no doubt, rightly or wrongly, MC's priority (& the Club) is Championship football and get as many points as possible, not because of relegation imho but because that is their priority. I hope you agree with that one SE.
Now lets talk about Team selection. Firstly the keeper, he may be needed if Nardi gets injured so he needs to be a little up to speed so surely you understand why he needed to get some game time. Then you look at the back 4, Dunne has been played to death this season and a vital part of the Team plus perhaps he was carrying a couple of minor knocks. I have seen him hobbling around in the last match so, just perhaps it was an opportunity to give him a day off. It was quite important to give an initiation to Edwards as he may be needed for first team action very soon, perhaps. Clark-Salter came into the side which, hopefully you will agree, enhances the team and also gives him an opportunity to get up to speed with his fitness. Ashby has been pretty much playing frequently from the start for many games this season. So defensively I do not believe that we were too weakened on the face of it. Moving to midfield, Chair, Field & Varane are regulars so I presume you have no issues. So Saiko & Madson was introduced, Saiko understandably for Smyth whom looked tired against Luton and took a heavy knock as well. Hopefully you get that change too because it isn't difficult to understand. Then Madsen which is not difficult to argue against except, perhaps, MC thinks he needs game time and I understand that as well but I also understand why many think he is not very good or worse (not my view though). Up front he played Kolli whom replaced an ageing Frey and maybe a delicate Frey. Once again, I concur with MC resting him or giving Killi more first team experience. So that is my stance and I will be very difficult to move on those opionions.
The result, 6-2......very disappointing but if you make as many individual mistakes as we did then that will happen against Premier League, albeit, low level team. We are not going to win the Cup anyways so lets get up the league with fitter players and a bigger squad availability, younsters learning and players and Management learning about the Premier game and the players.
No issues at all except the result was disappionting.
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Brilliant post.
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Marti's pre-Plymouth talk on 16:29 - Jan 17 with 469 views
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