| Banned for your views 11:57 - Feb 3 with 26223 views | Hayesender |
Whatever your views on gender/race/religion etc, this is absolutely terrifying that a private company can have this much power |  |
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| Banned for your views on 17:24 - Feb 9 with 2496 views | golborne |
| Banned for your views on 15:39 - Feb 9 by LazyFan |
As a lefty, I try to understand the Tory party you want.
I could be wrong but it seems to be closer to One Nation Tories, the ilk of Cameron, Heath and even Boris. Sunak is clearly one of these, too.
They may lean towards the hard right now and again to get support (Boris with his letter), but they want to continue international capitalism and markets. They are more global than Thatcher, but they are the same nationally as Thatcher.
The hard right of the Tory party doesn't want to let the outside foreign capitalists in (closed shop just for them to be the elite), as they feel they cannot out-compete them in their international market domains and they don't like the national competition.
Reece-Mogg is one of those people who try to praise the class system, and you're not British like me attitude. As then, he wants to say x,y,z companies who are not British or not Britsh run at least (where British means the so-called elite like Mogg, not the workers) should not be allowed to operate in the UK and so on. Toby, who started all this, is also one of those. You notice that Newcastle his target is foreign-owned.
This goes against the One Nation Tories (despite their name), who wanna open it all up to international capitalists. And this is the real fight going on in the Tory party. Not, trans or wokism or if a banana should be straight or not, these are just topics to rile up support from people who have not been even given half the information and are peeed off for having been trashed on by the ruling classes (Starmer types).
If you want One Nation Tory policies you still can get that from the Liberals (proven with them going back on all their policies to ensure Tory policies were enacted in the alliance with Cameron.) or Starmers Blariite's old New Labour.
The risk for you with Starmer is what is expected to happen over here in left land, is that the fights in the Tory party will seem like a Tea party to what Starmer will get on him after his honeymoon period is over in 1.5 years of being PM. The fight is building up hard, and it will be way bigger than the Tory infighting. This means a resurgence in the left movement with Starmer as the target. The left could win back the party and govt so, so that's a risk to such views and that's why the papers will hammer Starmer in the election run-in. They are just saving it up, you'll see. |
Keen, and outspoken brexitierer Reece Mogg moved his investment companies to Dublin
within weeks, if not days of the Brexit vote.
Had it all packed up ready to go in case they actually won.
He had a big voice in the media trying to persuade the public to vote for something he didnāt personally believe was a good idea for our country
Slightly off topic, but it still gets my goat. Apologies |  | | |
| Banned for your views on 17:44 - Feb 9 with 2463 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Banned for your views on 16:45 - Feb 9 by SheffieldHoop |
The thread is about a female Newcastle fan being banned from going to Newcastle games because she tweeted about trans ideology. Nothing to do with Natwest, Coutts, or Farage. It's pure whataboutery.
Dame Alison leaked confidential information about Farage's banking. Why did she do that? Because Farage is seen as fair game for that kind of thing by this kind of person. Why is he seen as fair game? Because he holds views she finds intolerable. In an internal dossier, Coutts wrote that he "is at best seen as xenophobic and pandering to racists" and considered a "disingenuous grifter" - You use all the Guardian links you want to try and pretend it didn't happen mate, but we all watched it in real-time. |
Look. I can't do your thinking for you. If you choose to believe alternative facts, that's up to you. |  | | |
| Banned for your views on 20:17 - Feb 9 with 2296 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Banned for your views on 17:44 - Feb 9 by Sonic_Hoop |
Look. I can't do your thinking for you. If you choose to believe alternative facts, that's up to you. |
When offered a choice between 'MSM propaganda' or 'Alternative facts', I'll go for the facts every time. I don't like Kool-Aid. |  |
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| Banned for your views on 20:36 - Feb 9 with 2280 views | Damo1962 |
| Banned for your views on 12:27 - Feb 3 by kensalriser |
Bullshit. It's the complete opposite of what you think.
This is extremists trying to exploit football just like when the NF were handing out their filth outside football grounds in the 70s. The difference is that then they were a ragbag bunch of thugs and misfits, now they're organised and backed by posh people and wealthy neo-fascists. They don't believe in free speech at all, they want to whip up hatred and shut down people who don't agree with them. |
That sounds more like the so called "Progressive left" to me comrade. | | | |
| Banned for your views on 20:44 - Feb 9 with 2272 views | Discodroids |
lads, lads . lads.. in the words of Cameo, we all know who we are.
bite down on your gumsheild and move on. Clive don't need this agg. He's gelded jim the hip, lets cross the rubicon and move on,
Do it for me. Please lads. Believe me.. Lifes to short.
Life's Precious ,, no time to waste on all this tom tit. Live for your children and take care of them.
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| Banned for your views on 20:58 - Feb 9 with 2235 views | Northernr |
| Banned for your views on 20:44 - Feb 9 by Discodroids |
lads, lads . lads.. in the words of Cameo, we all know who we are.
bite down on your gumsheild and move on. Clive don't need this agg. He's gelded jim the hip, lets cross the rubicon and move on,
Do it for me. Please lads. Believe me.. Lifes to short.
Life's Precious ,, no time to waste on all this tom tit. Live for your children and take care of them.
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I mean it's a pretty good example of why I tend not to want or like these threads.
The original premise is, I think, a very interesting one.
It's something I've long worried about, particularly in the times of Paladini and Britatore - QPR turning round and saying I ain't coming in because of something I've written on LFW.
There are some really interesting points early in the thread which had me thinking. If we could just discuss it civilly, as QPR fans, without dragging it into left v right, and deliberately trying to provoke and wind each other up, there's a place for this stuff. And, hey, election year in UK and US, we're not going to be able to avoid political threads like in 2024.
But throw in Toby Young, who's divisive, and the trans issue, which some seem weirdly interested in, and it was always going to go the way it has, which is why in the end I tend to just delete this stuff. We're now into a dozen pages of round and round and round with everybody entrenching their position - like you say, we all know who we are - names we only ever see when there's one of these culture war bolox threads to go at, and WUMs very successfully baiting the easily baited.
The original premise of the thread is an interesting one, I'd encourage everybody to stick to that and keep it on topic and civil.
If you had somebody on Twitter frequently posting horrible, racist abuse of our black players, using all the unrepeatable terms you can think of, I suspect most wouldn't have a problem with that guy having his season ticket taken away.
If somebody said 'I'm not really sure this Rainbow Laces thing will ever accomplish anything', and got banned for that, I suspect most would think that completely OTT and wrong.
So where is the line in the middle? |  | | |
| Banned for your views on 21:14 - Feb 9 with 2186 views | Discodroids |
| Banned for your views on 20:58 - Feb 9 by Northernr |
I mean it's a pretty good example of why I tend not to want or like these threads.
The original premise is, I think, a very interesting one.
It's something I've long worried about, particularly in the times of Paladini and Britatore - QPR turning round and saying I ain't coming in because of something I've written on LFW.
There are some really interesting points early in the thread which had me thinking. If we could just discuss it civilly, as QPR fans, without dragging it into left v right, and deliberately trying to provoke and wind each other up, there's a place for this stuff. And, hey, election year in UK and US, we're not going to be able to avoid political threads like in 2024.
But throw in Toby Young, who's divisive, and the trans issue, which some seem weirdly interested in, and it was always going to go the way it has, which is why in the end I tend to just delete this stuff. We're now into a dozen pages of round and round and round with everybody entrenching their position - like you say, we all know who we are - names we only ever see when there's one of these culture war bolox threads to go at, and WUMs very successfully baiting the easily baited.
The original premise of the thread is an interesting one, I'd encourage everybody to stick to that and keep it on topic and civil.
If you had somebody on Twitter frequently posting horrible, racist abuse of our black players, using all the unrepeatable terms you can think of, I suspect most wouldn't have a problem with that guy having his season ticket taken away.
If somebody said 'I'm not really sure this Rainbow Laces thing will ever accomplish anything', and got banned for that, I suspect most would think that completely OTT and wrong.
So where is the line in the middle? |
I can't begin to imagine what it must be like to be the 5th dan shaolin monk adjudicating a huge forum like this. Fu ck that for a game of Soldiers. I Love this place.This place of QPR. I love this club more than my next breath. I love the bone marrow of this underdog W12 blue and white hoop drug that i've been addicted to since i was 11 years old. I love QPR. I'm bored into the firmament with politics on here.
we all know who we are, Just leave it for christs sake. Clive deserves a purple heart for walking the tightrope.
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| Banned for your views on 22:07 - Feb 9 with 2097 views | MrSheen |
| Banned for your views on 21:14 - Feb 9 by Discodroids |
I can't begin to imagine what it must be like to be the 5th dan shaolin monk adjudicating a huge forum like this. Fu ck that for a game of Soldiers. I Love this place.This place of QPR. I love this club more than my next breath. I love the bone marrow of this underdog W12 blue and white hoop drug that i've been addicted to since i was 11 years old. I love QPR. I'm bored into the firmament with politics on here.
we all know who we are, Just leave it for christs sake. Clive deserves a purple heart for walking the tightrope.
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Iāve stayed out of this one so far. Regular readers will have realised my political views are usually right of centre. Iām a bit of a free speech absolutist and have an additional aversion to āhate speechā laws because they apply to only a part of the population (which jars with my idea of common citizenship and creates an incentive to fight over the bounds of protection) and move the apprehension of illegality from the wider community to the perception of an individual, in my understanding at least.
That said, so what? People donāt come to a football board to have their minds changed on politics. Whatās more, though I have a good idea about who is likely to agree with me and who wonāt, it doesnāt mean I donāt enjoy reading the contributions of the other side on the other 95% of stuff thatās on here - even the political stuff. Thereās too much demonisation of disagreement as proof of moral failing, but also too much fear of being outcast as a dissenter.
I see this as a family gathering, bound by our irrational but unbreakable ties to a ludicrous ramshackle football club. Iām well used to being the cranky loon in my family so I feel at home here. Vent away if you must, but no need to turn on our own. |  | | |
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| Banned for your views on 22:11 - Feb 9 with 2082 views | Discodroids |
| Banned for your views on 22:07 - Feb 9 by MrSheen |
Iāve stayed out of this one so far. Regular readers will have realised my political views are usually right of centre. Iām a bit of a free speech absolutist and have an additional aversion to āhate speechā laws because they apply to only a part of the population (which jars with my idea of common citizenship and creates an incentive to fight over the bounds of protection) and move the apprehension of illegality from the wider community to the perception of an individual, in my understanding at least.
That said, so what? People donāt come to a football board to have their minds changed on politics. Whatās more, though I have a good idea about who is likely to agree with me and who wonāt, it doesnāt mean I donāt enjoy reading the contributions of the other side on the other 95% of stuff thatās on here - even the political stuff. Thereās too much demonisation of disagreement as proof of moral failing, but also too much fear of being outcast as a dissenter.
I see this as a family gathering, bound by our irrational but unbreakable ties to a ludicrous ramshackle football club. Iām well used to being the cranky loon in my family so I feel at home here. Vent away if you must, but no need to turn on our own. |
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| Banned for your views on 22:35 - Feb 9 with 2041 views | Sharpy36 |
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| Banned for your views on 23:59 - Feb 9 with 1944 views | FredManRave |
| Banned for your views on 22:35 - Feb 9 by Sharpy36 |
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Typical, another left leaning post on LFW... |  |
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| Banned for your views on 00:41 - Feb 10 with 1902 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Far be it for me to tell you how to run your excellent site Clive, or make a suggestion that creates extra work for you, but until you put down some specific and unambiguous guidelines and then follow through with some Stalinist actions on those that donāt comply, then people will believe you arenāt really talking to them. |  | | |
| Banned for your views on 00:53 - Feb 10 with 1875 views | FredManRave |
| Banned for your views on 00:41 - Feb 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Far be it for me to tell you how to run your excellent site Clive, or make a suggestion that creates extra work for you, but until you put down some specific and unambiguous guidelines and then follow through with some Stalinist actions on those that donāt comply, then people will believe you arenāt really talking to them. |
"specific and unambiguous guidelines"
Seriously, Bazza?!
You still haven't grasped what is welcomed on this forum and what is not welcomed?!
LFW. Leave Fcuking WellaloneanyshitthatRangersfansdon't wanttoseeordiscussonwhatisafootballforum.Butyou'relackofselfawareness
(youknowwhoyouare)willmeanthatyoucontinuepostingcrapthatthevastmajority
donotwanttoreadordiscussonthebestfootballforumoutthere. [Post edited 10 Feb 0:56]
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| Banned for your views on 00:56 - Feb 10 with 1870 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Banned for your views on 00:53 - Feb 10 by FredManRave |
"specific and unambiguous guidelines"
Seriously, Bazza?!
You still haven't grasped what is welcomed on this forum and what is not welcomed?!
LFW. Leave Fcuking WellaloneanyshitthatRangersfansdon't wanttoseeordiscussonwhatisafootballforum.Butyou'relackofselfawareness
(youknowwhoyouare)willmeanthatyoucontinuepostingcrapthatthevastmajority
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Iām very aware Iām in scope. It applies to me too. | | | |
| Banned for your views on 01:48 - Feb 10 with 1826 views | PunteR |
| Banned for your views on 00:41 - Feb 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Far be it for me to tell you how to run your excellent site Clive, or make a suggestion that creates extra work for you, but until you put down some specific and unambiguous guidelines and then follow through with some Stalinist actions on those that donāt comply, then people will believe you arenāt really talking to them. |
The rules are simple. Most comply.
The site is fine as it is. |  |
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| Banned for your views on 09:18 - Feb 10 with 1669 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Banned for your views on 01:48 - Feb 10 by PunteR |
The rules are simple. Most comply.
The site is fine as it is. |
It really isnāt a lot of the time.
This forum is horrible at times, especially after a defeat or if you say something positive or against the grain (political or QPR related) and frankly, some of the people who think they arenāt part of the problem really are.
It can be subtle, like constantly getting on a posterās case in a snarky way if they defend Ferdinand or Ainsworth for example, or it can be clear and obvious, like some of the rancid posts still in place on this forum which I wonāt draw attention to.
Youāll no doubt say āah! But look at all the political threads you start!ā but I havenāt done that in ages. Iām guilty of being baited into things but that is very different.
Just my view. | | | |
| Banned for your views on 10:16 - Feb 10 with 1580 views | DWQPR |
| Banned for your views on 16:52 - Feb 9 by SheffieldHoop |
"Stand up if you hate Chelsea"
We all preach a bit of hate from time to time down the football, mate. It's all part of the fun. |
(Thatās not hate. Thatās just reasonable human behaviour. | |
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| Banned for your views on 10:36 - Feb 10 with 1549 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Banned for your views on 09:18 - Feb 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It really isnāt a lot of the time.
This forum is horrible at times, especially after a defeat or if you say something positive or against the grain (political or QPR related) and frankly, some of the people who think they arenāt part of the problem really are.
It can be subtle, like constantly getting on a posterās case in a snarky way if they defend Ferdinand or Ainsworth for example, or it can be clear and obvious, like some of the rancid posts still in place on this forum which I wonāt draw attention to.
Youāll no doubt say āah! But look at all the political threads you start!ā but I havenāt done that in ages. Iām guilty of being baited into things but that is very different.
Just my view. |
Apart from this one, I've largely avoided political threads. I only got involved because I have direct experience of how the FSU and its many fronts operate. I should have know better and I feel bad for Clive. But you're right, it's easy to get drawn in, there are some master baiters on here. | | | |
| Banned for your views on 10:40 - Feb 10 with 1542 views | Northernr |
| Banned for your views on 09:18 - Feb 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It really isnāt a lot of the time.
This forum is horrible at times, especially after a defeat or if you say something positive or against the grain (political or QPR related) and frankly, some of the people who think they arenāt part of the problem really are.
It can be subtle, like constantly getting on a posterās case in a snarky way if they defend Ferdinand or Ainsworth for example, or it can be clear and obvious, like some of the rancid posts still in place on this forum which I wonāt draw attention to.
Youāll no doubt say āah! But look at all the political threads you start!ā but I havenāt done that in ages. Iām guilty of being baited into things but that is very different.
Just my view. |
Well Iām not going to pretend Iām perfect or donāt make mistakes in judgement sometimes, or just plain miss things, but given message boards (in general and QPR in particular) are dead or dying and yet this one is thriving numbers and poster wise after me running it for 20 years tells me I get more right than wrong. I think a load of bans, post deletion and moderation and rules would damage the board without achieving what you think or hope it would. | | | |
| Banned for your views on 10:50 - Feb 10 with 1525 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Banned for your views on 10:40 - Feb 10 by Northernr |
Well Iām not going to pretend Iām perfect or donāt make mistakes in judgement sometimes, or just plain miss things, but given message boards (in general and QPR in particular) are dead or dying and yet this one is thriving numbers and poster wise after me running it for 20 years tells me I get more right than wrong. I think a load of bans, post deletion and moderation and rules would damage the board without achieving what you think or hope it would. |
It wasnāt a comment about the success of the forum, which is self evident.
I was challenged for suggesting some universal guidelines and gave my opinion. | | | |
| Banned for your views on 10:53 - Feb 10 with 3306 views | Jigsore |
If this is a serious issue there will be better torchbearers than Toby Young . FSU is not a serious organisation, its priorities only ever skew one way. If they can't invent one they'll latch onto what dividing topipc they can ala this board's mate Monsieur Barton. You simply don't have to get stuck playing devils advocate for dodgy organisations like that.
I mean 'non-woke'  Bless their socks they're scared of their own shadows |  |
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| Banned for your views on 10:57 - Feb 10 with 3294 views | dmm |
| Banned for your views on 10:40 - Feb 10 by Northernr |
Well Iām not going to pretend Iām perfect or donāt make mistakes in judgement sometimes, or just plain miss things, but given message boards (in general and QPR in particular) are dead or dying and yet this one is thriving numbers and poster wise after me running it for 20 years tells me I get more right than wrong. I think a load of bans, post deletion and moderation and rules would damage the board without achieving what you think or hope it would. |
You do a remarkable job of keeping LfW going. Not only the MB but all the other things you do. I broadly agree with you about not over moderating the MB etc. but of course, it all depends on where you draw the line of what is and is not acceptable.
As others have pointed out, I feel some get away with dog whistle posts designed to enflame arguments. You've understandably called for restraint when it comes to posting political opinions and I'll continue to do my best to bite my lip at some of the right wing comments made on here. |  | | |
| Banned for your views on 11:59 - Feb 10 with 3132 views | PunteR |
| Banned for your views on 09:18 - Feb 10 by BazzaInTheLoft |
It really isnāt a lot of the time.
This forum is horrible at times, especially after a defeat or if you say something positive or against the grain (political or QPR related) and frankly, some of the people who think they arenāt part of the problem really are.
It can be subtle, like constantly getting on a posterās case in a snarky way if they defend Ferdinand or Ainsworth for example, or it can be clear and obvious, like some of the rancid posts still in place on this forum which I wonāt draw attention to.
Youāll no doubt say āah! But look at all the political threads you start!ā but I havenāt done that in ages. Iām guilty of being baited into things but that is very different.
Just my view. |
Mate, you was one of the main antagonist that started this left/right thing on here. You went out of your way to draw people out into that debate for your own political agenda. There's still a residue from that time.
Yes you don't do that sort of thing now. Fair play.
Its a fine line when it comes to debating the right and wrongs of QPR or life in general and things will always spill over into fisticuffs once it starts getting personal, but id rather see online keyboard brawls on here than the type of censorship i see on other social media platforms. We're all adults.
And its not that bad on here. Jim the Hip the obvious candidate for the Bazza of the year award though.
I dont see any other way around it. Too many rules just ruins things. Clive will just spend his time banning and deleting posts. Nobody wants that.
I think what happens, you get threads like this one where it gets salty, spills over a bit, then we all discuss we all need to chill. And we do. Until the next time.. ;) [Post edited 10 Feb 12:01]
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| Banned for your views on 12:18 - Feb 10 with 3073 views | johncharles |
Blue Cards ! Thatās what we need. Blue card for anyone who doesnāt agree with me ( you know who are) |  |
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| Banned for your views on 12:21 - Feb 10 with 3067 views | loftupper |
| Banned for your views on 16:45 - Feb 9 by SheffieldHoop |
The thread is about a female Newcastle fan being banned from going to Newcastle games because she tweeted about trans ideology. Nothing to do with Natwest, Coutts, or Farage. It's pure whataboutery.
Dame Alison leaked confidential information about Farage's banking. Why did she do that? Because Farage is seen as fair game for that kind of thing by this kind of person. Why is he seen as fair game? Because he holds views she finds intolerable. In an internal dossier, Coutts wrote that he "is at best seen as xenophobic and pandering to racists" and considered a "disingenuous grifter" - You use all the Guardian links you want to try and pretend it didn't happen mate, but we all watched it in real-time. |
Didnāt the inquiry find that the commercial decision to close the accounts were valid! It was handled poorly I think on both sides beyond that, itās an interesting situation though | | | |
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