| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI 07:00 - Nov 6 with 15365 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
Players we got excited about that never really got going. 343 and generationally biased:
Lumley
Curtis
Mancienne
Shimmin
Ledesma
Parejo
Parrett
Ward
German
Armstrong
Hitchcock
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 15:04 - Nov 6 with 2528 views | DannyPaddox |
Steve Burke, decent start, exciting winger, then became a perpetual sub, then farmed out on loan to various lower league clubs. Ended up at the mighty Shepshed Charterhouse (now Dynamo). Always surprises me how long he was at the Rs. 7 seasons for his 67 games according to wiki. I suppose he was the 70s/80s version of Shodipo.
He is however one of only 14 QPR players to play for the Rs in an FA Cup Final. Albeit for 6 minutes. |  | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 15:15 - Nov 6 with 2506 views | Esox_Lucius |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 11:17 - Nov 6 by lightwaterhoop |
Gary Cooper in the 1980's.Played for the England youth side and had tons of ability but never given a chance for us.Ended up at Birmingham City i think. |
Paul Barron was the reason for him being dumped by the club and blackballed by other clubs when he left, according to Clive Walker. |  |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 16:16 - Nov 6 with 2411 views | CamberleyR |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 15:04 - Nov 6 by DannyPaddox |
Steve Burke, decent start, exciting winger, then became a perpetual sub, then farmed out on loan to various lower league clubs. Ended up at the mighty Shepshed Charterhouse (now Dynamo). Always surprises me how long he was at the Rs. 7 seasons for his 67 games according to wiki. I suppose he was the 70s/80s version of Shodipo.
He is however one of only 14 QPR players to play for the Rs in an FA Cup Final. Albeit for 6 minutes. |
Bizarrely he also come on as sub (natch) to don the gloves and green jersey that season in the 'Battle of Millmoor' after Hucker suffered near GBH at the hands of Ronnie Moore and had to be stretchered off when we were down to ten men.
It was the week before the semi-final and thankfully Hucker was okay. [Post edited 6 Nov 2023 16:16]
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 16:29 - Nov 6 with 2366 views | supahoopsa |
Leroy Griffiths
After THAT goal against Chelsh1t in a pre season friendly
Edit: Actually, did he get a hattrick in that game or is my memory playing games with me? [Post edited 6 Nov 2023 16:43]
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 17:15 - Nov 6 with 2282 views | JPC |
I was convinced Mike Fillery would be a world beater for us. Average at best |  | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 17:32 - Nov 6 with 2228 views | MrSheen |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 15:15 - Nov 6 by Esox_Lucius |
Paul Barron was the reason for him being dumped by the club and blackballed by other clubs when he left, according to Clive Walker. |
Barron thought he was up to gno good in the dressing room. |  | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 17:35 - Nov 6 with 2223 views | lightwaterhoop |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 15:04 - Nov 6 by DannyPaddox |
Steve Burke, decent start, exciting winger, then became a perpetual sub, then farmed out on loan to various lower league clubs. Ended up at the mighty Shepshed Charterhouse (now Dynamo). Always surprises me how long he was at the Rs. 7 seasons for his 67 games according to wiki. I suppose he was the 70s/80s version of Shodipo.
He is however one of only 14 QPR players to play for the Rs in an FA Cup Final. Albeit for 6 minutes. |
Also scored a great goal for us in Europe at Highbury. | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 17:48 - Nov 6 with 2206 views | rbee |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 15:04 - Nov 6 by DannyPaddox |
Steve Burke, decent start, exciting winger, then became a perpetual sub, then farmed out on loan to various lower league clubs. Ended up at the mighty Shepshed Charterhouse (now Dynamo). Always surprises me how long he was at the Rs. 7 seasons for his 67 games according to wiki. I suppose he was the 70s/80s version of Shodipo.
He is however one of only 14 QPR players to play for the Rs in an FA Cup Final. Albeit for 6 minutes. |
Had the pace but too many crosses ended up in The Loft.
I had my first season ticket in 1980 in the SAR and it was in the same section as the WAGS and Steve Burke's girlfriends were stunning. I also sat next to a former Miss World a couple of times and when I met her again thirty years later she didn't remember me.
DJ Campbell was a disappointing striker especially as he was also a fan. |  | | |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 18:38 - Nov 6 with 2118 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Maurice Doyle. Signed from Crewe in 89, 6 appearances in 6 seasons, not a bad living!
Went to Milwall I think. | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:10 - Nov 6 with 2087 views | numptydumpty |
The ultimate messiah came into being live on ITV New Years Day 1992 - Dennis Bailey Hallelujah Hallelujah = hat trick away to Man Utd !!
Hardly contributed after what could have been a break through moment !!!!! |  |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:11 - Nov 6 with 2082 views | mart_Goblin |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 11:20 - Nov 6 by CiderwithRsie |
I didn't know that about Channing.
At the time I thought he was our best full-back and was always disappointed he didn't nail down a place.
There was a lot of players who came out of our youth set-up towards the end of the Gerry Francis/Ray Wilkins era, including Matt Brazier, Quashie, Dichio, and (heresy alert!) Kevin Gallen who had some decent (or more than decent) runs with us but never quite fulfilled their potential IMO.
Maybe it was the difference between us surviving the sale of Ferdinand and Wilson (and age catching up with Wilkins, Bardsley, Macca, Barker etc) and going down. I don't know if a better manager than Wilkins (let alone Houston) might have brought them along, or if better use of the Ferdinand money might have given us the players they needed to develop (like Wilkins did with Ferdinand.) Or maybe they just weren't quite as consistently good as they needed to be.
Good thread subject, by the way. |
I didn’t know that about JC either and I was in that team you went on to name.
A lot of those players would have had much more impact and success if they were fed in to the first team gradually like Gallen and Dichio. But because of sales, lack of form, relegation etc etc a lot of them were thrown in at once and as a group they found it very hard.
As regards to Channing, he was a good player, but he really knew it.
Only my opinion but when I came into the dressing room full time in June 1991, you notice that some people are polite, some people are loud, some people will talk to you as a young player and some were as flash as can be . JC unfortunately fell into the latter category. It could be that I saw a side of him that wasn’t really him. People are different in that environment.
It has to be said that I love the guy for what he did for us then snd just us much now, but our club ambassador was very very flash at times back then . Didn’t show much of a humble side in the dressing room. And that’s what I meant. In the dressing room environment people can be different . |  | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:22 - Nov 6 with 2010 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:11 - Nov 6 by mart_Goblin |
I didn’t know that about JC either and I was in that team you went on to name.
A lot of those players would have had much more impact and success if they were fed in to the first team gradually like Gallen and Dichio. But because of sales, lack of form, relegation etc etc a lot of them were thrown in at once and as a group they found it very hard.
As regards to Channing, he was a good player, but he really knew it.
Only my opinion but when I came into the dressing room full time in June 1991, you notice that some people are polite, some people are loud, some people will talk to you as a young player and some were as flash as can be . JC unfortunately fell into the latter category. It could be that I saw a side of him that wasn’t really him. People are different in that environment.
It has to be said that I love the guy for what he did for us then snd just us much now, but our club ambassador was very very flash at times back then . Didn’t show much of a humble side in the dressing room. And that’s what I meant. In the dressing room environment people can be different . |
"A lot of those players would have had much more impact and success if they were fed in to the first team gradually like Gallen and Dichio. But because of sales, lack of form, relegation etc etc a lot of them were thrown in at once and as a group they found it very hard."
Agreed.
I followed that team closely and many of them went on to have fine careers, albeit down the divisions in some cases, and it was amazing how many of that team became professionals, but there were some really polished players there who had they come into a more setlled first-team environment might have had even better careers, and at Rangers too. |  |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:43 - Nov 6 with 1945 views | connell10 |
Armstrong ??? Have a word mate!! |  |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:58 - Nov 6 with 1902 views | w7r |
Mark Perry
Robert Herrera [Post edited 6 Nov 2023 19:59]
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:58 - Nov 6 with 1904 views | mart_Goblin |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:22 - Nov 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
"A lot of those players would have had much more impact and success if they were fed in to the first team gradually like Gallen and Dichio. But because of sales, lack of form, relegation etc etc a lot of them were thrown in at once and as a group they found it very hard."
Agreed.
I followed that team closely and many of them went on to have fine careers, albeit down the divisions in some cases, and it was amazing how many of that team became professionals, but there were some really polished players there who had they come into a more setlled first-team environment might have had even better careers, and at Rangers too. |
So many of that team did become professionals.
Only a few didn’t . I just happened to be one of them 😂😂
The weird one was Marvin Bryan. Big physical very pacey winger who went on to be a centre back for Rotherham . Then a articulated lorry driver | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 20:04 - Nov 6 with 1874 views | CiderwithRsie |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:11 - Nov 6 by mart_Goblin |
I didn’t know that about JC either and I was in that team you went on to name.
A lot of those players would have had much more impact and success if they were fed in to the first team gradually like Gallen and Dichio. But because of sales, lack of form, relegation etc etc a lot of them were thrown in at once and as a group they found it very hard.
As regards to Channing, he was a good player, but he really knew it.
Only my opinion but when I came into the dressing room full time in June 1991, you notice that some people are polite, some people are loud, some people will talk to you as a young player and some were as flash as can be . JC unfortunately fell into the latter category. It could be that I saw a side of him that wasn’t really him. People are different in that environment.
It has to be said that I love the guy for what he did for us then snd just us much now, but our club ambassador was very very flash at times back then . Didn’t show much of a humble side in the dressing room. And that’s what I meant. In the dressing room environment people can be different . |
Very interesting, thanks.
I'm sure you're right about the group being thrown in at once, it felt like that watching it - all of them looked at least decent individually. I don't know which one of them was you, but I always felt there was a lot of talent there. Maybe the last time that I thought of us having a really strong youth set-up. (Long rant about Alex Ferguson, match finishing after Final Score etc deleted.)
Tommy Docherty had done something similar with Clive Allen, Goddard etc in 1979 but of course he did it in the 2nd Division, and we still (just) missed out on promotion. | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 20:04 - Nov 6 with 1876 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 19:58 - Nov 6 by mart_Goblin |
So many of that team did become professionals.
Only a few didn’t . I just happened to be one of them 😂😂
The weird one was Marvin Bryan. Big physical very pacey winger who went on to be a centre back for Rotherham . Then a articulated lorry driver |
Marvin was a very dangerous player. I didn't know he ended up centre-back. Couldn't have seen that coming.
Sorry you didn't get a pro contract, but thanks for your part in a hugely enjoyable few years. I list the youth team of that era as one of my very favourite Rangers teams and following you all at home and away remains a real highlight and watching you all develop and progress nudged me towards youth coaching in my later years. | |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 20:12 - Nov 6 with 1855 views | HamptonR |
Tony Scully | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 21:41 - Nov 6 with 1766 views | MrSheen |
Pat Kanyuka looked fantastic but ruined by injury very young. Chris Plummer also unlucky. | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 22:36 - Nov 6 with 1693 views | QPRSteve |
Don Rogers, Rachid Harkouk
BTW, When Gary Cooper was on our books we also had Doug McClure  | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 09:30 - Nov 7 with 1506 views | Esox_Lucius |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 17:32 - Nov 6 by MrSheen |
Barron thought he was up to gno good in the dressing room. |
We should meet up before a game and I will tell you the story that Clive Walker told me. I've had nothing but disdain for Barron since I heard it. Another story about him from Gav Maguire too if you have the time LOL. | |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 09:40 - Nov 7 with 1477 views | Metallica_Hoop |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 21:41 - Nov 6 by MrSheen |
Pat Kanyuka looked fantastic but ruined by injury very young. Chris Plummer also unlucky. |
I forgot about him, apparently he founded and owns f Waltham Cross Football Club according to wiki.
While looking it up I came across another blast from the past... Danny Culip who I forgot played for us.
I seem to remember he was decent or is my memory a bit hazy? |  |
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| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 10:31 - Nov 7 with 1437 views | mart_Goblin |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 20:04 - Nov 6 by BrianMcCarthy |
Marvin was a very dangerous player. I didn't know he ended up centre-back. Couldn't have seen that coming.
Sorry you didn't get a pro contract, but thanks for your part in a hugely enjoyable few years. I list the youth team of that era as one of my very favourite Rangers teams and following you all at home and away remains a real highlight and watching you all develop and progress nudged me towards youth coaching in my later years. |
Thanks Brian. That actually means a lot . I didn’t really enjoy my 2 years apprenticeship for many reasons but I am immensely proud of it . At the time it was all kind’ve normal but looking back it was incredible to have been inside that incredible dressing room at the time with so many club legends like Ray and Les and Macca etc.
In contrast to nearly all apprentices who get released I remember being relieved . I played a couple of years semi pro after a trial with Wycombe and Martin O’Neil didn’t come of anything and then I picked up a guitar and that was me on a different path.
Anyway, yes I couldn’t believe when I saw Marv was playing as a centre half . Just didn’t seem right as he was such dangerous winger . | | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 10:51 - Nov 7 with 1405 views | WokingR |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 22:36 - Nov 6 by QPRSteve |
Don Rogers, Rachid Harkouk
BTW, When Gary Cooper was on our books we also had Doug McClure |
Troy's brother ? |  | | |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 11:04 - Nov 7 with 1387 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| He’s Not The Messiah He’s A Very Naughty Boy XI on 21:41 - Nov 6 by MrSheen |
Pat Kanyuka looked fantastic but ruined by injury very young. Chris Plummer also unlucky. |
I lived in Myannar for a couple of years and discovered that Kanyuka was playing for a team (Shan United) at the same time.
I wrote to his club (in Burmese), asking to be put in touch with him, as I was going to write an article for Dave on AKUTRS. Alas, I didn't get a reply, and as LFW constitutes my social media noise, I didn't chase up on his Twitter or Insta account.
I saw him play for us up at Wigan, and he looked promising. But another who just didn't make it, and found his way to Myanmar via stints in the lower leagues, Romania, Ireland and Thailand. |  |
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