| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? 12:15 - Dec 11 with 5774 views | WxmJax |
Just before the third goal he was in possession of the ball near the halfway line and was screaming at Montero, "GO! GO!" as he wanted to play the ball down the line for him to run on to in the open space behind the defence.
Montero just stood there.
We must have the only two wingers in the league who never think of running in to these wide open spaces so why isn't someone sorting it out on the training pitch ?
Ball over the top down the wings, shoot or cross in to the box for Llorente, Sigy, Baston, Fer, other winger to take advantage of. Sounds simple enough.
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| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 18:11 - Dec 11 with 1230 views | grabsplatter |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 18:08 - Dec 11 by Dewi1jack |
Why not when nearly everyone else was doing the same as Jeff? |
We were crap & got soundly stuffed but nobody else showed the complete lack of effort & application as montero |  | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 18:29 - Dec 11 with 1214 views | jackrabbit |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 17:35 - Dec 11 by karnataka |
This has been going on for a couple of seasons. I remember away at Villa I was close to the touchline, must have be 14-15 season, Taylor shouting at Montero to make a run and when he didn't, Taylor shouted at Monk something like "Boss, have a fcking word with him, will ya". Well, whatever words Monk, Guidolin or Bradley have had with him, has made no difference whatsoever in the 2 years since. |
Montero plays to about 30% of his potential. His run and clip onto Llorente's head yesterday were top-drawer - classic wing play. But he can't expect to pick the ball up from a standing start and consistently beat a defence on his own. He has got to build some variety into his game and that means giving his full back some outlet for a pass over the top or inside his opposing fullback, and that means TAKING THE BALL ON THE MOVE occasionally. Yes I know that would be a shock to his system but it could be introduced gently in training so he could get used to it. At the moment it's like owning a Ferrari and only using it on the school run.
I sit in the East Stand, front tier, level with the goal and I can assure you that Taylor, - who was excellent yesterday - is not the only one to be screaming at Montero to 'F******** RUN INTO SPACE BEHIND THE FULLBACK MUN!". Taylor must be tearing his hair out at times. I know I am. If the coaches can't see it, I'll offer them my seat for the next home game. |  | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 19:23 - Dec 11 with 1171 views | DafyddHuw |
OP - I've seen Taylor do yhis loads of times to Montero and Montero just stands there.
You'ds thought he'd have learned by now. Montero's thick as feckin dogshit. |  | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 19:29 - Dec 11 with 1166 views | LeonWasGod |
I lost count of the number of times in the first half that, with Sunderland holding a high line, Routs laid the ball back to Rangel and could have spun and got in behind. But he just stood there. Does my nut in. How hard is a give and go ffs?! Same as when Siggy and Routs broke on the break down the right and Routs just stood next to him. Er, he's looking for movement dumbo! 
Makes my blood boil it does.
I've been reluctant to join the Routs criticism, but yesterday showed we massively miss Ayew on that side and need a better option.
Sorry, not Monterro related, but similar issue with wingers not doing the bleeding obvious. |  | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 21:50 - Dec 11 with 1081 views | swan_si |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 19:29 - Dec 11 by LeonWasGod |
I lost count of the number of times in the first half that, with Sunderland holding a high line, Routs laid the ball back to Rangel and could have spun and got in behind. But he just stood there. Does my nut in. How hard is a give and go ffs?! Same as when Siggy and Routs broke on the break down the right and Routs just stood next to him. Er, he's looking for movement dumbo!
Makes my blood boil it does.
I've been reluctant to join the Routs criticism, but yesterday showed we massively miss Ayew on that side and need a better option.
Sorry, not Monterro related, but similar issue with wingers not doing the bleeding obvious. |
just watched the game again (extended highlights) recorded off sky last night, you say you lost count of the number of times Routs laid the ball back and didn't spin and go in behind, if you watch the game again, you'll see Routs do just that with Siggy, only for Siggy to put the ball out of play, i'm not having a go at Siggy, but, you can't pick and chose one passage of play (or player) and criticise because it didn't come off, I'm sure throughout the game there has been moments when we all see an obvious pass that a player either doesn't see or chooses a different option, I think Routledge gets a bit to much unwarranted criticism, and maybe his mistakes are remembered more than the good things he does, like winning the penalty.
opinions hey.
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| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 21:57 - Dec 11 with 1076 views | LeonWasGod |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 21:19 - Dec 11 by jasper_T |
Ayew never played that well for us on the right wing. [Post edited 11 Dec 2016 21:19]
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Agreed he was no winger. I was one of his biggest critics as I didn't think he fit us and was too selfish. But he was a class act nonetheless; a big help for Siggy. I'd much rather have him in the side, even cutting in and playing an inside forward role rather than winger, than the Routs of yesterday. Thought Routs was a complete passenger other than the short safe passes. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm losing patience with him (a lot long after others to be fair) | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 22:06 - Dec 11 with 1061 views | vetchonian |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 21:57 - Dec 11 by LeonWasGod |
Agreed he was no winger. I was one of his biggest critics as I didn't think he fit us and was too selfish. But he was a class act nonetheless; a big help for Siggy. I'd much rather have him in the side, even cutting in and playing an inside forward role rather than winger, than the Routs of yesterday. Thought Routs was a complete passenger other than the short safe passes. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm losing patience with him (a lot long after others to be fair) |
Or put in a great cross that Llorente ducked from |  |
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| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 22:10 - Dec 11 with 1053 views | Dr_Winston |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 21:19 - Dec 11 by jasper_T |
Ayew never played that well for us on the right wing. [Post edited 11 Dec 2016 21:19]
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Ayew contributed a shit sight more from the right wing than Routledge has this season. |  |
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| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 01:12 - Dec 12 with 973 views | jasper_T |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 21:57 - Dec 11 by LeonWasGod |
Agreed he was no winger. I was one of his biggest critics as I didn't think he fit us and was too selfish. But he was a class act nonetheless; a big help for Siggy. I'd much rather have him in the side, even cutting in and playing an inside forward role rather than winger, than the Routs of yesterday. Thought Routs was a complete passenger other than the short safe passes. Maybe I'm being harsh, but I'm losing patience with him (a lot long after others to be fair) |
I can't think of a game off the top of my head where he helped Gylfi at all.
Gylfi was getting slated constantly on here the first half of last season when Ayew was cutting inside all the time, getting important goals in games we otherwise played like sh!t.
During the revival after we flogged Jonjo and Gylfi became himself again, Ayew went on a long lean spell where he didn't contribute much. Shifted to centre forward and even then his best game was West Ham.
In a big picture sense, yeah, his goals helped Gylfi, but they didn't make great teammates.
The last right winger Gylfi got results out of was Dyer. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 09:34 - Dec 12 with 897 views | jasonbromham |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 16:11 - Dec 11 by icecoldjack |
Well yes.
Back on point . If we look at what the op was referencing , taylor wanted jeff to spin his man and hit the space behind,it was the right ball to play too. Jeff got it wrong not taylor .
So far jeff and barrow seem hot for 20/30 minutes only . Taylor isn't an attacking full back,never has been but he is the best we have at that position and at least has experience, knowing when to play it short and when to hit it long.
I'm guessing that jeff can't speak a word of English, either that or he's a bit thick. Wonderful player at times though. |
IMO Kingsley is already a much better left back. Why he got dropped I have no idea. Although Taylor did have his first good game in about 40 games. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 09:55 - Dec 12 with 884 views | LeonWasGod |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 01:12 - Dec 12 by jasper_T |
I can't think of a game off the top of my head where he helped Gylfi at all.
Gylfi was getting slated constantly on here the first half of last season when Ayew was cutting inside all the time, getting important goals in games we otherwise played like sh!t.
During the revival after we flogged Jonjo and Gylfi became himself again, Ayew went on a long lean spell where he didn't contribute much. Shifted to centre forward and even then his best game was West Ham.
In a big picture sense, yeah, his goals helped Gylfi, but they didn't make great teammates.
The last right winger Gylfi got results out of was Dyer. |
I agree with what your saying about team play - that was my criticism of Ayew last year, he never looked like he was a natural fit.
But by "helping Siggy", I was talking specifically in terms of sharing the burden, not his wing play.This year Siggy is our main man and pretty much all our hopes lie on him to make something happen, whereas last season we had another quality player up front that defenders had to worry about. And it didn't matter if Siggy had a quiet spell as much as it does now.
Funnily enough, I was wondering whether Dyer wouldn't have been a bettter option on Sat. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 10:01 - Dec 12 with 880 views | LeonWasGod |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 22:06 - Dec 11 by vetchonian |
Or put in a great cross that Llorente ducked from |
Weird that wasn't it? Seeing it back on MOTD it looked like he'd thought he'd heard a shout to leave it. Yes, that was a decent cross in. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 10:06 - Dec 12 with 876 views | LeonWasGod |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 18:29 - Dec 11 by jackrabbit |
Montero plays to about 30% of his potential. His run and clip onto Llorente's head yesterday were top-drawer - classic wing play. But he can't expect to pick the ball up from a standing start and consistently beat a defence on his own. He has got to build some variety into his game and that means giving his full back some outlet for a pass over the top or inside his opposing fullback, and that means TAKING THE BALL ON THE MOVE occasionally. Yes I know that would be a shock to his system but it could be introduced gently in training so he could get used to it. At the moment it's like owning a Ferrari and only using it on the school run.
I sit in the East Stand, front tier, level with the goal and I can assure you that Taylor, - who was excellent yesterday - is not the only one to be screaming at Montero to 'F******** RUN INTO SPACE BEHIND THE FULLBACK MUN!". Taylor must be tearing his hair out at times. I know I am. If the coaches can't see it, I'll offer them my seat for the next home game. |
Always has been a one trick pony. Hell of a trick mind, but just think what a player he could be if he mixed it up more. But then he probably wouldn't be playing for us. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 10:16 - Dec 12 with 865 views | Highjack |
Yes if he had a better attitude and more tactical awareness he'd be up there with the very best in the world. Talent wise he's the best winger in the league bar none. |  |
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| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 10:52 - Dec 12 with 784 views | midswan |
Same old story, all the talent but not much football intelligence which is almost certainly why he has never really been an automatic starter for us whichever manager we've had !
Probably why a 'bigger' club has never really come in for him in his career. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 11:14 - Dec 12 with 770 views | jasper_T |
Awareness and intelligence/instinct/footballing brain are talents, too. There are far more talented wingers than our Jeff in this league. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 13:27 - Dec 12 with 713 views | 34dfgdf54 |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 11:14 - Dec 12 by jasper_T |
Awareness and intelligence/instinct/footballing brain are talents, too. There are far more talented wingers than our Jeff in this league. |
Not in our squad though, so play him. |  | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 23:31 - Dec 12 with 643 views | JackUlation |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 19:23 - Dec 11 by DafyddHuw |
OP - I've seen Taylor do yhis loads of times to Montero and Montero just stands there.
You'ds thought he'd have learned by now. Montero's thick as feckin dogshit. |
He cant speak the lingo. | | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 12:08 - Dec 13 with 585 views | karnataka |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 23:31 - Dec 12 by JackUlation |
He cant speak the lingo. |
Maybe Taylor should shout 'Vamos! Vamos!' instead of 'Go! Go!' |  | | |
| Anyone hear Taylor yesterday ? on 09:39 - Dec 14 with 505 views | isaacasampson |
Montero is great as a sub but never cuts it for the full-game... In my opinion its as much to do with the defender working him out as tiredness. I think because he not such a high profile player teams still don't know how to deal with him. If we can get a good starting left winger (preferably a goal scoring one) with Barrow on the right and Siggy behind Llorente I think we'll scrape through this season. Just need a good quality CM/CDM and a whole defence :):):) | | | |
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