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Remain With or Leave the EU on 09:46 - Jun 21 by johnlangy
Very slightly off topic . Nigel Farage's comments re the Remain side using the tragic death of Jo Cox to boost their arguments show what a disgustingly vile human being he is. If anyone was using the situation it was him.
Whatever the outcome I hope that as of Friday he crawls back into the sewer he came from and is never seen again.
Didn't see Corbyn earlier today then I take it?
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 16:10 - Jun 21 with 1827 views
A main motivator for people who want to remain, is to prevent the uncertainty over jobs, the nhs, etc which is all fair enough
Well guess what, as soon as a vote to remain is stamped through, it's expected within possibly days that the TTIP deal will be announced. They're holding off announcing it for now, because you know, they kind of don't want everyone to f**k their plans up and vote to leave.
If you haven't read up on TTIP (pronounced TEE-TIP) then do, it's alarming, to say the least.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 16:10 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass
A main motivator for people who want to remain, is to prevent the uncertainty over jobs, the nhs, etc which is all fair enough
Well guess what, as soon as a vote to remain is stamped through, it's expected within possibly days that the TTIP deal will be announced. They're holding off announcing it for now, because you know, they kind of don't want everyone to f**k their plans up and vote to leave.
If you haven't read up on TTIP (pronounced TEE-TIP) then do, it's alarming, to say the least.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 16:10 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass
A main motivator for people who want to remain, is to prevent the uncertainty over jobs, the nhs, etc which is all fair enough
Well guess what, as soon as a vote to remain is stamped through, it's expected within possibly days that the TTIP deal will be announced. They're holding off announcing it for now, because you know, they kind of don't want everyone to f**k their plans up and vote to leave.
If you haven't read up on TTIP (pronounced TEE-TIP) then do, it's alarming, to say the least.
This agreement WILL give unheralded power to transnational corporations, allowing them to sue governments at will
When you say that TTIP "will hurt the NHS", what do you mean exactly? Given that under TTIP we will have the option to exempt public services (i.e. health) from the agreement, I'm curious as to what exactly you are referring to.
Also, if you think TTIP is going to be announced within a few days of the referendum than you are deluded. Then again, it is the same poster who thought that it was "all too convenient" that Remain supporter Jo Cox MP was murdered in the run-up yo the referendum.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 17:19 - Jun 21 with 1770 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 10:06 - Jun 21 by Highjack
The remain side are using it to their advantage though. Stephen kinnock: "Remember Jo and what she stood for at the ballot box".
This whole referendum has been full of shameless opportunism on both sides, but you are only seeing what you want to see.
The trouble is though what were they supposed to say ? They were remembering her and what she stood for. Should they not have referred to her beliefs because they coincided with the Remain argument ?
When anyone dies family members and friends talk about the person and what their character was and what their beliefs were.
I AM a Remainer but I honestly think it should have been accepted by everyone as a terribly tragic coinciidence that this happened a few days before the vote.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:03 - Jun 21 with 1698 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 17:50 - Jun 21 by johnlangy
The trouble is though what were they supposed to say ? They were remembering her and what she stood for. Should they not have referred to her beliefs because they coincided with the Remain argument ?
When anyone dies family members and friends talk about the person and what their character was and what their beliefs were.
I AM a Remainer but I honestly think it should have been accepted by everyone as a terribly tragic coinciidence that this happened a few days before the vote.
A coincidence occurs when two events happen at the same time due to unrelated causes. If the anti-immigrant emotions deliberately stoked by VoteLeave contributed even slightly to the actions of her killer then her death and the VoteLeave campaign are not entirely coincidental. Of course, whether this is so is unknowable at present and may never be known with certainty either way. But is it unreasonable to suggest that, in general, anti-immigrant rhetoric, on the scale that we have witnessed in this campaign, makes such violence more likely?
I hope everyone who votes to exit The EU understands that you should not vote to exit as a protest against David Cameron et al. the problems of the NHS and other public services are not as a result of beloning to the EU, the problems lay with Conservative austerity decisions to cut public spending. If Britain leaves the EU the public spending problems will get worse as Britain suffers a huge recession (this is accepted by all sides). A recession will mean less money (taxes) to spend on Public services. Do not believe the delusional brexiters who say Britain could negotiate a new better deal with the EU. in the event of an exit vote the EU would do everything possible to prevent Britain negotiating a better deal to prevent other EU countries from following Britain. Britain needs to sell goods and services to pay it's way, why walk away from 500 million customers on our doorstep. Do not gamble with your's or your families future vote to remain.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:14 - Jun 21 with 1688 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:04 - Jun 21 by cockneyswan
I hope everyone who votes to exit The EU understands that you should not vote to exit as a protest against David Cameron et al. the problems of the NHS and other public services are not as a result of beloning to the EU, the problems lay with Conservative austerity decisions to cut public spending. If Britain leaves the EU the public spending problems will get worse as Britain suffers a huge recession (this is accepted by all sides). A recession will mean less money (taxes) to spend on Public services. Do not believe the delusional brexiters who say Britain could negotiate a new better deal with the EU. in the event of an exit vote the EU would do everything possible to prevent Britain negotiating a better deal to prevent other EU countries from following Britain. Britain needs to sell goods and services to pay it's way, why walk away from 500 million customers on our doorstep. Do not gamble with your's or your families future vote to remain.
Of course, because we'd never go into a recession while being a member of the EU.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:14 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass
Of course, because we'd never go into a recession while being a member of the EU.
1974-1975 1980-1981 1990-1991 2008-2009
All years that Britain was in a recession.
And those recessions were the fault of the EU? Or that of an inherently flawed economic system which requires periods of recession in exactly the same way as it requires periods of economic prosperity?
Remain With or Leave the EU on 17:16 - Jun 21 by nice_to_michu
When you say that TTIP "will hurt the NHS", what do you mean exactly? Given that under TTIP we will have the option to exempt public services (i.e. health) from the agreement, I'm curious as to what exactly you are referring to.
Also, if you think TTIP is going to be announced within a few days of the referendum than you are deluded. Then again, it is the same poster who thought that it was "all too convenient" that Remain supporter Jo Cox MP was murdered in the run-up yo the referendum.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:25 - Jun 21 by exiledclaseboy
And those recessions were the fault of the EU? Or that of an inherently flawed economic system which requires periods of recession in exactly the same way as it requires periods of economic prosperity?
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Yeh, exactly.
Are we going to blame the EU for the various recessions seen in European countries over the past few decades, despite some of those countries not even being in the EU?
What about America's recession, they are not in the EU but they had a pretty large recession, so what is to blame there?
Rhetorical questions since we know what the main factors are.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:35 - Jun 21 with 1635 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:25 - Jun 21 by exiledclaseboy
And those recessions were the fault of the EU? Or that of an inherently flawed economic system which requires periods of recession in exactly the same way as it requires periods of economic prosperity?
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That a vote to leave will plunge us into a recession, when there's no evidence to suggest that being a member of the EU prevents such a scenario, regardless. It's a feeble argument.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:35 - Jun 21 by Jack_Kass
That a vote to leave will plunge us into a recession, when there's no evidence to suggest that being a member of the EU prevents such a scenario, regardless. It's a feeble argument.
I think you've conflated a number of issues there. While a vote to leave may well (no one knows so it's just a guess) cause such a shock to the economy that a recession could result, I'm not sure anyone's arguing that being a member of the EU would make us or any other member state "recession proof". Cos that would be silly.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:40 - Jun 21 by exiledclaseboy
I think you've conflated a number of issues there. While a vote to leave may well (no one knows so it's just a guess) cause such a shock to the economy that a recession could result, I'm not sure anyone's arguing that being a member of the EU would make us or any other member state "recession proof". Cos that would be silly.
So being a member of the EU doesn't guarantee us economic stability?
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:25 - Jun 21 by exiledclaseboy
And those recessions were the fault of the EU? Or that of an inherently flawed economic system which requires periods of recession in exactly the same way as it requires periods of economic prosperity?
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The impetus in the early '50s was the construction of a new Europe that would be insulated from the vagaries of world markets. If you go back and read the key texts around the very first sessions of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe way back in 1949 you'll see the desire to "see the birth of a new conception of economics; a community of shared inheritance, of common interest." The conditions that bred the desperation of the '30s, that lead to war, were never going to be allowed to happen again.
What happened? The financial power, the multi-nationals and their paid creatures in every national assembly in Europe have wrecked the dream and the pressures that brought about the bloodshed are being felt again.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
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Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:53 - Jun 21 with 1591 views
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:53 - Jun 21 by max936
Looks like the vote is gonna be to remain according to most forecasters.
Most forecasters predicted a hung parliament in the General Election last May. Thursday's vote and the demographics and issues at play is unprecedented. They haven't got a clue.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:52 - Jun 21 by Lohengrin
The impetus in the early '50s was the construction of a new Europe that would be insulated from the vagaries of world markets. If you go back and read the key texts around the very first sessions of the Consultative Assembly of the Council of Europe way back in 1949 you'll see the desire to "see the birth of a new conception of economics; a community of shared inheritance, of common interest." The conditions that bred the desperation of the '30s, that lead to war, were never going to be allowed to happen again.
What happened? The financial power, the multi-nationals and their paid creatures in every national assembly in Europe have wrecked the dream and the pressures that brought about the bloodshed are being felt again.
Those early texts (or at least the ones in the 1975 vote) also set out the long term vision for a more politically United, federalist Europe as well. They just didn't bother highlighting that bit. It's not a new concept.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 19:55 - Jun 21 by exiledclaseboy
Most forecasters predicted a hung parliament in the General Election last May. Thursday's vote and the demographics and issues at play is unprecedented. They haven't got a clue.
Remain With or Leave the EU on 17:50 - Jun 21 by johnlangy
The trouble is though what were they supposed to say ? They were remembering her and what she stood for. Should they not have referred to her beliefs because they coincided with the Remain argument ?
When anyone dies family members and friends talk about the person and what their character was and what their beliefs were.
I AM a Remainer but I honestly think it should have been accepted by everyone as a terribly tragic coinciidence that this happened a few days before the vote.
There's a massive difference between talking about what a good person she was and then saying "Remember her as you vote". That turns it political.
It's so wrong. But yet again people see only what they want to see.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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