| rooney penalties 21:27 - Sep 8 with 7191 views | HollowayRanger |
1.how many has he scored now for England
2.cant he score a proper goal
3.hoping kane will go on and beat it |  |
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| rooney penalties on 11:02 - Sep 9 with 1787 views | newgolddream |
| rooney penalties on 21:40 - Sep 8 by eghamranger |
Hated the last 10 mins of that match. Clive tildsley and Glenn Hoddle getting hard ons about the fat gilf shagger.
Another penalty!!! ✊ |
Robbie Keane has 67. Will Rooney equal that??? |  | | |
| rooney penalties on 11:27 - Sep 9 with 1758 views | paulparker |
| rooney penalties on 10:23 - Sep 9 by Antti_Heinola |
one of the most exciting teams going? Sterling apart, who's going to deliver that, then? |
i said could be one of the most exciting
you dont think in Sterling, Ox, Wiltshire, Shaw, Shelvey, Walcott, Rooney , Townsend, Ward-Prowse, Zaha, Wellback, Sturridge, Kane , we could have a great team ??
they are all held back by that dinosaur Hodgson , if you let Monk or Howe have those sort of players we could have something going and be contenders
instead we pack the squad with the Vardy's Milners, Masons, Carricks, Hendersons of this world
we set up to defend, play one up top at home and play sideways football with the pace of a snail , its horrible football ,
under toady we will be knocked out again in the group stages |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| rooney penalties on 11:42 - Sep 9 with 1740 views | simmo |
| rooney penalties on 11:27 - Sep 9 by paulparker |
i said could be one of the most exciting
you dont think in Sterling, Ox, Wiltshire, Shaw, Shelvey, Walcott, Rooney , Townsend, Ward-Prowse, Zaha, Wellback, Sturridge, Kane , we could have a great team ??
they are all held back by that dinosaur Hodgson , if you let Monk or Howe have those sort of players we could have something going and be contenders
instead we pack the squad with the Vardy's Milners, Masons, Carricks, Hendersons of this world
we set up to defend, play one up top at home and play sideways football with the pace of a snail , its horrible football ,
under toady we will be knocked out again in the group stages |
Every player you named there is an attacker, barring Shaw who is an attacking full back. That doesn't make a great team... Hodgson can't play them all but has included nearly all of them in some way, when they've been available. Monk also plays one up top, his team is built on being solid first and foremost with the likes of Williams at the back and Cork and Shelvey sitting deep. They play patient build up and then counter attack fast when they get the ball, it's almost identical to Hodgsons England.
Horrible football is hoofing it to the striker and playing off him, playing channel balls in behind opposition full backs. That's not anything like what we do. Wales for example stay tight, compact and organised and make sure they stay in games long enough for Bale to pop up with some magic and win them games, they have won nearly all their games 1-0. There's nothing wrong with that, they are playing to their strengths, as are we... |  |
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| rooney penalties on 11:54 - Sep 9 with 1720 views | johnhoop |
I thought we played some excellent and yes, exciting football in our final qualifier at the end of last season, the 3-2 away win in Slovenia. I seem to remember it being based around fast attacking one-touch stuff between Henderson, Wilshere, Lallana and Sterling. If we could ever get that bunch fit again at the same time to play together again I think there is some real potential. |  | | |
| rooney penalties on 12:01 - Sep 9 with 1708 views | derbyhoop |
Rooney's limitations and life style stop him becoming a world class striker but you cannot knock a 12 year international career nor the 50 goals. It doesn't really matter how many penalties are included in the 50. Every decent striker (Charlie Austin, anyone) will take all chances to add to his tally.
Chances are Rooney will still be scoring international goals in 2 or 3 years time and could set a record that will not be beaten in my lifetime. Kane, debuting at 21, won't get close. And, given the limited opportunities for English players in the PL, I cannot see anybody else getting 40. |  |
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| rooney penalties on 12:08 - Sep 9 with 1696 views | paulparker |
| rooney penalties on 11:42 - Sep 9 by simmo |
Every player you named there is an attacker, barring Shaw who is an attacking full back. That doesn't make a great team... Hodgson can't play them all but has included nearly all of them in some way, when they've been available. Monk also plays one up top, his team is built on being solid first and foremost with the likes of Williams at the back and Cork and Shelvey sitting deep. They play patient build up and then counter attack fast when they get the ball, it's almost identical to Hodgsons England.
Horrible football is hoofing it to the striker and playing off him, playing channel balls in behind opposition full backs. That's not anything like what we do. Wales for example stay tight, compact and organised and make sure they stay in games long enough for Bale to pop up with some magic and win them games, they have won nearly all their games 1-0. There's nothing wrong with that, they are playing to their strengths, as are we... |
Sorry Simmo we are not playing to our strengths ,
every single England game under Hodgson is the same, pass sideways around the back , allowing the oppo to get everyman behind the ball when we run out of ideas we launch it into the channels or the ball goes off for a throw,
we are slow , turgid and lack any idea or creativity ,
the group we are in is toilet, play like we did last night against spain, france or the germans and they will take us apart big time
Monk does play one up top your right ,but his midfield gets forward he has pacy widemen, and they play with a high tempo hassling the oppo, we are the opposite to that
we should play a 3-4-1-2 formation
the 3 centre backs Smalling, Stones, Cahill
2 wingbacks Shaw & Clyne
2 midfielders in Shelvey and Rooney(his best postion IMHO)
Sterling in a free role
with Wellbeck & sturridge together when fit if not kane & Walcott | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| rooney penalties on 12:15 - Sep 9 with 1677 views | ElHoop |
| rooney penalties on 12:01 - Sep 9 by derbyhoop |
Rooney's limitations and life style stop him becoming a world class striker but you cannot knock a 12 year international career nor the 50 goals. It doesn't really matter how many penalties are included in the 50. Every decent striker (Charlie Austin, anyone) will take all chances to add to his tally.
Chances are Rooney will still be scoring international goals in 2 or 3 years time and could set a record that will not be beaten in my lifetime. Kane, debuting at 21, won't get close. And, given the limited opportunities for English players in the PL, I cannot see anybody else getting 40. |
Kane will get close I think. He's actually a more complete striker than Rooney and Charlton wasn't really a striker at all. Apart from Lineker and Shearer, who didn't have so many chances against minor opposition as Kane will get, it's difficult to see who else has had much of a chance to score so many goals, as we didn't used to have so many international games as we do now. Rooney won't play against Estonia and Lithuania so presumably Kane will start. He could easily score 3 or 4 between those two games. If he stays fit he's going to get plenty and he'll last longer than the likes of Owen and Rooney because he's started later and is more versatile. Klinsmann for instance didn't score his first international goal until he was nearly 24 and scored his last one was when he was nearly 34. |  | | |
| rooney penalties on 12:20 - Sep 9 with 1661 views | simmo |
| rooney penalties on 12:08 - Sep 9 by paulparker |
Sorry Simmo we are not playing to our strengths ,
every single England game under Hodgson is the same, pass sideways around the back , allowing the oppo to get everyman behind the ball when we run out of ideas we launch it into the channels or the ball goes off for a throw,
we are slow , turgid and lack any idea or creativity ,
the group we are in is toilet, play like we did last night against spain, france or the germans and they will take us apart big time
Monk does play one up top your right ,but his midfield gets forward he has pacy widemen, and they play with a high tempo hassling the oppo, we are the opposite to that
we should play a 3-4-1-2 formation
the 3 centre backs Smalling, Stones, Cahill
2 wingbacks Shaw & Clyne
2 midfielders in Shelvey and Rooney(his best postion IMHO)
Sterling in a free role
with Wellbeck & sturridge together when fit if not kane & Walcott |
I can see why Hodgson is not very popular to some, but I think this is a bit of a thankless task at the moment, especially when there's so much change happening behind the scenes.
You're right that the group isn't amazing - although Switzerland and Slovenia are decent enough on their day - but we should have come top and we have, really emphatically too. I am not sure what more he could have done. | |
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| rooney penalties on 12:35 - Sep 9 with 1626 views | Pommyhoop |
| rooney penalties on 12:15 - Sep 9 by ElHoop |
Kane will get close I think. He's actually a more complete striker than Rooney and Charlton wasn't really a striker at all. Apart from Lineker and Shearer, who didn't have so many chances against minor opposition as Kane will get, it's difficult to see who else has had much of a chance to score so many goals, as we didn't used to have so many international games as we do now. Rooney won't play against Estonia and Lithuania so presumably Kane will start. He could easily score 3 or 4 between those two games. If he stays fit he's going to get plenty and he'll last longer than the likes of Owen and Rooney because he's started later and is more versatile. Klinsmann for instance didn't score his first international goal until he was nearly 24 and scored his last one was when he was nearly 34. |
Kane has still got to get over is 'after the Lord Mayors show'' 2nd season slump yet. I stand by my shout earlier that he had a very lucky season and he might crash and burn yet. Charlie is a better natural striker IMHO. |  |
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| rooney penalties on 12:35 - Sep 9 with 1624 views | paulparker |
| rooney penalties on 12:20 - Sep 9 by simmo |
I can see why Hodgson is not very popular to some, but I think this is a bit of a thankless task at the moment, especially when there's so much change happening behind the scenes.
You're right that the group isn't amazing - although Switzerland and Slovenia are decent enough on their day - but we should have come top and we have, really emphatically too. I am not sure what more he could have done. |
the whole group bar the sloveina and swiss game away has been poor and we have played poorly , we have played like a prem team who have grinded out a result away to Gillingahm in the fa cup , lets be honest Simmo a chimp could have managed us and still qualified, last night was a real chance to change tactics it was a free game or bonus game but it was still about grinding a 1-0 and making sure rooney got his goal
Hodgson should have been sacked after the World cup but we have been brainwashed into thinking we played well and were unlucky !! we goyt 1 point ,
we have had 2 tournaments under hodgson and we have played sh1t in both playing the same snail pace crab football
this group of players could be a good team and as ive said in previous posts we wont have a better chance of at least getting to a semi final than this tournament | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| rooney penalties on 12:59 - Sep 9 with 1597 views | qpr1976 |
| rooney penalties on 23:18 - Sep 8 by Toast_R |
England player getting panned for scoring penalties, well I never. |
It's not realistic that any professional footballer or captain of his country would turn down taking the the penalty on the basis that 'he wants to break England all time scoring record by only scoring worldies !', or that he might suggest to the England Manager, I'd really only rather play in games against the top 20 nations........
I seem to recall Gary Lineker missing a penalty v Brazil at Wembley which would have brought him level with Bobby Charlton's record ! Would he have got the same reaction ?
Agree with Simmo regards Hodgson. It's not pretty to watch, and there may well be games to try alternate formations, but it's catch 22. you might as well get good at playing your preferred formation, than try random others which you may never use.
He put switzerland on the map Internationally when Managing them.
All fairly irrelevant, as our media will hype England up in the run up to the Finals, so we all start to believe again. Someone will record a song to unite us all and we'll flatter to deceive, falling in the Quarters.
On the plus side, Wales & Northern Ireland will be home before their postcards ! [Post edited 9 Sep 2015 13:21]
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| rooney penalties on 13:08 - Sep 9 with 1583 views | ElHoop |
| rooney penalties on 12:35 - Sep 9 by Pommyhoop |
Kane has still got to get over is 'after the Lord Mayors show'' 2nd season slump yet. I stand by my shout earlier that he had a very lucky season and he might crash and burn yet. Charlie is a better natural striker IMHO. |
I think that you will end up being well off the mark there Pom but we shall see. Kane looks more like a German striker than the sort of English striker that I'm used to. He seems to be far more 'technical' than most English strikers of that type. In some ways he's quite like Charlie in how he goes about nicking a bit of space in or around the box. For a decent midfielder/wide man in the same side, he must be great to have around once you get used to him, as you can look for the gaps knowing that he's probably looking for the same ones. He's very very good I think. | | | |
| rooney penalties on 13:43 - Sep 9 with 1534 views | simmo |
| rooney penalties on 13:08 - Sep 9 by ElHoop |
I think that you will end up being well off the mark there Pom but we shall see. Kane looks more like a German striker than the sort of English striker that I'm used to. He seems to be far more 'technical' than most English strikers of that type. In some ways he's quite like Charlie in how he goes about nicking a bit of space in or around the box. For a decent midfielder/wide man in the same side, he must be great to have around once you get used to him, as you can look for the gaps knowing that he's probably looking for the same ones. He's very very good I think. |
I'm 50/50 on Kane TBH, Spurs have created 10 clear cut opportunities this season, most of them falling to Kane and none of them converted, I couldn't see Austin doing that and his 1 in 2 stats over multiple seasons back that up.
It's a wait and see with Kane, a Spurs friend of mine compared him to Muller and while I think that's hyperbole (and it's not a direct comparison), there are certain qualities I think they share which could make Kane very good if he continues to work on other parts of his game. This year is big for him, last season when he scored everybody was pleasantly surprised and it was unexpected, this year playing well and scoring every week will be his job, he's also got the pressure of being Spurs only proper striker, let's see how he does... | |
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| rooney penalties on 13:53 - Sep 9 with 1509 views | Tonto |
| rooney penalties on 09:32 - Sep 9 by andygg |
Most of his goals against shit teams.
Will be totally useless, as usual, in a proper competition.
Seeing as England had already qualified, Woy the dinosaur should have tred something different. |
just need to point out that Bobby Charlton scored 75% of his England goals in friendlies, and scored less goals than Rooney in Tournaments (4 in WC, 1 in Euro finals compared to 1 and 5 for Rooney)
Both must be shit then... |  |
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| rooney penalties on 14:01 - Sep 9 with 1496 views | simmo |
| rooney penalties on 13:53 - Sep 9 by Tonto |
just need to point out that Bobby Charlton scored 75% of his England goals in friendlies, and scored less goals than Rooney in Tournaments (4 in WC, 1 in Euro finals compared to 1 and 5 for Rooney)
Both must be shit then... |
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| rooney penalties on 14:07 - Sep 9 with 1453 views | ElHoop |
| rooney penalties on 13:53 - Sep 9 by Tonto |
just need to point out that Bobby Charlton scored 75% of his England goals in friendlies, and scored less goals than Rooney in Tournaments (4 in WC, 1 in Euro finals compared to 1 and 5 for Rooney)
Both must be shit then... |
Charlton wasn't a striker though. You'd be better off comparing him to Fat Frank. | | | |
| rooney penalties on 14:10 - Sep 9 with 1446 views | ElHoop |
| rooney penalties on 13:43 - Sep 9 by simmo |
I'm 50/50 on Kane TBH, Spurs have created 10 clear cut opportunities this season, most of them falling to Kane and none of them converted, I couldn't see Austin doing that and his 1 in 2 stats over multiple seasons back that up.
It's a wait and see with Kane, a Spurs friend of mine compared him to Muller and while I think that's hyperbole (and it's not a direct comparison), there are certain qualities I think they share which could make Kane very good if he continues to work on other parts of his game. This year is big for him, last season when he scored everybody was pleasantly surprised and it was unexpected, this year playing well and scoring every week will be his job, he's also got the pressure of being Spurs only proper striker, let's see how he does... |
Muller was a one-off - nobody is like him or ever will be and certainly not Kane, other than that they both kick a ball score goals. Kane surely has more in common with Klinsmann?
I mean 4 games plus a couple of subs for England and 2 goals. It's hardly a crisis. Ramsey gets to the end of September before anyone's allowed to be critical and poor old Kane's getting the old scaffolding up already. Funny old game innit. | | | |
| rooney penalties on 14:28 - Sep 9 with 1428 views | Pommyhoop |
| rooney penalties on 14:10 - Sep 9 by ElHoop |
Muller was a one-off - nobody is like him or ever will be and certainly not Kane, other than that they both kick a ball score goals. Kane surely has more in common with Klinsmann?
I mean 4 games plus a couple of subs for England and 2 goals. It's hardly a crisis. Ramsey gets to the end of September before anyone's allowed to be critical and poor old Kane's getting the old scaffolding up already. Funny old game innit. |
Beg to differ about Ramsey.He had plenty of critics before his first season ( H gets plaudits for dead wood trimming with the help of transfer windows.) Then there was full blown calls for his sacking after his 3rd game in charge of his own team..'Fck off Ramsey '' was a popular post on the match thread.. Funny old game indeed. [Post edited 9 Sep 2015 14:29]
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| rooney penalties on 14:34 - Sep 9 with 1411 views | ElHoop |
| rooney penalties on 14:28 - Sep 9 by Pommyhoop |
Beg to differ about Ramsey.He had plenty of critics before his first season ( H gets plaudits for dead wood trimming with the help of transfer windows.) Then there was full blown calls for his sacking after his 3rd game in charge of his own team..'Fck off Ramsey '' was a popular post on the match thread.. Funny old game indeed. [Post edited 9 Sep 2015 14:29]
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Look you don't need to tell me, I want Ramsey to stay at QPR and be a success and i want Kane to be a superstar and both could happen, so give them a bit of time. But it's possible to criticise both of them too. | | | |
| rooney penalties on 14:37 - Sep 9 with 1406 views | Jigsore |
Kane did really well last night, his goal was really well taken too. Theway he reacts to that ball before anyone else and sets it up for a first time finish into the corner was lovely
Shrek features has scored a load of penalties and tap-ins lately but frankly Kane is way too good not to be starting imo |  |
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| rooney penalties on 16:07 - Sep 9 with 1357 views | connell10 |
| rooney penalties on 14:37 - Sep 9 by Jigsore |
Kane did really well last night, his goal was really well taken too. Theway he reacts to that ball before anyone else and sets it up for a first time finish into the corner was lovely
Shrek features has scored a load of penalties and tap-ins lately but frankly Kane is way too good not to be starting imo |
I'd still have rooney over Kane in my starting line up! When Kane starts banging goals in every season like rooney does I might change my mind, but at the moment he is a much better player than Kane. |  |
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| rooney penalties on 17:13 - Sep 9 with 1314 views | ElHoop |
| rooney penalties on 16:07 - Sep 9 by connell10 |
I'd still have rooney over Kane in my starting line up! When Kane starts banging goals in every season like rooney does I might change my mind, but at the moment he is a much better player than Kane. |
Well Kane does bang them in every season, but he's only had one season so far.
If you allow Rooney his total goals for the past two seasons against Kane's one then he's better - 33 to 31, but neither have them have scored yet in the league this season. I suspect that this might be about to change.
But surely it's not a choice is it? They'll both play. | | | |
| rooney penalties on 17:29 - Sep 9 with 1300 views | ElHoop |
Team should be something like this:
Hart
Clyne Smalling Stones Shaw
Henderson/Carrick Wilshere
Sterling Rooney Welbeck
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| rooney penalties on 18:21 - Sep 9 with 1272 views | themodfather |
ok rooney gets the goals record for england, few celebrate cos he has always come across as an orrible git.....
he doesn't do the anthem, slated fans for criticism in south african world cup ( where we failed abysmally again, like brazil) and all the other stuff, including dodgy transfer deal from everton!
sir bobby charlton is the opposite, a gentleman, polite, a perfect ambassador.and he scored 49 in 106 from MIDFIELD!!
then there's saint lineker, never booked ( not even for a restaurant seat!) 48 in 80 and THAT missed pen v brazil for the 49.....
surely jimmy greaves stands out? 44 in 57....out of the world cup due to injury and then alf wouldn't change the team. | | | |
| rooney penalties on 18:28 - Sep 9 with 1266 views | simmo |
Top England scorers in competitive matches only (i.e. excl friendlies): Rooney 36, Owen 26, Lineker 22, Shearer 21.
Although of the 4 I would put both Shearer and Lineker as the better than Rooney, Owen - we'll never know, without injuries I think he would have smashed it. | |
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