| This is awful from the club 17:52 - Dec 18 with 36693 views | londonlisa2001 |
Today's Guardian publishes details of costs to young people of supporting their club, including ticket prices, replica kits and mascot prices.
To my absolute horror I see that we charge more for youngsters to be a mascot than any other premier league club (well, the same as QPR). This is an utter disgrace. £450 when clubs like Arsenal, Chelsea, both Manchester clubs and both Liverpool clubs charge nothing.
Surely with the income we have we don't need to be ripping off local kids (or their parents) like this? What about the Swans mad youngster whose parents can't afford it? How do they feel? Is there any provision for this if parents simply can't, understandably, pay that amount?
I realise that from time to time we probably have kids doing it for a special reason and they don't, presumably, pay (illness related and so on) but this is just terrible in an area where people are hardly rolling in spare cash.
I had no idea that we charged this sort of money - sometimes every player has a mascot and we're charging this for all of them? It's awful. Is this something that is widely known ?
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| This is awful from the club on 18:56 - Dec 19 with 2119 views | Neath_Jack |
| This is awful from the club on 18:17 - Dec 19 by dgt73 |
It's ok Lisa, your not the only person to end up looking a tw@t, by believing something they read in a newspaper and not checking out the facts. I once read in the daily sport there was a London double decker bus on the moon and i believed it.  |
As opposed to someone who believes something they watched in a f*cking film.
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| This is awful from the club on 18:57 - Dec 19 with 2111 views | dgt73 |
| This is awful from the club on 18:56 - Dec 19 by Neath_Jack |
As opposed to someone who believes something they watched in a f*cking film.
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And what film was that. ????! |  |
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| This is awful from the club on 18:58 - Dec 19 with 2105 views | Neath_Jack |
| This is awful from the club on 18:52 - Dec 19 by shandyjack |
I may be missing the point here, but is anyone forcing people to pay this?? If you can't afford it then Don't pay it. If the demand is there and they have a waiting list at this price then why would they reduce it??
This run by the fan for the fan nonsense was all well and good in league 1 but we are in PL now and people need to realise the the directors need to do what's best for business first |
What a silly attitude. Why exclude the majority? Why prevent hundreds of kids from living out their dreams? Oh yeah, because some can afford it, f*ck the rest. The pricing is obscene.
What's best for themselves you mean. | |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:01 - Dec 19 with 2095 views | Neath_Jack |
| This is awful from the club on 18:57 - Dec 19 by dgt73 |
And what film was that. ????! |
I'll save you the time wuss. You are going to tell us now, that just because you said that Dineen said in Jack to A Nory that he remortgaged his house, doesn't mean that you believed him, right?
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| This is awful from the club on 19:04 - Dec 19 with 2081 views | dgt73 |
| This is awful from the club on 19:01 - Dec 19 by Neath_Jack |
I'll save you the time wuss. You are going to tell us now, that just because you said that Dineen said in Jack to A Nory that he remortgaged his house, doesn't mean that you believed him, right?
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Ok are you saying he lied yes or no, or are you just one of these jealous and bitter people who hate people who make a success out of their lives. | |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:06 - Dec 19 with 2076 views | Neath_Jack |
| This is awful from the club on 19:04 - Dec 19 by dgt73 |
Ok are you saying he lied yes or no, or are you just one of these jealous and bitter people who hate people who make a success out of their lives. |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:09 - Dec 19 with 2065 views | dgt73 |
| This is awful from the club on 19:06 - Dec 19 by Neath_Jack |
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The politics of envy look it up.....  | |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:10 - Dec 19 with 2060 views | londonlisa2001 |
| This is awful from the club on 18:54 - Dec 19 by dgt73 |
You failed to mention ( or should that be the newspaper article) the free mascot packages the club give to charity's and other needy children. Also correct me if I'm wrong ( but I'm not ) if the child is a season ticket holder or the parents the cost of the package will drop by the price of the match day ticket. |
did I?
That'll be why I said:
"I realise that from time to time we probably have kids doing it for a special reason and they don't, presumably, pay (illness related and so on) but this is just terrible in an area where people are hardly rolling in spare cash. "
And I don't care about price of match day tickets - in my opinion, and there is no right and wrong here is there, it's a blooming disgrace that we are top of the pricing table at £100 more than other clubs, apart from QPR. | | | |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:14 - Dec 19 with 2055 views | dgt73 |
| This is awful from the club on 19:10 - Dec 19 by londonlisa2001 |
did I?
That'll be why I said:
"I realise that from time to time we probably have kids doing it for a special reason and they don't, presumably, pay (illness related and so on) but this is just terrible in an area where people are hardly rolling in spare cash. "
And I don't care about price of match day tickets - in my opinion, and there is no right and wrong here is there, it's a blooming disgrace that we are top of the pricing table at £100 more than other clubs, apart from QPR. |
Not time to time, most games apparently and if the club cut the price to £100, what would you do for the parents who couldn't afford £100, drop it even further. ?? | |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:19 - Dec 19 with 2043 views | londonlisa2001 |
| This is awful from the club on 19:14 - Dec 19 by dgt73 |
Not time to time, most games apparently and if the club cut the price to £100, what would you do for the parents who couldn't afford £100, drop it even further. ?? |
my position on this is simple.
If the club want to maximise every commercial opportunity, including match day tickets, mascot prices, advertising flashing at the crowd etc etc, that is completely within their rights to do so.
However, if they choose to do this, I would prefer if they stopped trying to gain maximum advantage of the PR they receive through telling anyone that will listen that they are 'owned by the fans, for the fans' and that we're somehow 'different' from other clubs.
Because as it stands, we seem to talk the talk and hardly ever walk the walk - in fact, we often seem to do the reverse. That type of hypocrisy doesn't sit well with me I'm afraid. | | | |
| This is awful from the club on 19:32 - Dec 19 with 2029 views | dgt73 |
| This is awful from the club on 19:19 - Dec 19 by londonlisa2001 |
my position on this is simple.
If the club want to maximise every commercial opportunity, including match day tickets, mascot prices, advertising flashing at the crowd etc etc, that is completely within their rights to do so.
However, if they choose to do this, I would prefer if they stopped trying to gain maximum advantage of the PR they receive through telling anyone that will listen that they are 'owned by the fans, for the fans' and that we're somehow 'different' from other clubs.
Because as it stands, we seem to talk the talk and hardly ever walk the walk - in fact, we often seem to do the reverse. That type of hypocrisy doesn't sit well with me I'm afraid. |
It's called spin or propaganda or whatever you want to call it and it works a treat. it's a ruthless world especially in the PL, but the bottom line is if someone can't afford something, tough, that's life. There are many things I'd love but unfortunately i can't afford them, that's life.  | |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:49 - Dec 19 with 2010 views | Parlay |
| This is awful from the club on 18:10 - Dec 19 by skippyjack |
3) 'there are more stars in the universe than every grain of sand on every beach in the word' isn't fact. Scientific fact. Which is theorised. Therefore non fact (I'm using your logic by here)... Jonjo Shelvey doesn't lack football intelligence.. it's an opinion.. (I'm looking forward to his wriggling ) (he only talks about 'facts') |
Which part of "we are talking" is confusing you then? This thread is not about the scientific fact that there are more stars in the cosmos than grains of sand on earth or the obvious realisation and popular view that Jonjo lacks footballing intelligence.
We are talking about if the directors, be it one or collectively own the club - it is a fact that they dont. |  |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:51 - Dec 19 with 2006 views | Parlay |
| This is awful from the club on 18:58 - Dec 19 by Neath_Jack |
What a silly attitude. Why exclude the majority? Why prevent hundreds of kids from living out their dreams? Oh yeah, because some can afford it, f*ck the rest. The pricing is obscene.
What's best for themselves you mean. |
Spot on. Makes little difference if some can afford it or not.
They would soon complain if we stuck season tickets up to £1200. | |
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| This is awful from the club on 19:52 - Dec 19 with 2002 views | Parlay |
| This is awful from the club on 19:19 - Dec 19 by londonlisa2001 |
my position on this is simple.
If the club want to maximise every commercial opportunity, including match day tickets, mascot prices, advertising flashing at the crowd etc etc, that is completely within their rights to do so.
However, if they choose to do this, I would prefer if they stopped trying to gain maximum advantage of the PR they receive through telling anyone that will listen that they are 'owned by the fans, for the fans' and that we're somehow 'different' from other clubs.
Because as it stands, we seem to talk the talk and hardly ever walk the walk - in fact, we often seem to do the reverse. That type of hypocrisy doesn't sit well with me I'm afraid. |
Bingo. | |
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| This is awful from the club on 23:21 - Dec 19 with 1931 views | shandyjack |
| This is awful from the club on 18:58 - Dec 19 by Neath_Jack |
What a silly attitude. Why exclude the majority? Why prevent hundreds of kids from living out their dreams? Oh yeah, because some can afford it, f*ck the rest. The pricing is obscene.
What's best for themselves you mean. |
How are the majority excluded then? You have proof of this? I think you get a lot for the money they charge |  |
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| This is awful from the club on 23:24 - Dec 19 with 1928 views | _ |
| This is awful from the club on 23:21 - Dec 19 by shandyjack |
How are the majority excluded then? You have proof of this? I think you get a lot for the money they charge |
How are the majority excluded you ask? Are you for effing real?? |  |
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| This is awful from the club on 00:39 - Dec 20 with 1878 views | BobJack |
| This is awful from the club on 15:09 - Dec 19 by sixpenses |
OK lets lay down some facts
All the shareholders are not Directors
(ans as I understand) All the Directors are not sharholders
All Shareholders own a stake in the club but not one shareholder nor any combination of shareholders without the Trust) own the club
The club is jointly owned by the combination of all shareholders complicated by the Trust where the organisation on behalf of it's Members hold the shares in Trust in this case t it is a body and not an individual - as indeed it may be with other shareholders whose shares are held by a company rather than an individual
The shares are merely worth what someone is willing to pay and if the Trust stand strong and show an ongoing committment to do the same as is it's perogative (and some may say absolute duty) then the shares may be worth very little. |
Do you mean , 'Some of the directors are not shareholders ?
Some of the shareholders are not directors ?
Can't agree when you say that All aren't. Bingo ?? | |
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| This is awful from the club on 00:43 - Dec 20 with 1875 views | Darran |
| This is awful from the club on 00:39 - Dec 20 by BobJack |
Do you mean , 'Some of the directors are not shareholders ?
Some of the shareholders are not directors ?
Can't agree when you say that All aren't. Bingo ?? |
No he means that there's people with shares that are not directors Liberty you thick tw^t. |  |
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| This is awful from the club on 00:50 - Dec 20 with 1873 views | BobJack |
| This is awful from the club on 00:43 - Dec 20 by Darran |
No he means that there's people with shares that are not directors Liberty you thick tw^t. |
Why didn't he say that then ? | |
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| This is awful from the club on 00:51 - Dec 20 with 1870 views | Darran |
| This is awful from the club on 00:50 - Dec 20 by BobJack |
Why didn't he say that then ? |
He did. | |
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| This is awful from the club on 01:18 - Dec 20 with 1849 views | BobJack |
| This is awful from the club on 00:51 - Dec 20 by Darran |
He did. |
Kids in school with me asked if they could ' lend ' me a pen, when they meant 'borrow' a pen. Some don't always mean what they say.
As for mascot prices, think the Swans should offer a range of packages / prices, not every mascot wants a matchday meal for whole family and a kit, which he may already have etc. All about options.
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| This is awful from the club on 01:40 - Dec 20 with 1842 views | sixpenses |
| This is awful from the club on 00:39 - Dec 20 by BobJack |
Do you mean , 'Some of the directors are not shareholders ?
Some of the shareholders are not directors ?
Can't agree when you say that All aren't. Bingo ?? |
Fine whatever you prefer but I think you will find it is much the same thing and the statement I made is correct english usage (as well as being more appropriate to the point I was making), this might help
http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/61381/what-exactly-does-all-items-not
Consider the old saying - all that glitters is not gold
I of course can understand your confusion but I would consider it basic logic speak
i.e. the statement "All the Directors are shareholders" is not true (which was central to the logic point being made - as the poster was referring to the directors owning the club)
or put in perhaps a way that is more familiar to you - Not all the shareholders are directors (the fact that some are is less important than the fact some are not)
The net effect of the statements being if you had a ven diagram of Directors and shareholders, some would be in the overlap i.e being both Director and shareholder (Huw and LD) and others would only be in one group or the other.
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| This is awful from the club on 02:00 - Dec 20 with 1831 views | DJack |
| This is awful from the club on 19:49 - Dec 19 by Parlay |
Which part of "we are talking" is confusing you then? This thread is not about the scientific fact that there are more stars in the cosmos than grains of sand on earth or the obvious realisation and popular view that Jonjo lacks footballing intelligence.
We are talking about if the directors, be it one or collectively own the club - it is a fact that they dont. |
"there are more stars in the cosmos than grains of sand on earth"
...and to be fair you only quoted Professor Jim Al-Khalili from the "Everything and Nothing" programme on BBC which is a bloody good reference point. Sorry for moving off topic. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| This is awful from the club on 02:11 - Dec 20 with 1819 views | DJack |
| This is awful from the club on 19:51 - Dec 19 by Parlay |
Spot on. Makes little difference if some can afford it or not.
They would soon complain if we stuck season tickets up to £1200. |
Spot on and your posts previously on the matter stating how much you are prepared to spend is also correct i.e. keeping to a budget. I suspect (in some cases it was demonstrated) that most of those who slagged you off for your standpoint also slag off the feckless for doing the opposite. | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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