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Garry & Huw press conference on 15:22 - May 10 by swancity
Quite right, I was at the emirates last season to see us beat arsenal 2-0 with arguably our best ever away league win. Laudrup cleverly understood the need to play down expectations but make no mistake the man was a winner. Take the two legs against Chelsea as the perfect example of knowing what was needed, tactically too.
Tactically spot on in those games and many others,especially in second halves . Its quite the opposite with the new guy,hopefully he will be given the required support on and off the field though .
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Garry & Huw press conference on 16:01 - May 10 with 1229 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 15:32 - May 10 by IAN05
Last season saw some great performances against some of the top sides, tactically spot on and a desire and belief to get a result. Liverpool away in cup, Arsenal away and Chelsea in cup the stand out results.
This season, for whatever reason that all changed and we appeared happy to end the game with a narrow defeat. Spurs away, United away in league, Chelsea away, City home etc were all games where you felt that a bit more intent and purpose would have got us a result, but we seemed to allow the games to fade out and be accepting of a decent performance.
I couldn't agree more with this.
My view, for what it's worth, is that the 'Swansea Way' referred to by Huw and Garry Monk has little to do with a reference to a particular style of play. I get the impression that it is far more to do with attitude, work ethic and team spirit.
I believe that somehow this season we seemed to lose our spirit - we stopped realising that the only way we can succeed as a small club is bloody hard work, on the field and off. We began to stroll through games, as Ian said, thinking that as long as we weren't getting humiliated 6-0 we were OK. Pretty flicks or attempted glorious through balls were admired at the expense of pressing hard and running. The problem in some ways was that for Laudrup himself, pretty flicks and glorious through balls were enough - but that was because he was a genius on the pitch and to be frank, our players are not.
I think that Laudrup went because he couldn't stem that change in attitude, or didn't work hard enough to stem it. I also think that some of the squad at the moment are not prepared to work hard enough to stem it themselves and we will see these players leave.
A return to recognising the need for hard work, unity and team spirit is what I believe is being referred to as 'the Swansea Way'.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 16:22 - May 10 with 1180 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 16:01 - May 10 by londonlisa2001
I couldn't agree more with this.
My view, for what it's worth, is that the 'Swansea Way' referred to by Huw and Garry Monk has little to do with a reference to a particular style of play. I get the impression that it is far more to do with attitude, work ethic and team spirit.
I believe that somehow this season we seemed to lose our spirit - we stopped realising that the only way we can succeed as a small club is bloody hard work, on the field and off. We began to stroll through games, as Ian said, thinking that as long as we weren't getting humiliated 6-0 we were OK. Pretty flicks or attempted glorious through balls were admired at the expense of pressing hard and running. The problem in some ways was that for Laudrup himself, pretty flicks and glorious through balls were enough - but that was because he was a genius on the pitch and to be frank, our players are not.
I think that Laudrup went because he couldn't stem that change in attitude, or didn't work hard enough to stem it. I also think that some of the squad at the moment are not prepared to work hard enough to stem it themselves and we will see these players leave.
A return to recognising the need for hard work, unity and team spirit is what I believe is being referred to as 'the Swansea Way'.
Half the bloody squad was injured, Lisa, and there was a huge fixture pile-up due to Laudrup's success in multiple cup competitions.
Working the players hard in that kind of environment would have been insane.
You simply can't ignore the circumstances you find yourself in.
Whether it was tired legs tactics or a bit of both we let too many teams dictate play at the liberty. A number of games in the first half the opposition appeared to have more men than us because they were working harder than us and we were standing off and letting them play. Things would change for the second half but the damage had already been done. Under Garry we were out managed by mel and pulis - we didn't get a second goal when we were on top and were unable to deal with the changes the opposition made. Lets see who stays who goes and who comes in and what our pressing game will look like after a good pre-season.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 16:36 - May 10 with 1148 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 21:39 - May 9 by Shaky
For example, the Swansea way was always playing the ball out from the back, no matter the pressure. However, in the last few games we have increasingly seen the ball played long from the back.
It would be an exaggeration to describe that as hoof ball, but to me the change has been obvious.
How does that jive with Monk's supposed reestablishment of the Swansea way?
Not hoofball as you say but exactly what I pointed out in a few threads as to what my main worry was ie changing our style of football (hope i'm wrong). Our players are perfect for what we've been doing for a few seasons now, pass out from the back, keep the ball, pass, pass, pass and so on.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 16:43 - May 10 with 1138 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 16:22 - May 10 by Shaky
Half the bloody squad was injured, Lisa, and there was a huge fixture pile-up due to Laudrup's success in multiple cup competitions.
Working the players hard in that kind of environment would have been insane.
You simply can't ignore the circumstances you find yourself in.
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oh absolutely - I agree that you can't ignore circumstances / injuries etc etc. My point was more to do with hard work as a playing style rather than hard work meaning extra / double training type stuff.
For quite a few years our 'style' if you want to call it that, was based on a high pressing, hard working team effort. When we lost the ball, we, as a team, worked hard to get it back as soon as possible. I felt that under Laudrup we became more and more lethargic about doing this - we were much slower to press, slower to push up the pitch and recover the ball etc. Less so in the first season actually, but certainly this season. That type of pressing game does leave you more open to good teams tearing you apart of course in speed of counter attack.
Can't help thinking that the 5 nil defeat the week before the cup final last year hit home with Laudrup and that after that we became more content to sit back, hold shape etc which meant we were less likely to be ripped apart, but were also less likely to win.
I guess we'll see next season, but, with the notable exception of last week when we looked half asleep, I think we've pressed more quickly and worked harder (on the pitch) under Monk than we did earlier in the season.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 16:56 - May 10 with 1116 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 16:43 - May 10 by londonlisa2001
oh absolutely - I agree that you can't ignore circumstances / injuries etc etc. My point was more to do with hard work as a playing style rather than hard work meaning extra / double training type stuff.
For quite a few years our 'style' if you want to call it that, was based on a high pressing, hard working team effort. When we lost the ball, we, as a team, worked hard to get it back as soon as possible. I felt that under Laudrup we became more and more lethargic about doing this - we were much slower to press, slower to push up the pitch and recover the ball etc. Less so in the first season actually, but certainly this season. That type of pressing game does leave you more open to good teams tearing you apart of course in speed of counter attack.
Can't help thinking that the 5 nil defeat the week before the cup final last year hit home with Laudrup and that after that we became more content to sit back, hold shape etc which meant we were less likely to be ripped apart, but were also less likely to win.
I guess we'll see next season, but, with the notable exception of last week when we looked half asleep, I think we've pressed more quickly and worked harder (on the pitch) under Monk than we did earlier in the season.
Well whether by accident or design it is undeniable that shortly after Monk's reign began there were suddenly far fewer fixtures to contend with thanks to the sharpish exit from both remaining cups.
Garry & Huw press conference on 16:56 - May 10 by Shaky
Well whether by accident or design it is undeniable that shortly after Monk's reign began there were suddenly far fewer fixtures to contend with thanks to the sharpish exit from both remaining cups.
Although there is a case for saying exit from the FA cup was partly by design in that we put out a team which could be regarded as 'weaker', I don't think the same accusation could be levelled at the Napoli games surely?
I didn't see anything in the way we set out in the 2 legs which could be regarded as us leaving the Europa competition by design? I would say that we were one header away from going through (when Bony's header was at the goalkeeper rather than to one side or other). If that had gone in I think we would have won (obviously we will never know for sure).
Talk about negative reactions by posters who still want to try to get everyone else to agree that Laudrup was the best thing since sliced bread and therefore Garry Monk must be the devil who was in cahoots in getting rid of their "saint". The board didn't get rid because his face didn't fit. The board have done a great job over the past 10 years and I would trust them above you negative posters to get it right in the future. This can sometimes mean hiring someone and then firing if it doesn't work out. To all you who want to spend money and take us into debt well Im glad you're not in charge. The club should continue to be run on sound economics and not as a gambling venture. I am sure a lot of the negative posters must me very wealthy people...could you please lend me your crystal ball so i could win the lottery. After all you know that Garry Monk will fail etc etc or is it that you half hope that he will so as to justify your continuing obsession with Laudrups going. I am quite excited about the coming events to see who we will get in and who will leave. Life goes on..come on you jacks.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 17:32 - May 10 with 1078 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 17:29 - May 10 by jackpot
Talk about negative reactions by posters who still want to try to get everyone else to agree that Laudrup was the best thing since sliced bread and therefore Garry Monk must be the devil who was in cahoots in getting rid of their "saint". The board didn't get rid because his face didn't fit. The board have done a great job over the past 10 years and I would trust them above you negative posters to get it right in the future. This can sometimes mean hiring someone and then firing if it doesn't work out. To all you who want to spend money and take us into debt well Im glad you're not in charge. The club should continue to be run on sound economics and not as a gambling venture. I am sure a lot of the negative posters must me very wealthy people...could you please lend me your crystal ball so i could win the lottery. After all you know that Garry Monk will fail etc etc or is it that you half hope that he will so as to justify your continuing obsession with Laudrups going. I am quite excited about the coming events to see who we will get in and who will leave. Life goes on..come on you jacks.
"To all you who want to spend money and take us into debt well Im glad you're not in charge."
Show me one post that says that.
I'll wait...
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Garry & Huw press conference on 17:39 - May 10 with 1065 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 21:27 - May 9 by Shaky
Interesting? Highly unlikely more like.
Jenkins appeared to be giving the impression that everything was actually hunky dory with Laudrup, but he reluctantly came to the conclusion that Monk offered a better manager option due to an enhanced understanding of the club's values, fight, winnning mentality, blah blah blah.
Either the lawyers have control rods steering his vocal chords or he is on some serious mushrooms.
Or maybe HJ just lost confidence in ML and that doesn't mean they were at each other's throats as some would like to believe.
Garry & Huw press conference on 17:26 - May 10 by londonlisa2001
Although there is a case for saying exit from the FA cup was partly by design in that we put out a team which could be regarded as 'weaker', I don't think the same accusation could be levelled at the Napoli games surely?
I didn't see anything in the way we set out in the 2 legs which could be regarded as us leaving the Europa competition by design? I would say that we were one header away from going through (when Bony's header was at the goalkeeper rather than to one side or other). If that had gone in I think we would have won (obviously we will never know for sure).
Let's at least judge Monk based on fair analysis.
Fair analysis?
Objectively shortly after Monk took over: - Ex the mysterious case of Michu the injury list substantially cleared up - The number of games to be played decreased substantially due to the exit from both cups.
That leaves a bigger pool of energy in terms of available players x potential, spread over a smaller number of games.
Garry & Huw press conference on 16:01 - May 10 by londonlisa2001
I couldn't agree more with this.
My view, for what it's worth, is that the 'Swansea Way' referred to by Huw and Garry Monk has little to do with a reference to a particular style of play. I get the impression that it is far more to do with attitude, work ethic and team spirit.
I believe that somehow this season we seemed to lose our spirit - we stopped realising that the only way we can succeed as a small club is bloody hard work, on the field and off. We began to stroll through games, as Ian said, thinking that as long as we weren't getting humiliated 6-0 we were OK. Pretty flicks or attempted glorious through balls were admired at the expense of pressing hard and running. The problem in some ways was that for Laudrup himself, pretty flicks and glorious through balls were enough - but that was because he was a genius on the pitch and to be frank, our players are not.
I think that Laudrup went because he couldn't stem that change in attitude, or didn't work hard enough to stem it. I also think that some of the squad at the moment are not prepared to work hard enough to stem it themselves and we will see these players leave.
A return to recognising the need for hard work, unity and team spirit is what I believe is being referred to as 'the Swansea Way'.
The serious impact of major key injuries and massively congested fixture list cannot possibly be just blithely ignored or treated as a side issue. An example of his 50% more crammed fixture list:
Dec 1st to Jan 1st - 9 games (inc. 8 PL) in one month (31 days). That is tactics, training, travelling, playing, recovering and repeat and repeat and repeat...............
Including Man City away and home, Chelsea and Everton. Then immediately after this period playing Manchester United away twice within 6 days
Can you imagine the logistics and impact involved in squad rotation with the massive key injuries in such short order games. You are not comparing like with like. Didn't work hard enough! I would say they all had no choice. Conserving energy and playing tactically are the strategies an experienced manager would employ in such a situation.
I agree we were looking brighter especially early on under Monk, but going at it 10 to the dozen can only get you so far, strategic nous is essential (as Laudrup's 40% better win rate in much more difficult circumstances might indicate). What did you think of Hull and West Brom. I just feel we are losing our shape and style more often and the possession also is going down hill.
Team spirit is in my mind standing together when your backs are against the wall, not using the opportunity as a stepladder. As Monmouth said he let his monkey get out of control.
Re the Liverpool game - Monk and Leon amongst others will perhaps explain that one to us. I don't really see a weakened team pre COC final having a major ongoing impact on our strategy however poor Bartley did himself no favours. Interesting times though.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 17:49 - May 10 with 1037 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 17:47 - May 10 by Strider
The serious impact of major key injuries and massively congested fixture list cannot possibly be just blithely ignored or treated as a side issue. An example of his 50% more crammed fixture list:
Dec 1st to Jan 1st - 9 games (inc. 8 PL) in one month (31 days). That is tactics, training, travelling, playing, recovering and repeat and repeat and repeat...............
Including Man City away and home, Chelsea and Everton. Then immediately after this period playing Manchester United away twice within 6 days
Can you imagine the logistics and impact involved in squad rotation with the massive key injuries in such short order games. You are not comparing like with like. Didn't work hard enough! I would say they all had no choice. Conserving energy and playing tactically are the strategies an experienced manager would employ in such a situation.
I agree we were looking brighter especially early on under Monk, but going at it 10 to the dozen can only get you so far, strategic nous is essential (as Laudrup's 40% better win rate in much more difficult circumstances might indicate). What did you think of Hull and West Brom. I just feel we are losing our shape and style more often and the possession also is going down hill.
Team spirit is in my mind standing together when your backs are against the wall, not using the opportunity as a stepladder. As Monmouth said he let his monkey get out of control.
Re the Liverpool game - Monk and Leon amongst others will perhaps explain that one to us. I don't really see a weakened team pre COC final having a major ongoing impact on our strategy however poor Bartley did himself no favours. Interesting times though.
Spratty used to make long and pointless posts like this. I miss him.
Garry & Huw press conference on 17:41 - May 10 by Shaky
Fair analysis?
Objectively shortly after Monk took over: - Ex the mysterious case of Michu the injury list substantially cleared up - The number of games to be played decreased substantially due to the exit from both cups.
That leaves a bigger pool of energy in terms of available players x potential, spread over a smaller number of games.
A simple exercise in logic really.
and yet there was exactly the same lack of high up the pitch, pressing football at the back end of last season when there was - no major injury list to speak of - no cup competitions - no league pressure whatsoever given we had already comfortably arrived at safety
You are missing the point I am trying to make. It is not hard work in terms of running around more and expending lots of energy that may not be there, it is a style of play.
Perhaps you don't see it, or disagree - that's fine. I have seen many matches this season where we looked like we didn't give a toss. It is starting to give a toss once more that I believe (and I said it is only my opinion) that Huw Jenkins is talking about when he talks about rediscovering the Swansea Way.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 18:07 - May 10 with 995 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 18:04 - May 10 by londonlisa2001
and yet there was exactly the same lack of high up the pitch, pressing football at the back end of last season when there was - no major injury list to speak of - no cup competitions - no league pressure whatsoever given we had already comfortably arrived at safety
You are missing the point I am trying to make. It is not hard work in terms of running around more and expending lots of energy that may not be there, it is a style of play.
Perhaps you don't see it, or disagree - that's fine. I have seen many matches this season where we looked like we didn't give a toss. It is starting to give a toss once more that I believe (and I said it is only my opinion) that Huw Jenkins is talking about when he talks about rediscovering the Swansea Way.
Don't bother Lis he's in love with the previous manager.
The first ever recipient of a Planet Swans Lifetime Achievement Award.
Garry & Huw press conference on 18:04 - May 10 by londonlisa2001
and yet there was exactly the same lack of high up the pitch, pressing football at the back end of last season when there was - no major injury list to speak of - no cup competitions - no league pressure whatsoever given we had already comfortably arrived at safety
You are missing the point I am trying to make. It is not hard work in terms of running around more and expending lots of energy that may not be there, it is a style of play.
Perhaps you don't see it, or disagree - that's fine. I have seen many matches this season where we looked like we didn't give a toss. It is starting to give a toss once more that I believe (and I said it is only my opinion) that Huw Jenkins is talking about when he talks about rediscovering the Swansea Way.
I see it differently.
I think in the first half of the season we generally played well, but were badly let down by the defense.
Couple of reasons for that in my view, but there is little point trawling back over that again.
Garry & Huw press conference on 18:07 - May 10 by Darran
Don't bother Lis he's in love with the previous manager.
and I liked him a lot too, but I felt that this year we began to disintegrate and needed to change. I have no idea how Garry will do, I can only hope though that he proves a great success.
One thing that's for certain is that the Board have a damn sight more skin in the game than any of us do. They are fans as we are, but also stand to lose a stack of money if they are not correct in their decision, so anyone that is accusing them of making 'cheap' choices or acting without thought is frankly mad.
I do wonder if some of this is to do with a 'famous friend' syndrome. As Swans supporters, we have never had that touch of glamour that supporters of the huge teams have. All of us to some extent have enjoyed the reflected glory of having one of the world's truly great stars associated with our relatively little club - it's brought kudos and an element of envy from other teams and other fans - even those of the big clubs.
Some people seem to be suffering from the appointment of a manager that loses us (in their minds) that fleeting brush with superstardom. We no longer have a manager associated with Real Madrid / Barca etc - so be it. We'll just have to build our own legacy rather than rely on someone else's.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 18:35 - May 10 with 954 views
There's an article by Russell Martin (Norwich captain) on sky sports football pages that's worth reading in relation to this thread. (I'm technically challenged so can't post link). He talks about losing their identity, being too easy to play against, complacency and players accepting defeats/poor performances.
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Garry & Huw press conference on 18:38 - May 10 with 947 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 18:35 - May 10 by dobjack2
There's an article by Russell Martin (Norwich captain) on sky sports football pages that's worth reading in relation to this thread. (I'm technically challenged so can't post link). He talks about losing their identity, being too easy to play against, complacency and players accepting defeats/poor performances.
If ML was doing such a good job he would no doubt still be here. As he is not that makes me believe he was not doing what was expected of him. Was not sure about Monk's appointment but after listening to press conference I now believe he is the right man for the job. Great players do not always make good managers, to me ML just proved that theory correct.Gary has always been a good TEAM player this is what we need .
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Garry & Huw press conference on 19:06 - May 10 with 898 views
Garry & Huw press conference on 10:43 - May 10 by Darran
Yeah Cardiff spent more money than us,you haven't got a copy of Cardiff away to watch have you?
He got it right and he got it wrong.
It's all about being able to pay wages which are far in excess of any particular clubs earnings Dar. Chelski and Man City being the worst culprits. These FFP rules can't come in soon enough.........
Each time I go to Bedd - au........................
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