| How many more points can refs possibly cost us 18:16 - Apr 13 with 5505 views | QuakerJack |
Regardless of what you make of the decision, the fact is that the ref has been told to send chico off by Jose Mourinho.
Forget about betting scandals with players, let's start looking at officials because they're corrupt.
If we lose fairly I'll hold my hands up, but arsenal away, Stoke home now this, these aren't marginal, they're bent, it's hard enough competing against teams that have a player worth more than your whole squad, but with a bent ref as well, very disillusioned with football after that. |  |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 11:34 - Apr 14 with 849 views | SkipTheJack |
Isn't the real problem here that the laws of the game suck?
Two yellow cards = red might have worked 50 years ago when you needed to break someone in half to get a yellow, but these days yellow cards are given for almost every trip or minor shirt pull.
The reason that referees tend to show leniency towards a player already on a yellow card is because they know that applying the letter of the law every time would completely ruin the game of football. Unfortunately, this state of things means that the result of a match is too often dependent upon the whim of a referee, and teams like us are left to feel hard-done-by when the referee was (technically at least) simply applying the s**t laws of the game.
Quite aside from whether Dowd was correct or not, does anybody out there REALLY feel that a red card (and 75 minutes with 10 men) was an appropriate and proportionate punishment for the offense? Surely it's in everybody's interests to see a fair game of football with (wherever possible) 22 players determining the result. |  | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 11:38 - Apr 14 with 843 views | ApeShit |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 11:34 - Apr 14 by SkipTheJack |
Isn't the real problem here that the laws of the game suck?
Two yellow cards = red might have worked 50 years ago when you needed to break someone in half to get a yellow, but these days yellow cards are given for almost every trip or minor shirt pull.
The reason that referees tend to show leniency towards a player already on a yellow card is because they know that applying the letter of the law every time would completely ruin the game of football. Unfortunately, this state of things means that the result of a match is too often dependent upon the whim of a referee, and teams like us are left to feel hard-done-by when the referee was (technically at least) simply applying the s**t laws of the game.
Quite aside from whether Dowd was correct or not, does anybody out there REALLY feel that a red card (and 75 minutes with 10 men) was an appropriate and proportionate punishment for the offense? Surely it's in everybody's interests to see a fair game of football with (wherever possible) 22 players determining the result. |
A fair game of football is why yellow cards are there.
We seem to love playing the victims. |  | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 12:53 - Apr 14 with 802 views | QuakerJack |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 11:38 - Apr 14 by ApeShit |
A fair game of football is why yellow cards are there.
We seem to love playing the victims. |
do you honestly believe we get a fair rub of the green, just like the man utds and chelsea's of this world? | |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 13:20 - Apr 14 with 782 views | ApeShit |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 12:53 - Apr 14 by QuakerJack |
do you honestly believe we get a fair rub of the green, just like the man utds and chelsea's of this world? |
I don't no, I don't think we get a fair rub of the green against anyone to be honest.
But I don't think yesterdays decisions were that harsh. | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 13:24 - Apr 14 with 778 views | QuakerJack |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 13:20 - Apr 14 by ApeShit |
I don't no, I don't think we get a fair rub of the green against anyone to be honest.
But I don't think yesterdays decisions were that harsh. |
No I totally agree... but the way the decision was made is what I have a gripe about... I think Chico deserved to go, but Dowd didn't, until Mourinho and Terry changed his mind. | |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 13:45 - Apr 14 with 773 views | Dan_Swan |
The decision to send him off was the correct one, no grumbles as it was idiocy on behalf of Chico.
What I have issues with is how that decision was reached. In the game of football there is a law regarding unsporting conduct, in this the waving of an imaginary card which in itself is a bookable offence.
With John Terry asking for the yellow card meaning the same thing, this isn't down to interpretation it's in there. The letter of the law would have meant a yellow card for Terry but Dowd chose not to issue it for reasons only he knows the answers to.
The referee had a full view of the incident, he had the best view of it, neither lino's or 4th official would have been able to see it clearly enough from where they were to have a valid say on the foul itself, unless like Zidane in the World Cup Final where TV footage was seen (which isn't allowed).
Clearly his decison was influenced by those who had no say on the matter. |  |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 13:49 - Apr 14 with 772 views | Swanseajill |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 11:10 - Apr 14 by Drizzle |
I meant there's no point arguing with the other guy, He is incapable of accepting anyone elses opinion. Like the guy in the picture. [Post edited 14 Apr 2014 11:10]
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Sorry there. Your user names are too similar. On the phone texts, very similar. |  | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:05 - Apr 14 with 757 views | WarwickHunt |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 13:45 - Apr 14 by Dan_Swan |
The decision to send him off was the correct one, no grumbles as it was idiocy on behalf of Chico.
What I have issues with is how that decision was reached. In the game of football there is a law regarding unsporting conduct, in this the waving of an imaginary card which in itself is a bookable offence.
With John Terry asking for the yellow card meaning the same thing, this isn't down to interpretation it's in there. The letter of the law would have meant a yellow card for Terry but Dowd chose not to issue it for reasons only he knows the answers to.
The referee had a full view of the incident, he had the best view of it, neither lino's or 4th official would have been able to see it clearly enough from where they were to have a valid say on the foul itself, unless like Zidane in the World Cup Final where TV footage was seen (which isn't allowed).
Clearly his decison was influenced by those who had no say on the matter. |
The second challenge was neither "reckless" nor was he guilty of "persistent" offending so it could only be "unsporting behaviour" - apparently telling the ref to send a player off doesn't count though. |  | | |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:09 - Apr 14 with 752 views | ApeShit |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 13:24 - Apr 14 by QuakerJack |
No I totally agree... but the way the decision was made is what I have a gripe about... I think Chico deserved to go, but Dowd didn't, until Mourinho and Terry changed his mind. |
It wasn't pretty but that is the Premier League, I think as a club we are to honest and naive.
We have to play the game or people will continue to take the piss out of us. | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:14 - Apr 14 with 750 views | jack_obs |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 09:57 - Apr 14 by ApeShit |
In reflection, do you think if that was Ash he would of got sent off?
Maybe Chico's reputation precedes him.
I still think the 2nd one was a yellow, maybe he should of let the first one slide. |
Ater watching Jamie Redknapp's comments re Chico at half-time this morning I reckon Chico could be finished for us. If his reputation preceeded him before yesterdays game he's going to be on a hiding to nothing whenever he mis-times a tackle if any Refs were listening to Redknapps take on his dismissal.
I reckon Jamie's looking for a scapegoat after tipping us to be pushing for the top 6 at the start of the season. |  | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:33 - Apr 14 with 740 views | ApeShit |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:14 - Apr 14 by jack_obs |
Ater watching Jamie Redknapp's comments re Chico at half-time this morning I reckon Chico could be finished for us. If his reputation preceeded him before yesterdays game he's going to be on a hiding to nothing whenever he mis-times a tackle if any Refs were listening to Redknapps take on his dismissal.
I reckon Jamie's looking for a scapegoat after tipping us to be pushing for the top 6 at the start of the season. |
What did Redknapp say? | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:36 - Apr 14 with 735 views | Drizzy |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:05 - Apr 14 by WarwickHunt |
The second challenge was neither "reckless" nor was he guilty of "persistent" offending so it could only be "unsporting behaviour" - apparently telling the ref to send a player off doesn't count though. |
You're changing your argument every time I prove you wrong now you're moaning about something else. I told you it was unsporting behaviour though you didn't believe me a page back or so. You're turning into a worrying hybrid of Perch, Dimi and Lohengrin. |  |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:49 - Apr 14 with 722 views | Catullus |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 09:07 - Apr 14 by Brynmill_Jack |
Excellent post, it seems you have the monopoly on common sense here. The first "foul" was a wimpy push on the halfway line (never a yellow card) and a trip moments or minutes later. Neither were serious foull play |
It doesnt have to be serious foul play to be a foul, or a yellow card! Serious foul play is usually a straight red.
And as for a wimpy push, you are ignoring the context of the foul, it was a cynical attempt to stop a quick Chelsea break.
The second foul was a mistimed tackle that prevented the ball being played into our area.
Neither were nasty but the first was cynical, the second stupid. Chico gave Dowd the chance to send him off and that never goes well for us!
The only thing that bothers me is referees treating both teams differently. Chelsea got softly softly while we got harsh.
And that's what is wrong, refs favour big teams.
if it can be proved the fourth official intervened after Mourinho complained we should make an official complaint and go public.
Any referee not strong enough to ignore big name players and managers should be dropped from the list completely, but I won't hold my breath! |  |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:54 - Apr 14 with 716 views | WarwickHunt |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:36 - Apr 14 by Drizzy |
You're changing your argument every time I prove you wrong now you're moaning about something else. I told you it was unsporting behaviour though you didn't believe me a page back or so. You're turning into a worrying hybrid of Perch, Dimi and Lohengrin. |
You appear to be confusing belief with agreement.
By process of elimination (neither reckless nor persistent) it had to be unsporting behaviour (unless he whipped his shirt off without us noticing).
A bit of a stretch for me but you obviously agree with Dowd who. Let's agree to differ.
However, would you agree that a player telling the ref to send off an opposition player is unsporting behaviour? | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:59 - Apr 14 with 709 views | Drizzy |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:54 - Apr 14 by WarwickHunt |
You appear to be confusing belief with agreement.
By process of elimination (neither reckless nor persistent) it had to be unsporting behaviour (unless he whipped his shirt off without us noticing).
A bit of a stretch for me but you obviously agree with Dowd who. Let's agree to differ.
However, would you agree that a player telling the ref to send off an opposition player is unsporting behaviour? |
It's not a process of elimination though because anyone who knows the rules can see that's an unsporting behaviour type challenge immediately. I don't know why you keep talking about recklessness/persistence they played no part in Dowd's line of thinking.
Dowd was correct.
Yes I do agree it's unsporting as is the gesturing for a yellow card seen all the time and they're planning to clamp down on that very soon but with how much red tape there is involved with FIFA I don't know when they'll officially make their push as they did with simulation over the last couple years. | |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:09 - Apr 14 with 696 views | ApeShit |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:59 - Apr 14 by Drizzy |
It's not a process of elimination though because anyone who knows the rules can see that's an unsporting behaviour type challenge immediately. I don't know why you keep talking about recklessness/persistence they played no part in Dowd's line of thinking.
Dowd was correct.
Yes I do agree it's unsporting as is the gesturing for a yellow card seen all the time and they're planning to clamp down on that very soon but with how much red tape there is involved with FIFA I don't know when they'll officially make their push as they did with simulation over the last couple years. |
I think it was a second yellow but you can't say they didn't play a part in Dowd's thinking? | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:22 - Apr 14 with 686 views | WarwickHunt |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 14:59 - Apr 14 by Drizzy |
It's not a process of elimination though because anyone who knows the rules can see that's an unsporting behaviour type challenge immediately. I don't know why you keep talking about recklessness/persistence they played no part in Dowd's line of thinking.
Dowd was correct.
Yes I do agree it's unsporting as is the gesturing for a yellow card seen all the time and they're planning to clamp down on that very soon but with how much red tape there is involved with FIFA I don't know when they'll officially make their push as they did with simulation over the last couple years. |
If it's unsporting behaviour why do refs have to wait for a FIFA directive? One type of unsporting behaviour goes unpunished and another doesn't. Not a pop at you, by the way.
I mentioned reckless/persistent as it was relevant. If it was neither then the only feasible reason left for a yellow would be unsporting behaviour.
I thought it was a careless (and stupid) challenge, you thought it was unsporting - let's agree to differ.
I can accept refs being swayed by the crowd - it's unfortunate but it's part and parcel of home advantage. Being bullied by the opposing captain (and possibly manager) is unacceptable whether the decision was finally correct or not. | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:26 - Apr 14 with 679 views | perchrockjack |
Me a hybrid you cheeky kant.
As regards to the subject Dowd is referee and all players try to influence them.
Its down to him ;if he was persuaded then he s corrupt. I believe football at the moment is filthy | |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:28 - Apr 14 with 674 views | WarwickHunt |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:26 - Apr 14 by perchrockjack |
Me a hybrid you cheeky kant.
As regards to the subject Dowd is referee and all players try to influence them.
Its down to him ;if he was persuaded then he s corrupt. I believe football at the moment is filthy |
Not corrupt, just feeble. | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:34 - Apr 14 with 669 views | perchrockjack |
no I truly believe something sinister is going on. It cannot be simple feeble nor mistakes.
Yesterday at Anfield MANCITY were denied a stonewall penalty that would have ruined the whole occasion.
Its like us getting a "controversial " penalty against a billiybig bollux team in the last minute. | |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:37 - Apr 14 with 667 views | ApeShit |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:34 - Apr 14 by perchrockjack |
no I truly believe something sinister is going on. It cannot be simple feeble nor mistakes.
Yesterday at Anfield MANCITY were denied a stonewall penalty that would have ruined the whole occasion.
Its like us getting a "controversial " penalty against a billiybig bollux team in the last minute. |
It was Clattenburg, what do you expect. | | | |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:47 - Apr 14 with 659 views | perchrockjack |
I expect every man to do his duty | |
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| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:52 - Apr 14 with 651 views | ApeShit |
| How many more points can refs possibly cost us on 15:47 - Apr 14 by perchrockjack |
I expect every man to do his duty |
Then you will be disappointed for life. | | | |
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