| When are we getting a bigger stadium 21:50 - Apr 4 with 7244 views | jack_lord |
Let's not beat around the bush.
When are we going to do something, anything to increase the size of the capacity.
Directors tell us what the plan is and stick to it.
Stop mugging us off and give us answers.
We will fail as a club if nothing is done.
(I was sick when I drove passed the back of CCS and saw the new stand increasing their capacity going up - and those feckers haven't been in the premier two minutes and are going back down). |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 19:49 - Apr 6 with 1606 views | Phil_S |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 19:47 - Apr 6 by Brynmill_Jack |
And I expect the travel plans have hit gridlock, eh ? |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 19:58 - Apr 6 with 1596 views | jack_lord |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 19:25 - Apr 6 by Phil_S |
The reason the club ism't proceeding with the expansion is due to the travel plan. Until all the red tape is crossed on that front then there will be no stadium expansion
if only people had the foresight to build a stadium that had easy processes to expand |
That is as maybe Phil but the Local Transport Plan seems to have been an afterthought by the club as they have previously said that an increase would go ahead on different conditions. The Transport plan is something that has to be considered when submitting plans and the club would have been aware of this.
Cardiff submitted plans and they are a couple of months from completing the structure and they have even more complex transport issues than Swansea. | |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 20:30 - Apr 6 with 1567 views | WxmJax |
When I used to travel down from Winch Wen to West Cross in the early 70's in the back of my dad's cortina I used to look towards Pluck Pool and wonder why they didn't move the ground somewhere around there. It just made sense to a nine year old. I always thought it would be a great location as it was close to the railway line and a station could be built to serve the ground. Then they built Morfa Stadium and eventually what we have now. Obviously I was ahead of my time, if only they had listened to me regarding the railway  |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 20:46 - Apr 6 with 1551 views | Al_Bundy |
Is there not scope to bank out the middle walkway in the East Stand and have a continuous seating from top top to bottom e.g like Reading , Leicester and Hull?
Surely that would free up a fair bit to accommodate more fans? |  | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 21:11 - Apr 6 with 1525 views | Liam12345 |
we need a 40 - 50 thousand seater |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 08:00 - Apr 7 with 1467 views | jacksinceever |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 21:11 - Apr 6 by Liam12345 |
we need a 40 - 50 thousand seater |
Seems to me there are several issues:
1 - The transport / parking problems caused already by 20k attending football matches;
2 - The lack of room to expand either parking facilities or the failure to put in a workable plan to ferry fans to and from the local vicinity, to lessen cars coming into the area.
3 - The failure (in general) to fill a stadium that holds just 20,500 fans.
A 40k-50K would mean for most matches nearly 30k of empty seats (maybe more for really unpopular games) - how is that even feasible? |  | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 08:50 - Apr 7 with 1452 views | ItchySphincter |
I go to plenty of football matches and the transport problems around the Lib are hardly different to any other ground in the country. |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 09:09 - Apr 7 with 1440 views | DDCH |
Thanks Phil S for the extra information on the delays.
The travel situation I guess is a slight issue but I am sure with some basic planning it can be ironed out.
A lot of the problem is the pandering to the residents around the stadium. OK it is annoying that for a few hours once every week for 9 months of the year parking will get a bit busy...but so what?
What about places like Brynmill where terrace houses often have four cars attached due to the students who are there 24/7 for months? The university didn't seem to have any trouble expanding at a colossal rate over the last 20 years.
How about trying to really push the park and rides some more? Maybe just run it at cost rather than seeing it as another cash cow. Everyone would love to see a train station, but they powers that be don't seem to even entertain that idea, so I assume there must be an underlying reason why this is not a possibility.
I walk to the stadium from town, and the amount of empty park and ride (the regular ones not the football ones) that have passed me on the way to town is unbelievable. I once had a brief exchange with a driver through a closed bus door in the pouring rain in the hafod asking him to let people on, but he just mouthed 'I am not allowed' - The bus was totally empty.
The current policy of trying to get everyone to disperse as fast as possible could also be looked at. If you stay for 5 minutes at the end of the game the stewards will be on the verge of manhandling you out, as we found out when my friend was taking some photos of the floodlit stadium. If they had the bars open with special offers on booze (half price?) for an hour after the game people may stay and have a post match pint and help the dispersal of people.
I would love to see what the actual perceived travel problems are and the steps the council & club have taken to try and iron these out.
With regards to the 40/50k stadium comments on the thread (sorry am in reply mode and can't see who made them) I think that the Liberty would never be able to go that far, and I don't think people have suggested such a build.
However as I have often said I would be happy for us to only sell 80% of the tickets and then give the rest to schools and the like. I started my love affair with the club after a free ticket for the Jewson stand. My father is an egg fan and I would have never paid to go to watch the Swans without that initial introduction.
I see the club as part of our city, and when I am surrounded by the Jack Army I feel like I am part of something bigger, and although it is a business, I doubt any of us feel the same about any other business (dominos aside) |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 09:13 - Apr 7 with 1437 views | jacksinceever |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 08:50 - Apr 7 by ItchySphincter |
I go to plenty of football matches and the transport problems around the Lib are hardly different to any other ground in the country. |
For the most part they are surely for either established grounds (Old Trafford, Anfield, Goodison, Stamford Bridge, Craven Cottage, Upton Park, Villa Park, Hawthorns, etc) or in a few exceptions new stadia built within areas that have the same limitations (Emirates, Wembley,). I don't know about Southampton, although I have seen it from the port area so it seems to be in a fairly built up area.
Cardiff seems to be the exception with an access road to the M4 a hundred metres away.
Any new grounds should be built with parking, rail, coach and road infrastructure planned and away from residential areas.
I know the Ethiad is in an industrial zone but the infrastructure is pathetic
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 09:27 - Apr 7 with 1419 views | jacksinceever |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 09:09 - Apr 7 by DDCH |
Thanks Phil S for the extra information on the delays.
The travel situation I guess is a slight issue but I am sure with some basic planning it can be ironed out.
A lot of the problem is the pandering to the residents around the stadium. OK it is annoying that for a few hours once every week for 9 months of the year parking will get a bit busy...but so what?
What about places like Brynmill where terrace houses often have four cars attached due to the students who are there 24/7 for months? The university didn't seem to have any trouble expanding at a colossal rate over the last 20 years.
How about trying to really push the park and rides some more? Maybe just run it at cost rather than seeing it as another cash cow. Everyone would love to see a train station, but they powers that be don't seem to even entertain that idea, so I assume there must be an underlying reason why this is not a possibility.
I walk to the stadium from town, and the amount of empty park and ride (the regular ones not the football ones) that have passed me on the way to town is unbelievable. I once had a brief exchange with a driver through a closed bus door in the pouring rain in the hafod asking him to let people on, but he just mouthed 'I am not allowed' - The bus was totally empty.
The current policy of trying to get everyone to disperse as fast as possible could also be looked at. If you stay for 5 minutes at the end of the game the stewards will be on the verge of manhandling you out, as we found out when my friend was taking some photos of the floodlit stadium. If they had the bars open with special offers on booze (half price?) for an hour after the game people may stay and have a post match pint and help the dispersal of people.
I would love to see what the actual perceived travel problems are and the steps the council & club have taken to try and iron these out.
With regards to the 40/50k stadium comments on the thread (sorry am in reply mode and can't see who made them) I think that the Liberty would never be able to go that far, and I don't think people have suggested such a build.
However as I have often said I would be happy for us to only sell 80% of the tickets and then give the rest to schools and the like. I started my love affair with the club after a free ticket for the Jewson stand. My father is an egg fan and I would have never paid to go to watch the Swans without that initial introduction.
I see the club as part of our city, and when I am surrounded by the Jack Army I feel like I am part of something bigger, and although it is a business, I doubt any of us feel the same about any other business (dominos aside) |
Good post.
After the Norwich game ( and the game before) stewards were hounding fans out of the toilets and shepherding all remaining fans out ASAP under instruction from the Senior Steward of this stand.
As you say, if we were encouraged to stay for say even 15 minutes and have a quick drink, watch highlights, scores, etc on the TV's and drift out gradually, the roads would not be so gridlocked.
However a lot of people who park over by Plasmarl (by Days, etc) and walk to their cars, the roads are still gridlocked at about 30 - 40 mins after the game has finished.
So longer term, better solutions need to be found | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 09:30 - Apr 7 with 1415 views | johnlangy |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 19:20 - Apr 6 by WxmJax |
60 years ? really ? I don't think so.
There is an argument for extending one side of the ground by around 5,000 but I would leave it at that. I don't believe the fan base is that big. If the ground continues to sell out then look at further expansion.
Cardiff had that many blue seats empty yesterday that at first I thought they were fans objecting to Tan. One of their most important games of the season and they still cannot get the support and will be lumbered with a lot of empty seats next season.
There were also a lot of empties at The Etihad as well and they're going for the title. The Man City site says it was a sell out but all those vacant blue seats beg to differ, unless they are reserved for students in Salford and Manchester and weren't taken up. Both clubs are expanding their grounds though. |
If a youngster becomes a supporter for the rest of their life that means 60 years or so. I'm on 44 now and will hopefully get in another 16 so there was nothing to argue about in what I said. It'll only happen if they can get tickets. | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 10:43 - Apr 7 with 1366 views | Al_Bundy |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 09:13 - Apr 7 by jacksinceever |
For the most part they are surely for either established grounds (Old Trafford, Anfield, Goodison, Stamford Bridge, Craven Cottage, Upton Park, Villa Park, Hawthorns, etc) or in a few exceptions new stadia built within areas that have the same limitations (Emirates, Wembley,). I don't know about Southampton, although I have seen it from the port area so it seems to be in a fairly built up area.
Cardiff seems to be the exception with an access road to the M4 a hundred metres away.
Any new grounds should be built with parking, rail, coach and road infrastructure planned and away from residential areas.
I know the Ethiad is in an industrial zone but the infrastructure is pathetic
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Southampton's ground is built in a similar area to us also is Stoke's.
What Southampton have though is 3 railway stations in walking distance and plenty of parking within a 10 min walk.
Stoke have a good traffic management after the match unlike us where there is a chaotic free for all. Stoke utilise the surrounding roads into a one big one way system from the car parks for 30 mins after the game to get fans back on to the surrounding "A" roads and M6.
All we need is a £25k capacity. We just don't have a sustainable match attending fan base after that due to a number of factors.
The problem we do have is our fans who attend matches currently will now only go downwards in numbers due to growth being stunted by the board and lack of ambition and off pitch issues.
The truth is if we did go down we would be back down to 17k | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 10:49 - Apr 7 with 1355 views | jacksinceever |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 10:43 - Apr 7 by Al_Bundy |
Southampton's ground is built in a similar area to us also is Stoke's.
What Southampton have though is 3 railway stations in walking distance and plenty of parking within a 10 min walk.
Stoke have a good traffic management after the match unlike us where there is a chaotic free for all. Stoke utilise the surrounding roads into a one big one way system from the car parks for 30 mins after the game to get fans back on to the surrounding "A" roads and M6.
All we need is a £25k capacity. We just don't have a sustainable match attending fan base after that due to a number of factors.
The problem we do have is our fans who attend matches currently will now only go downwards in numbers due to growth being stunted by the board and lack of ambition and off pitch issues.
The truth is if we did go down we would be back down to 17k |
Interesting what you said about Stoke. Exactly what we need, with a combination of not-for-profit parking which is better managed to allow easy exit and access to the main roads. | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 11:43 - Apr 7 with 1328 views | Y_Cymro |
I think cost is a big issue in the delay. I've been told that expansion would be at a cost of around £3000 per seat that's added which would mean that it would take at least 10 years before the cost of expansion pays for itself.
I've no doubt that many would therefore rather spend that cash on the squad. | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 13:49 - Apr 7 with 1264 views | WxmJax |
They can't even get the traffic right around SA1 / Sainsbury's so I don't hold out much hope around the ground. Putting more traffic lights up appears to be the only idea that planners appear to have, you only have to see how bad Newtown in Mid Wales is since they put in a couple of sets of traffic lights instead of roundabouts. | |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 13:53 - Apr 7 with 1246 views | Uxbridge |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 10:43 - Apr 7 by Al_Bundy |
Southampton's ground is built in a similar area to us also is Stoke's.
What Southampton have though is 3 railway stations in walking distance and plenty of parking within a 10 min walk.
Stoke have a good traffic management after the match unlike us where there is a chaotic free for all. Stoke utilise the surrounding roads into a one big one way system from the car parks for 30 mins after the game to get fans back on to the surrounding "A" roads and M6.
All we need is a £25k capacity. We just don't have a sustainable match attending fan base after that due to a number of factors.
The problem we do have is our fans who attend matches currently will now only go downwards in numbers due to growth being stunted by the board and lack of ambition and off pitch issues.
The truth is if we did go down we would be back down to 17k |
That would go for most clubs in this division. However you don't see them limiting themselves to 20k or 25k when in the top flight. There's way too much focus placed on the minimum crowds we'll get for the unattractive games when we should place much more weight on the likely attendance for the bigger games.
We've been planning a stadium expansion for 3 years now. I'm surprised we still seem to be in the planning phase. |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 16:16 - Apr 7 with 1202 views | Al_Bundy |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 13:53 - Apr 7 by Uxbridge |
That would go for most clubs in this division. However you don't see them limiting themselves to 20k or 25k when in the top flight. There's way too much focus placed on the minimum crowds we'll get for the unattractive games when we should place much more weight on the likely attendance for the bigger games.
We've been planning a stadium expansion for 3 years now. I'm surprised we still seem to be in the planning phase. |
Are you really surprised?
The clubs ambition is to remain a prem side with limited debt and playing squad overheads.
Can't fault the boards strategy as a business to balance the books but like any business we are in competition with 19 other businesses to earn a position in the top league in the world. The problem is looming though , great investment in youth and facilities but what is happening is we're trying to establish ourselves on the cheap "apart from Bony"
We are starting to get top heavy of players who are just not good enough for this league. We have brought in players who add very little to our cause over the last year putting a lot of pressure on players who can to deliver , remain fit and play consistently.
A lot to sort out in the summer. Can we have faith in Monk as a Manager who can take us forward !? Will Monk be able to attract the right players and manage them and get results. Our current squad needs addressing for sure. The Stadium issues roll on with regard to capacity but as mentioned earlier, this is way down the priority list as cash rolls in from other avenues. The club will need a new generation of fans to follow the club as the TV cash will not always be there maybe not even our prem status.
We are doing well all considered after what has happened this season but it will need overhauling in the summer as i think the prem will be a stronger place next season. | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 16:26 - Apr 7 with 1197 views | Uxbridge |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 16:16 - Apr 7 by Al_Bundy |
Are you really surprised?
The clubs ambition is to remain a prem side with limited debt and playing squad overheads.
Can't fault the boards strategy as a business to balance the books but like any business we are in competition with 19 other businesses to earn a position in the top league in the world. The problem is looming though , great investment in youth and facilities but what is happening is we're trying to establish ourselves on the cheap "apart from Bony"
We are starting to get top heavy of players who are just not good enough for this league. We have brought in players who add very little to our cause over the last year putting a lot of pressure on players who can to deliver , remain fit and play consistently.
A lot to sort out in the summer. Can we have faith in Monk as a Manager who can take us forward !? Will Monk be able to attract the right players and manage them and get results. Our current squad needs addressing for sure. The Stadium issues roll on with regard to capacity but as mentioned earlier, this is way down the priority list as cash rolls in from other avenues. The club will need a new generation of fans to follow the club as the TV cash will not always be there maybe not even our prem status.
We are doing well all considered after what has happened this season but it will need overhauling in the summer as i think the prem will be a stronger place next season. |
The problem for me with the second line, which I agree with, is twofold.
Firstly, are we likely to remain a prem league side, or ever become a regular club at this level, if we don't have facilities at least comparable to other teams in this division? Our capacity is well below anything in this league. I know ticket revenue is a poor relation to TV money currently but a) that may not always be the case, and b) it is still a significant portion of our revenue.
Secondly, the question comes to what we want to get out of our stay in the top flight. Is it just happy memories or do we want a legacy for the club? RTB and Fairwood are great starts, and I agree that they were the priority, but now extending the stadium becomes our Number 1 priority in that regard. At the moment we're missing a trick in regards to growing our support by allowing as many people who are interested in watching the Swans are able to go and attend. This goes double for the younger fans who we can brainwash (in a nice way) to become fans in the future. Lose them now and we may never get them.
Agree that the squad needs adjusting in the summer, and we'll probably see quite a lot of Outs and quite a few Ins. | |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 18:44 - Apr 7 with 1158 views | SgorioFruit |
I will keep my two pennies worth short and sweet.
We need a bigger stadium NOW!!
And to not expand at the time where we are all expecting and in dire need of it, is just a crying shame.
If we build it, they will come.
Now crack on SCFC!!! [Post edited 7 Apr 2014 18:44]
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 18:54 - Apr 7 with 1145 views | Starsky |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 08:00 - Apr 7 by jacksinceever |
Seems to me there are several issues:
1 - The transport / parking problems caused already by 20k attending football matches;
2 - The lack of room to expand either parking facilities or the failure to put in a workable plan to ferry fans to and from the local vicinity, to lessen cars coming into the area.
3 - The failure (in general) to fill a stadium that holds just 20,500 fans.
A 40k-50K would mean for most matches nearly 30k of empty seats (maybe more for really unpopular games) - how is that even feasible? |
Your 3rd point... Laughable and insular. |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 19:08 - Apr 7 with 1130 views | dgt73 |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 18:44 - Apr 7 by SgorioFruit |
I will keep my two pennies worth short and sweet.
We need a bigger stadium NOW!!
And to not expand at the time where we are all expecting and in dire need of it, is just a crying shame.
If we build it, they will come.
Now crack on SCFC!!! [Post edited 7 Apr 2014 18:44]
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I completely agree with you. Just get on and build it ffs. If this was in another country they would have finished the bloody thing by. All the councils do in this country is talk talk talk. |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 20:37 - Apr 7 with 1079 views | longlostjack |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 19:47 - Apr 6 by Brynmill_Jack |
And I expect the travel plans have hit gridlock, eh ? |
If only there was a line of buses outside the stadium waiting to take people home or at least to the railway station. |  |
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| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 07:46 - Apr 8 with 978 views | jacksinceever |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 18:54 - Apr 7 by Starsky |
Your 3rd point... Laughable and insular. |
Insular - possibly. I have my ST, so from that point of view it is a question of "I'm All Right Jack". That said both I and at least one other have offered to sell the use of ST's for next season and had one taker between us. Hardly indicates a queue of people waiting to buy ST's or fill empty seats in a new explanded stadium does it?
Also, in games against teams such as in many games this season there have been several hundred empty seats, not taken up by the cast of thousands supposedly waiting to fill this new stadium.
Laughable ? No just brutally honest. If we cannot fill a stadium with 20,500 seats, please tell me how it is economically viable to fill a stadium with 30k. of seats, let alone as one poster suggested 40k to 50k ? | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 07:55 - Apr 8 with 975 views | jacksinceever |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 20:37 - Apr 7 by longlostjack |
If only there was a line of buses outside the stadium waiting to take people home or at least to the railway station. |
This is the way forward. Ban all but essential traffic from the immediate vicinity on match day. Have a cost-effective, non-profit making and efficient park & ride system in operation. Make sure that all forms of public transport (taxis, buses, home and away supporters coaches) ferry people quickly and efficiently away from the vicinity.
Also run some form of entertainment (highlights etc), and sell refreshments for 20-30 minutes after the game so that not everyone is trying to go home at the same time, instead of forcing everyone out like the end of some kind of "£10 Auction" . | | | |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 09:21 - Apr 8 with 939 views | ApeShit |
| When are we getting a bigger stadium on 07:55 - Apr 8 by jacksinceever |
This is the way forward. Ban all but essential traffic from the immediate vicinity on match day. Have a cost-effective, non-profit making and efficient park & ride system in operation. Make sure that all forms of public transport (taxis, buses, home and away supporters coaches) ferry people quickly and efficiently away from the vicinity.
Also run some form of entertainment (highlights etc), and sell refreshments for 20-30 minutes after the game so that not everyone is trying to go home at the same time, instead of forcing everyone out like the end of some kind of "£10 Auction" . |
To be fair I can't see many people waiting behind after the game to watch highlights on those tiny TVs while consuming piss poor "refreshments" at extortinate prices, in what effectively is a concrete bunker.
Much rather walk to the pub while enjoying a nice pint in comfort, then watch the highlights on MOTD when I get home. |  | | |
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