| Bury in deep dodo on 16:56 - Apr 10 with 1437 views | ColDale |
I don't want Bury to not be there anymore. I don't think anyone would do. Certainly, life would be a lot duller if they weren't around, as it'd be like having to go to Oldham and asking them if we can rivals again like we were 40 odd years ago.
But in terms of sympathy, I've got none whatsoever for the club. For me, it's like the dying days of George Best. He got himself into trouble through his own doing, and was given a new lease of life with the new kidney. Rather than learn from past mistakes, he did it all over again and it killed him. No one wanted him to die but it hard to sympathise when its all self inflicted and he blew the chance he was given.
And if I'm being brutally honest, I don't have a lot of sympathy for their supporters. Where has been the questioning of the board until these last few weeks? There's a head in the sand mentality that does not exist this side of Heywood and a refusal to question the running of the club. To do this once is naive but to allow it to happen a second time is criminal. They've had 2 PFA loans and they accepted claptrap about "short term cash flow problems" when we all know the PFA will only loan money out when players are not being paid. The warning signs were there six months ago, and still they carried on regardless.
And haven't the board of Bury been allowed to operate in this way after being given the majority shareholding of the club following their last collapse? Why have the fans not took the responsibility for the safeguarding of the club themselves after seeing it collapse once before?
I know there's no doubt a genuine thought of "there but for the grace of Craig go we" but we live in a different generation of sport now, and we've seen it all with Hornets and we've seen it with Pompey and different clubs here, there and everywhere. A Hornets fan recently described a "genuine" fan as one only concerned with what happens on the pitch. Those days are gone, and if supporters want their teams to be here in 10, 20, 30 years plus then they must ensure that their club is being run in a fit and proper way. We're not talking Chelsea or Blackburn where everything is run by an overseas millionaire.
I do want Bury to survive for the rivalry, for my Bury supporting friends and for the good of the town - what's a Northern town without a Football League team? But they have got themselves into this and ignored every warning sign along the way.
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| Bury in deep dodo on 17:00 - Apr 10 with 1421 views | Shun |
| Bury in deep dodo on 16:24 - Apr 10 by D_Alien |
If I was writing a begging letter, I wouldn't be too specific about proposing how the consortium might be comprised.
Is the £100k x 10 (as opposed to say, £250k x 4) just being practical, or would they baulk at the consortium becoming too powerful through the level of investment?
In other words, when you're in deep shit, do you care more about the club or your position within the running of the club? |
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| Bury in deep dodo on 17:02 - Apr 10 with 1402 views | off2div1 |
| Bury in deep dodo on 16:32 - Apr 10 by aleanddale |
Dale Board take note!!!
Add up all revenue streams over a 12 month period.
Season Tickets
Gate Money
Pies
Programmes
Sponsorships
Donations
Merchandise
Bars
Goldbond
Player sales
whatever it might be!!!!!
and spend less over the same period.
There we go.
E mail that to the Bury board of directors if it helps.
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| Bury in deep dodo on 17:24 - Apr 10 with 1335 views | StAnnesDale |
| Bury in deep dodo on 16:56 - Apr 10 by ColDale |
I don't want Bury to not be there anymore. I don't think anyone would do. Certainly, life would be a lot duller if they weren't around, as it'd be like having to go to Oldham and asking them if we can rivals again like we were 40 odd years ago.
But in terms of sympathy, I've got none whatsoever for the club. For me, it's like the dying days of George Best. He got himself into trouble through his own doing, and was given a new lease of life with the new kidney. Rather than learn from past mistakes, he did it all over again and it killed him. No one wanted him to die but it hard to sympathise when its all self inflicted and he blew the chance he was given.
And if I'm being brutally honest, I don't have a lot of sympathy for their supporters. Where has been the questioning of the board until these last few weeks? There's a head in the sand mentality that does not exist this side of Heywood and a refusal to question the running of the club. To do this once is naive but to allow it to happen a second time is criminal. They've had 2 PFA loans and they accepted claptrap about "short term cash flow problems" when we all know the PFA will only loan money out when players are not being paid. The warning signs were there six months ago, and still they carried on regardless.
And haven't the board of Bury been allowed to operate in this way after being given the majority shareholding of the club following their last collapse? Why have the fans not took the responsibility for the safeguarding of the club themselves after seeing it collapse once before?
I know there's no doubt a genuine thought of "there but for the grace of Craig go we" but we live in a different generation of sport now, and we've seen it all with Hornets and we've seen it with Pompey and different clubs here, there and everywhere. A Hornets fan recently described a "genuine" fan as one only concerned with what happens on the pitch. Those days are gone, and if supporters want their teams to be here in 10, 20, 30 years plus then they must ensure that their club is being run in a fit and proper way. We're not talking Chelsea or Blackburn where everything is run by an overseas millionaire.
I do want Bury to survive for the rivalry, for my Bury supporting friends and for the good of the town - what's a Northern town without a Football League team? But they have got themselves into this and ignored every warning sign along the way.
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Cannot disagree. As you said earlier Bury have doen exactly what we did except manage to sell players. We all know what Dale's accounts would look like without the cash influx from player sales. They would be like Bury's.
Bury will also have to adjust to the 500K loss of revenue that comes with relegation. Our accounts for 2012-13 will not be out until next March/April but I suspect that a significant proportion of the profits from the last 2 seasons will be eaten up in this years loss (next year's accounts) |  | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:28 - Apr 10 with 1323 views | mizfit |
Brought it on themselves with poor management of finances deserve all they get
I'd rather burn my last £20 note than help them mongs | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:28 - Apr 10 with 1320 views | 442Dale |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:24 - Apr 10 by StAnnesDale |
Cannot disagree. As you said earlier Bury have doen exactly what we did except manage to sell players. We all know what Dale's accounts would look like without the cash influx from player sales. They would be like Bury's.
Bury will also have to adjust to the 500K loss of revenue that comes with relegation. Our accounts for 2012-13 will not be out until next March/April but I suspect that a significant proportion of the profits from the last 2 seasons will be eaten up in this years loss (next year's accounts) |
And as a fanbase we've been questioning and debating our own financial situation since the 2012 accounts were released AND looked ahead to where we may stand now and in the future. This interest, concern and desire to improve our football club is only good for our football club.
That said, would like to see their wage bill. How much higher has it been the last few years? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Bury in deep dodo on 17:30 - Apr 10 with 1305 views | Spotty |
| Bury in deep dodo on 16:47 - Apr 10 by judd |
Scare tactics?
Blimey, I need a £1m within days else I'm a gonna, lend it me will ya? I promise to pay it back, look at my track record.
To go so public on such a sensitive issue strikes me not as a scare tactic but as a final throw of the dice. |
I still think there is more to this, why would this have not been raised at the fans forum, this cant be something to come out of the blue for them. I read it as an attempt to get the funds in locally, and not wanting to call in the administrators as a first port of call, course I could be totally wrong, either way its not very peachy for our neighbours. |  | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:34 - Apr 10 with 1293 views | ColDale |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:30 - Apr 10 by Spotty |
I still think there is more to this, why would this have not been raised at the fans forum, this cant be something to come out of the blue for them. I read it as an attempt to get the funds in locally, and not wanting to call in the administrators as a first port of call, course I could be totally wrong, either way its not very peachy for our neighbours. |
administration would now affect next season rather than this. That would make non league football a probability rather than a possibility for them. | | | |
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| Bury in deep dodo on 17:38 - Apr 10 with 1284 views | Spotty |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:34 - Apr 10 by ColDale |
administration would now affect next season rather than this. That would make non league football a probability rather than a possibility for them. |
yes, but they could make that gap up, if they go tits up thats it, for them it should be a chance worth taking, if it really is as bad as they claim. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:39 - Apr 10 with 1280 views | ColDale |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:38 - Apr 10 by Spotty |
yes, but they could make that gap up, if they go tits up thats it, for them it should be a chance worth taking, if it really is as bad as they claim. |
I think admin has changed these days. I think you need 75% of the creditors to agree to whatever rescue package is put forward. I think HMRC now have a policy of voting against that, so if over a quarter of the debt is due to them, administration will not be a possibility. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:40 - Apr 10 with 1278 views | dalenumber2 |
I wouldn't like bury to fold - however if they did, I am sure most of their fans would want to transfer their allegiance to Dale. They would hardly go to watch Bolton so we could benefit in the end.
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| Bury in deep dodo on 17:47 - Apr 10 with 1250 views | PDIDDY |
The club is a joke, Fenton a complete cock end, not been since crawley game and I have ticket, Fenton stated in jan it was cash flow problem , what a cu nt, we all know it was constant overpaying of , bish, Healy and the rest of them, shut the curtains and lock the gates, I'm past caring, rip bfc |  |
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| Bury in deep dodo on 17:50 - Apr 10 with 1234 views | Pops2 |
| Bury in deep dodo on 13:32 - Apr 10 by judd |
Actually, any volunteers to phone them up and get a gist of this remarkable business plan? |
It's got all the sounds of a Nigerian telemarketing scam, shambles.
I will say my goodbyes on Saturday and then call it a day. The fact I don't feel bothered tells me it's time to knock it on the head regardless of what happens. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:53 - Apr 10 with 1224 views | Pops2 |
| Bury in deep dodo on 14:11 - Apr 10 by Daley_Lama |
Phil Neville is looking for a new club.
In seriousness, that's a whacking great amount of money they need and they are losing one of their revenue strams next season as FCUM plan to exit stage left to their new ground.
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FC due to stay for another season so they will need to find a new home for now. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:56 - Apr 10 with 1217 views | Pops2 |
| Bury in deep dodo on 15:44 - Apr 10 by SuddenLad |
Bury supporters need to ask some deep and searching questions. I know there's no way I'd be putting a brass farthing of my own anywhere that shower of incompetent financial guardians.
Their manager has repeatedly said he was unaware of the gravity of the financial situation when he took the job.
Seems he wasn't the only one. |
Absolutely spot on, the board has mismanaged and let the true supporters down who don't care what division we play in.
Our only hope is that someone with a business brain decides to have a go and gets rid of the idiots in there at the moment. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:59 - Apr 10 with 1210 views | Pops2 |
| Bury in deep dodo on 16:29 - Apr 10 by MoonyDale |
Is that just scare tactics though Judd? Be interesting to see if there's any increase in the next home crowd, surely if things were that bad they would have taken admin earlier in the season when it became obvious that they couldn't compete in league 1...
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As we play Oldham next up, it is hard to gauge what the crowd will be or what they'll bring. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 18:04 - Apr 10 with 1203 views | Pops2 |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:28 - Apr 10 by mizfit |
Brought it on themselves with poor management of finances deserve all they get
I'd rather burn my last £20 note than help them mongs |
Don't worry, you hold onto your dole payments petal. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 18:25 - Apr 10 with 1131 views | SteTsGoldenBoot |
I wonder if there is a big unpaid tax bill which isn't administrationable?
The writing was probably on the wall when season tickets were on sale at Christmas to raise much needed cash.
I really do hope they survive, but it is looking grim.
I'm sure the last time they were in the dodo they played Oldham and got over 8,000 watching for a night game, so Saturdays crowd will be a big bench mark as to how arsed the fans are this time!
Three more months of Coleman and I wonder how close we would have been to a similar story?
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| Bury in deep dodo on 18:28 - Apr 10 with 1112 views | StudiousDale |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:39 - Apr 10 by ColDale |
I think admin has changed these days. I think you need 75% of the creditors to agree to whatever rescue package is put forward. I think HMRC now have a policy of voting against that, so if over a quarter of the debt is due to them, administration will not be a possibility. |
That would be to come out of administration?
They will not fold without going into administration first.
Just look at Portsmouth. It is a joke, that clubs can overspend so much and then continue to play on without paying back their debts usually only paying back under 10p to the £. |  | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 18:28 - Apr 10 with 1112 views | SuddenLad |
One of the worrying things (I'm guessing from a Bury supporters perspective) is that the club have allowed it to get to this stage before making any formal announcement concerning the dire state of finances.
Surely, when they had their 'open meeting' a few weeks ago, someone from the throngs of supporters must have asked the key questions about the financial situation.
What were the replies ? Were they lied to ? Have the Board at Bury been waiting for a lottery win and hoping that the situation wouldn't have to come to public notice ?
It beggars belief that it has come to this and the club have issued this kind of statement before any other.
Consider this: If you were a die-hard, dedicated, 'dyed-in-the-wool' Giggle Laner could you honestly see yourself coughing up a £100,000 sum to help the club out of the sh!t ? No, I thought not. Now can you think of 9 others who would want to do likewise ?
I can't honestly see a way out of this, based on the wording of the begging letter issued today. Using phrases such as 'the club will cease to trade' and 'there will be no more professional football at Gigg Lane' means that thing must be very grave indeed.
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| Bury in deep dodo on 18:44 - Apr 10 with 1061 views | mizfit |
| Bury in deep dodo on 18:04 - Apr 10 by Pops2 |
Don't worry, you hold onto your dole payments petal. |
Was going to use it to nail your daughter but she doesn't give change  | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 18:50 - Apr 10 with 1043 views | Shun |
I actually feel rather distressed over this.
Such a sensi. | | | |
| Bury in deep dodo on 18:51 - Apr 10 with 1039 views | Spotty |
| Bury in deep dodo on 17:39 - Apr 10 by ColDale |
I think admin has changed these days. I think you need 75% of the creditors to agree to whatever rescue package is put forward. I think HMRC now have a policy of voting against that, so if over a quarter of the debt is due to them, administration will not be a possibility. |
How is it different to the Pompey scenario, they have been on the brink for what seems like years, yet they have been put into admin, and now will suffer the 10 point deduction. It is worrying that they have let it get as bad as it is, surely there should be a stage when you open your statements an think, we need to do something here. How has it been able to get to critical condition almost under the radar of most of its fans, they should have been told this at the fans forum, as always, the fans are the last to know. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Bury in deep dodo on 18:52 - Apr 10 with 1036 views | dingdangblue |
| Bury in deep dodo on 18:28 - Apr 10 by SuddenLad |
One of the worrying things (I'm guessing from a Bury supporters perspective) is that the club have allowed it to get to this stage before making any formal announcement concerning the dire state of finances.
Surely, when they had their 'open meeting' a few weeks ago, someone from the throngs of supporters must have asked the key questions about the financial situation.
What were the replies ? Were they lied to ? Have the Board at Bury been waiting for a lottery win and hoping that the situation wouldn't have to come to public notice ?
It beggars belief that it has come to this and the club have issued this kind of statement before any other.
Consider this: If you were a die-hard, dedicated, 'dyed-in-the-wool' Giggle Laner could you honestly see yourself coughing up a £100,000 sum to help the club out of the sh!t ? No, I thought not. Now can you think of 9 others who would want to do likewise ?
I can't honestly see a way out of this, based on the wording of the begging letter issued today. Using phrases such as 'the club will cease to trade' and 'there will be no more professional football at Gigg Lane' means that thing must be very grave indeed.
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| Bury in deep dodo on 19:03 - Apr 10 with 995 views | dingdangblue |
"And its a no from me"
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