| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:53 - Jul 28 with 2072 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:47 - Jul 28 by Flashberryjack |
If he had no previous, do you not think a police caution would be in order. |
No, for two reasons.
First, he denied it. Can only get a caution if it’s admitted,
Secondly, police don’t tend to caution for this type of offence. It’s a nasty, horrible thing to do, with intention to obviously upset a group of people with the potential to cause disorder. Deserves all he gets.
Huge difference between that and calling us sheep shaggers.
Ive had youth clients given reprimands for shouting racist names to pupils, but that’s a world of difference. |  | |  |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:56 - Jul 28 with 2061 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:47 - Jul 28 by Flashberryjack |
If he had no previous, do you not think a police caution would be in order. |
I know sirjohn has already confirmed this but you can only get a police caution if the offence is admitted. He denied it and took his chances with a jury. Probably wishes he hadn’t now. [Post edited 28 Jul 2018 18:57]
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| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:59 - Jul 28 with 2055 views | Garyjack |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:47 - Jul 28 by Flashberryjack |
If he had no previous, do you not think a police caution would be in order. |
For a teenager yes. Not a 43 year old man sorry Flash. [Post edited 28 Jul 2018 19:00]
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| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:04 - Jul 28 with 2033 views | Garyjack |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:56 - Jul 28 by exiledclaseboy |
I know sirjohn has already confirmed this but you can only get a police caution if the offence is admitted. He denied it and took his chances with a jury. Probably wishes he hadn’t now. [Post edited 28 Jul 2018 18:57]
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The police will usually advise you to admit the offence if they intend to caution you. I can't see how they could have offered a caution, even if he had no previous. | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:27 - Jul 28 with 1972 views | Flashberryjack |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:53 - Jul 28 by Sirjohnalot |
No, for two reasons.
First, he denied it. Can only get a caution if it’s admitted,
Secondly, police don’t tend to caution for this type of offence. It’s a nasty, horrible thing to do, with intention to obviously upset a group of people with the potential to cause disorder. Deserves all he gets.
Huge difference between that and calling us sheep shaggers.
Ive had youth clients given reprimands for shouting racist names to pupils, but that’s a world of difference. |
I would think some people would think being called a sheep shagger very offensive, shouldn't the same law be applied here. |  |
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| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:31 - Jul 28 with 1973 views | Jack11 |
This looks like a classic case of ignorance/stupidity is no defence. |  | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:35 - Jul 28 with 1958 views | Garyjack |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:27 - Jul 28 by Flashberryjack |
I would think some people would think being called a sheep shagger very offensive, shouldn't the same law be applied here. |
I'm sure they would if the sheep had enslaved and starved 5m Welshmen before sending them to the gas chamber Flash!  | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:54 - Jul 28 with 1888 views | Flashberryjack |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:35 - Jul 28 by Garyjack |
I'm sure they would if the sheep had enslaved and starved 5m Welshmen before sending them to the gas chamber Flash! |
Perspective Garry. | |
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| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:59 - Jul 28 with 1887 views | Garyjack |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:54 - Jul 28 by Flashberryjack |
Perspective Garry. |
That's what i did!  | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:04 - Jul 28 with 1868 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 19:27 - Jul 28 by Flashberryjack |
I would think some people would think being called a sheep shagger very offensive, shouldn't the same law be applied here. |
And people have been charged with offences like that, and I’ve also had poeple cautioned for it,
I get the sheep jokes at my running club from my mates. It’s a joke, it’s funny. Difference being I did not have millions of my fellows murdered in gas camps.
The sheep thing, maybe silly, maybe annoying, criminal ? No.
Should someone shoutIng ‘sheep shagger’ be taken to court ? No, unless the circumstances are such that it’s targettied eg attacking someone because they’re Welsh and shouting sheep shagger or prolonged harassment based on being Welsh.
Difference between the two like night and day | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:11 - Jul 28 with 1847 views | latchford |
Have a look at the video evidence. He doesn’t gesture towards any director or spurs supporter. The director is taking the video from more or less the half way line . He’s clearly not making any gesture to him or his fellow directors. The spurs fans are obviously behind the goals. If you wanted to offend anyone wouldn’t you make a gesture to them? Why would he possibly make a Nazi salute to the premier lounge guests? Plus it’s the wrong arm. An absolute joke | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:14 - Jul 28 with 1836 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:11 - Jul 28 by latchford |
Have a look at the video evidence. He doesn’t gesture towards any director or spurs supporter. The director is taking the video from more or less the half way line . He’s clearly not making any gesture to him or his fellow directors. The spurs fans are obviously behind the goals. If you wanted to offend anyone wouldn’t you make a gesture to them? Why would he possibly make a Nazi salute to the premier lounge guests? Plus it’s the wrong arm. An absolute joke |
Latchford. The problem we all have is that none of us were at the trial, none of us have heard the evidence, so it’s impossible to comment on the facts and whether it’s a joke.
I’ve had cases reported in the paper where I’ve been directly quoted which bore no semblance as to what I said or what happened | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:16 - Jul 28 with 1828 views | latchford |
Well actually I was. | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:21 - Jul 28 with 1807 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:11 - Jul 28 by latchford |
Have a look at the video evidence. He doesn’t gesture towards any director or spurs supporter. The director is taking the video from more or less the half way line . He’s clearly not making any gesture to him or his fellow directors. The spurs fans are obviously behind the goals. If you wanted to offend anyone wouldn’t you make a gesture to them? Why would he possibly make a Nazi salute to the premier lounge guests? Plus it’s the wrong arm. An absolute joke |
He’s not bloody laughing now is he.
Quite why Jewish people can’t have more of a sense of humour about the whole thing is beyond me though. Kicked out of their homes, rounded up, all possessions confiscated, sent to camps, 6 million family members and friends murdered, the ones that weren’t tortured and starved. Absolutely no sense of humour when some bloke takes the p*ss because his team are losing a football match. It’s PC gone mad I tell you. | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:22 - Jul 28 with 1805 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:16 - Jul 28 by latchford |
Well actually I was. |
In which case, I apologise.
That’s the pot luck of the jury system.
How did the jury vote ? Unanimous or majority ? | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:22 - Jul 28 with 1805 views | perplex |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 18:28 - Jul 28 by Darran |
What have the people in Chris Rees gym done that’s worse? |
In the past some of the lads have shop lifted or stolen, couple been done for abh or similar, I also dressed up as a Nazi for a fancy dress party once years ago not realising at the time that it was a pretty dumb thing to do, no doubt you have done some daft things in your passed which you would never dream of doing now. | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:27 - Jul 28 with 1786 views | latchford |
Was unanimous. Amazed me. You are right. Once you are in front of a jury you never can tell | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:29 - Jul 28 with 1780 views | Darran |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:22 - Jul 28 by perplex |
In the past some of the lads have shop lifted or stolen, couple been done for abh or similar, I also dressed up as a Nazi for a fancy dress party once years ago not realising at the time that it was a pretty dumb thing to do, no doubt you have done some daft things in your passed which you would never dream of doing now. |
Oh I’ve most definitely done some daft things in the past but I’ve never pretended to be Hitler in front of a load of Jews. |  |
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| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:30 - Jul 28 with 1779 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:22 - Jul 28 by Sirjohnalot |
In which case, I apologise.
That’s the pot luck of the jury system.
How did the jury vote ? Unanimous or majority ? |
Verdict in an hour suggests unanimous. And easy. | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:40 - Jul 28 with 1746 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:27 - Jul 28 by latchford |
Was unanimous. Amazed me. You are right. Once you are in front of a jury you never can tell |
Problem I’d imagine he’d have had was the no comment interview and the, seemingly, preposterous defence. | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:49 - Jul 28 with 1722 views | latchford |
Preposterous how? To be waving to someone? Surely more likely than to be giving a Nazi salute when your young son is with you? | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:58 - Jul 28 with 1697 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:49 - Jul 28 by latchford |
Preposterous how? To be waving to someone? Surely more likely than to be giving a Nazi salute when your young son is with you? |
You are aware that the video is publicly available? | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 21:17 - Jul 28 with 1653 views | latchford |
Yeah watch it | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 21:28 - Jul 28 with 1620 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 21:17 - Jul 28 by latchford |
Yeah watch it |
I have.
He quite clearly isn’t waving.
It’s pathetic. He looks like a little kid who flicks a ‘v’ sign at someone but who is scared that someone will see so does it really, really quickly.
I’d have more respect if the bloke admitted what he did and said, look, it was in the heat of the moment and I did something really stupid and offensive and I apologise wholeheartedly for the offence I’ve caused.
Not only is he a bigot but he’s a coward. | | | |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 21:52 - Jul 28 with 1559 views | Lohengrin |
| Swansea City fan performed Nazi salute. on 20:58 - Jul 28 by londonlisa2001 |
You are aware that the video is publicly available? |
Whoppee-do, Lisa. I’ve just left a pal of mine whose Dad managed to escape Hungary in ‘56 one-step ahead of the AVO. Seeing as he was then beyond their grasp they killed his parents instead. How do you imagine he would feel opening a paper or turning on the news and seeing this simpering old bastard giving that salute without comment let alone prosecution?
100 million dead versus some bloke at the football possibly playing silly buggers? Weigh it.
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