| Was Sparky given enough time? 14:09 - Nov 23 with 3335 views | Jim |
He got us out of it last year and has a habit of starting seasons poorly. Foolham won two matches before Christmas in his first year in charge and were in the bottom three - they finished eighth.
Now we have to pay him and his entourage the best part of £10 million, while 'onest 'arry washes up with his new entourage licking their lips.
I just fear this was a bit of a knee jerk reaction after 'onest 'arry's clever manipulation of the media the past couple of weeks.
Also, there appears to be a feeling that after Man U our next three games are 'easy'. I don't think so. |  | | |  |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:47 - Nov 23 with 735 views | WallyRanger |
It's not a case of enough time, the bloke was given TOO much time!!! |  | | |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:52 - Nov 23 with 723 views | tom007 |
he didnt save us bolton did by being so crap and losing last game of season | | | |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:53 - Nov 23 with 721 views | Jim |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:36 - Nov 23 by WestbourneR |
Jim - JIM - Hughes put the team together. How does your point make any sense at all? |
That Redknapp may well not get any more out of this bunch of players than Hughes. Hughes was Fernandes' mistake, and Phil Beard's who seems to be an idiot.
Now they may be making an even bigger mistake by sacking him. We must be haemorrhaging cash already, and after January and all those brown envelopes flying around, if we do go down what sort of state will the club be in.
Good players will not be queuing up to join us. They will be discards who are being discarded for a reason and see Fernandes as a mug. Just like Bobby Zamora did a year ago. January is a bad time to buy. | | | |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:00 - Nov 23 with 706 views | Juzzie |
Enough time? Yes
Enough money? yes, more than any other Manager in the Clubs history
Fulham finished 8th after being in a similar situation - So? That is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever the same will happen again. If anyone, especially Hughes himself, thinks that it will, just like that, then I think they would be in for a rude awakeneing.
Instead of waiting for things to happen, which the management/coaching team have been, how about MAKING it happen?
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:04 - Nov 23 with 698 views | Konk |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:00 - Nov 23 by Juzzie |
Enough time? Yes
Enough money? yes, more than any other Manager in the Clubs history
Fulham finished 8th after being in a similar situation - So? That is absolutely no guarantee whatsoever the same will happen again. If anyone, especially Hughes himself, thinks that it will, just like that, then I think they would be in for a rude awakeneing.
Instead of waiting for things to happen, which the management/coaching team have been, how about MAKING it happen?
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"Fulham finished 8th after being in a similar situation"
Worth noting that the previous season we'd got to Europa Cup final and finished twelfth (had something like nineteen European games). The year before that we'd finished seventh - it was a decent team.
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:07 - Nov 23 with 686 views | simmo |
If we had played like we did against Spurs and not won a game, I'd be saying stick with him, results must improve. But his tactics, team selection, formations and obvious loss of the dressing room means he should have gone. He has no excuses. |  |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:10 - Nov 23 with 677 views | BklynRanger |
I (who have no authority) was always prepared to give him until this past weekend, when the decision became unbelievably obvious.
But given how bad things have been getting he could've justifiably gone a couple of games earlier.
Which is a long-winded way of saying 'Yes'. |  | | |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:10 - Nov 23 with 676 views | Rs_Holy |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:20 - Nov 23 by Konk |
2012 would have done. |
Just out of interest Konk, when Hughes was manager at fulham, and you had that poor start, just how bad were you?
Was it a case of...
1. Defence a total shambles (particularly at set pieces)?
2. A huge number of over paid under motaivated ageing players?
3. Perfermance levels steadily deteriorating?
4. Incredibly negative tactics, particularly at home?
5. A lack of team co-herence? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:10 - Nov 23 with 675 views | adhoc_qpr |
No away wins in 10 months, no back to back wins in 10 months, no wins this season (only club in all the football leagues to fail to do so).
Only the fact we scraped survival last season gives him any shred of credibility as a Football Manager - and that has more to do with Blackburn and Bolton being rubbish than us being good (we failed to hit the 40 point mark remember).
Can anyone do better with the unmotivated squad of wasters we have? Don't know but no one could do any worse... | | | |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:11 - Nov 23 with 673 views | Juzzie |
in 1,080 minutes of League football we've been ahead in a game just twice. Once at Spurs, we lost, and the other at home to Everton which we drew 1-1.
Hardly football-porn.
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:12 - Nov 23 with 671 views | HollowayRanger |
simple question what did hughes do right this season???????
honestly what?
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:14 - Nov 23 with 664 views | londonscottish |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:43 - Nov 23 by Konk |
I think most people are stunned at just what a sh it job he's done for your lot. He did fine with us - wasn't able to spunk too much cash and didn't bring in many players, which was maybe a good thing. Most whites I know thought you'd be comfortably mid-table this season.
He did okay at FFC, but Jol was our first choice when we got Hughes, and I'm much happier with him at the Cottage; better coach and a likable bloke. |
Hughes seems have done well when having to work with relatively limited resources (Blackburn, Wales, Fulham). When give lots of money to pass on to Kia Jorachabim-whatever-his-name-is things seem to rapidly downhill.
Al Fayed saw Kia J guerning over Hughe's shoulder and evidently spotted someone even dodgier than himself and flat refused to do business with him.
Wise choice - look where Fulham are now. |  |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:17 - Nov 23 with 654 views | Konk |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:10 - Nov 23 by Rs_Holy |
Just out of interest Konk, when Hughes was manager at fulham, and you had that poor start, just how bad were you?
Was it a case of...
1. Defence a total shambles (particularly at set pieces)?
2. A huge number of over paid under motaivated ageing players?
3. Perfermance levels steadily deteriorating?
4. Incredibly negative tactics, particularly at home?
5. A lack of team co-herence? [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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We were really pretty poor - not helped by some key injuries up front, but also chopping-and-changing. We weren't exatly gung-ho and looked pretty clueless until we won at Stoke just after Christmas. Lots of Fulham wanted him out by that point. Squad were a decent bunch of workers, but only a couple were his signings. | |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:21 - Nov 23 with 642 views | Fulhamjim |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:04 - Nov 23 by Konk |
"Fulham finished 8th after being in a similar situation"
Worth noting that the previous season we'd got to Europa Cup final and finished twelfth (had something like nineteen European games). The year before that we'd finished seventh - it was a decent team.
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and only improved after the players' revolt, Konk... After the 3-1 loss to WHU on boxing day.
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:23 - Nov 23 with 632 views | Konk |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:21 - Nov 23 by Fulhamjim |
and only improved after the players' revolt, Konk... After the 3-1 loss to WHU on boxing day.
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Yep, the senior players were widely reported as telling Hughes they wanted to revert to a more Royish approach in terms of organisation and cohesion and that saw a big upturn in results. I saw Baird talking about this somewhere at the time. | |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:24 - Nov 23 with 623 views | Rs_Holy |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:17 - Nov 23 by Konk |
We were really pretty poor - not helped by some key injuries up front, but also chopping-and-changing. We weren't exatly gung-ho and looked pretty clueless until we won at Stoke just after Christmas. Lots of Fulham wanted him out by that point. Squad were a decent bunch of workers, but only a couple were his signings. |
thanks for that....sounds very familiar! | | | |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:24 - Nov 23 with 620 views | TacticalR |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:21 - Nov 23 by Fulhamjim |
and only improved after the players' revolt, Konk... After the 3-1 loss to WHU on boxing day.
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Fulhamjim, did you know about the player's revolt at the time, or is that something that you found out about recently?
Do you know who was involved? |  |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:26 - Nov 23 with 617 views | derbyhoop |
I was OK going along with the stability and one win to kick start the season messages that were being put out.
But, that performance last Saturday, not just the result which was bad enough, was the final straw. It was his team, his motivation, his meticulous planning, therefore his failure. 3 points from 57 possible away from home; 1 point from 3 home games against the promoted clubs; no wins from 12 games are only further weight of evidence.
He had enough time. We have an outside chance of staying up, but it wouldn't have taken much more of Hughes to extinguish all hope. |  |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:30 - Nov 23 with 612 views | Konk |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:24 - Nov 23 by TacticalR |
Fulhamjim, did you know about the player's revolt at the time, or is that something that you found out about recently?
Do you know who was involved? |
It was reported at the time - I'm sure Baird spoke about it in an interview - squad were concerned that the team were too open (our defence had been excellent for the previous couple of seasons). I also heard from someone I know who has a contact on the coaching side of things that the senior players - Murphy, Hangeland + others - had told Hughes that they wanted to go back to something closer to the system they played in under Roy. Mitigating circumstances in terms of injuries to forwards (Zamora and Johnson!), but we were looking pretty terrible by the West Ham game. | |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:32 - Nov 23 with 608 views | Jim |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:24 - Nov 23 by TacticalR |
Fulhamjim, did you know about the player's revolt at the time, or is that something that you found out about recently?
Do you know who was involved? |
I heard it was Murphy and a few of the other senior players. They wanted to return to the more rigid and organised system adopted under Hodgson. My Foolham mate said they looked like a rabble in that match against West Ham, who went down anyway in the end, and it finished 1-3 funnily enough, just like our result against Southampton.
Maybe that is what really lay behind his decision to quit, felt his authority had been undermined. | | | |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:33 - Nov 23 with 605 views | Bushman |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:32 - Nov 23 by Konk |
Some people never learn! We heard all this when you appointed Hughes, signed Park, Zamora, Bosingwa, Cisse, Cesar etc...why don't you wait and see what happens before you start larging it again?
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Ooooh,get her...... |  |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:49 - Nov 23 with 580 views | Juzzie |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 15:33 - Nov 23 by Bushman |
Ooooh,get her...... |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 18:00 - Nov 23 with 534 views | Jigsore |
It was more the way we were losing the matches. Sometimes under Warnock we weren't very good but we put in a shift, no doubt it. This season some players aren't showing that fight and Hughes hasn't done enough to combat that.
His signings are also questionable (though I think we have a decent enough squad, we just need to choose the team properly and get some more balance in there. Too many midfielders). The lack of any guts at the mo is down to his signings too, partly. There's lots of minor stuff too but he can't complain really. |  |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 18:26 - Nov 23 with 510 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Was Sparky given enough time? on 14:14 - Nov 23 by Neil_SI |
No manager, whatever the level, can continuously afford dreadful starts to a season on the scale that has happened to Mark Hughes throughout his career. And that's very different to a "slow start" that you would normally associate with someone like Everton.
You can't afford to write off between a quarter and a third of a season, and Hughes already started poorly from January where he won just one in eight. That was his poor start, it should not have repeated regardless of what transfer activity he did in the summer as he had an entire pre-season to prepare them properly.
The club however has to take some responsibility for the trip to Asia, which turned into a total disaster. I had hoped that there was something somewhat more clever going on beneath the surface with that, and that they'd use it as an opportunity to do some very serious training but it turned into a silly PR exercise that didn't benefit the team in any shape or form.
Sadly it's been a bit of a train wreck from the word go. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Pre-season training. The most overrated thing in football in the eyes of fans. The importance attached to it seems largely to stem from the idea that footballers spend 4 weeks not playing football and then forget pretty much everything they've ever learned about the game. |  |
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| Was Sparky given enough time? on 18:37 - Nov 23 with 496 views | jo_qpr63 |
yes. | | | |
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