| A bit of perspective please! 07:34 - Jan 12 with 12570 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Yet again, we lose a game, and some have gone completely overboard in their reaction.
We have lost to a pretty crap PL team, but we are a pretty crap mid table Championship team which is not very good at retaining the ball.
I had no issue with that starting lineup. We all knew Walsh would start and that Morgan, Dunne and Smyth all desperately needed a break.
Should Ashby have been hooked at HT? Probably, but he wasn't.
What is the difference in the teams? For me, keeping the ball. We've proven games in the Championship can be won with 35% possession, but against PL, there is no chance. We have the ball, they can't score, it's not rocket science, but we desperately need a central midfielder who can control a game.
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| A bit of perspective please! on 10:43 - Jan 12 with 1619 views | daveB |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:42 - Jan 12 by stevec |
I think the Langley/Carlisle season remains fresh in a lot of our memories.
Can’t say that one cup game resulted in three years in League One, but it didn’t help and it certainly sealed the lid on our most terrible season.
It’s not just that these players slog through match after match and inevitably get tired, it also means they spend less time on the training ground and in the gym. It’s a recipe for all the injuries we’ve already seen this season.
I don’t blame Marti, I do blame the structure of a 24 team division and those who preside over it. |
Why does that remain fresh in your mind regarding the cup?
They both got injured in a league game |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:07 - Jan 12 with 1513 views | ChrisNW6 |
Went to the match and thought we put out a relatively strong team. Waiting until the 70th minute to make subs was dissapointing and the changes were not the ones I would have made. Starting Walsh, Ashby, Madsen and Edwards was what I expected. Punished badly for mistakes with clinical finishing, still think Edwards and Ashby will get some starts in league games this season.
Plymouth away will be tough and a point would be a good result.
Madsen needs to adapt his game in training and currently offers nothing. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:15 - Jan 12 with 1464 views | GaryHaddock |
You’d be pushed to find another game with 8 goals / 9 shots. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:28 - Jan 12 with 1399 views | Rangersw12 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:07 - Jan 12 by ChrisNW6 |
Went to the match and thought we put out a relatively strong team. Waiting until the 70th minute to make subs was dissapointing and the changes were not the ones I would have made. Starting Walsh, Ashby, Madsen and Edwards was what I expected. Punished badly for mistakes with clinical finishing, still think Edwards and Ashby will get some starts in league games this season.
Plymouth away will be tough and a point would be a good result.
Madsen needs to adapt his game in training and currently offers nothing. |
Plymouth are bottom and crap .
After " resting" our superstars yesterday anything other than a win is expected. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:32 - Jan 12 with 1382 views | ChrisNW6 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:28 - Jan 12 by Rangersw12 |
Plymouth are bottom and crap .
After " resting" our superstars yesterday anything other than a win is expected. |
A few weeks ago we were bottom and crap | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:34 - Jan 12 with 1365 views | Harma |
Expecting miracles against a Prem team is unrealistic. Losing possession killed us, that's the real issue. Need a midfield maestro to dictate play. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:36 - Jan 12 with 1355 views | Northernr |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:34 - Jan 12 by Harma |
Expecting miracles against a Prem team is unrealistic. Losing possession killed us, that's the real issue. Need a midfield maestro to dictate play. |
There's probably some grey area we could have resided in between "miracles" and conceding six goals. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:37 - Jan 12 with 1326 views | gazza1 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:39 - Jan 12 by hubble |
Why 'should' I? Is there some kind of monopoly on how I'm allowed to feel? You're doing precisely what I just said pisses me off, so you must be on a wind-up.
I 'could' look at the so-called bigger picture and suppress my emotions, but I don't think you have the right to tell me I 'should' do whatever you feel is the correct way. [Post edited 12 Jan 9:41]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 11:40 - Jan 12 with 1316 views | LordPork |
| A bit of perspective please! on 07:44 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
Mid table at present sack off a third of our season. To finish mid table. If Leicester who are fighting for their lives in the Premier league can field their strongest team makes no sense that we can't. |
perspective is being proposed...so some perspective
we have a limited squad in terms of depth.
team selection no problem, give those regularly / over used players a chance for a break, plus give those a chance to see what they can do, gain experience etc
compare that to the Leicester outfit, depth and resource. They scored a couple of fortunate goals, a stunner plus a fortuitous second against the run of play
no big deal onward and upward... | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:42 - Jan 12 with 1300 views | Rangersw12 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:32 - Jan 12 by ChrisNW6 |
A few weeks ago we were bottom and crap |
They've been consistently crap for over half the season.
So are you telling me that we should accept getting embarrassed in the cup (again) so we can get a point against the team who are bottom of the table ? | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:43 - Jan 12 with 1290 views | gazza1 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 09:49 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
The big picture? What is the big picture? We've been treading water for years. How about actually try to compete as a football club in competitions. Never know we may actually achieve something. |
We are not talking about years.....we are talking yesterdays match!!!
And the big picture is what I have suggested, MC picked a team that he thought could win and players that he wanted to play to win the match - he certainly didn't pick a team to loose. My view is that it was decent enough team to compete but not win (unless we played out of our skins) because we were playing a Premier team and furthermore our team of players that needed to be played and players that needed a rest. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:44 - Jan 12 with 1290 views | GaryBannister86 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:40 - Jan 12 by LordPork |
perspective is being proposed...so some perspective
we have a limited squad in terms of depth.
team selection no problem, give those regularly / over used players a chance for a break, plus give those a chance to see what they can do, gain experience etc
compare that to the Leicester outfit, depth and resource. They scored a couple of fortunate goals, a stunner plus a fortuitous second against the run of play
no big deal onward and upward... |
Well I guess this is where the fault lines lie between the supporters. Even amongst those that were there (most around me and after game I talked to were fuming at the selection, others on here experienced differently) and not there.
"No big deal". We just went out the FA Cup. That, to me, every single time, every single year in my diminishing amount of seasons left....is a big deal. The chance for the excitement of another draw, maybe a big away ground, maybe even a quarter final. Gone. Again.
I know that isn't true of others, fair enough, but it is the way I feel and have felt since 1980 and I won't apologise for it.
I couldn't give a tiny rat's muff if we finish 12th or 18th. I would rather we got relegated to the non league and we won something. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:46 - Jan 12 with 1250 views | gazza1 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:00 - Jan 12 by Rangersw12 |
I would have started Dunne myself but if I didn't I would have definitely taken Ashby off at HT after the shocking first half performance [Post edited 12 Jan 10:00]
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Tough call for MC, Dunne is better for sure but he has played soooooo much that perhaps it was felt he needed a rest and he wanted to see Ashby performing......very difficult. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:53 - Jan 12 with 1202 views | ChrisNW6 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:42 - Jan 12 by Rangersw12 |
They've been consistently crap for over half the season.
So are you telling me that we should accept getting embarrassed in the cup (again) so we can get a point against the team who are bottom of the table ? |
No, I wanted a better performance yesterday and hopefully a full strength team (with key players still missing) turn up and cause Plymouth problems. Currently it's our home form which is pulling us out of the relegation battle, I still think a point on Saturday is a positive. Anything more is a bonus. If we lose we regroup and try to get a point at Hull. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:54 - Jan 12 with 1201 views | daveB |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:03 - Jan 12 by GaryBannister86 |
Totally agree. The OP says those players needed a rest but if it was a league game at Leicester they all would have played.
I'm Marti's biggest fan but he lied to the fans in the interview on Friday, saying he wanted to change the mentality of QPR in the cup. No, you sacked it off like all the others for no reason whatsoever.
I am sure he was as surprised as everyone else that Leicester played such a strong team, which I guess in a way vindicates Marti as I am 95% sure (from what I could see) we would have lost the game anyway.
But for me, if I had known at 9am when I was unable to open my car's frozen diesel cap, that I would be (sort of) watching a young goalie, a centre back with zero experience who will be playing against us next season, the pathetic Madsen ahead of the vibrant Morgan, no Smyth and a second or third choice striker, I wouldn't have bothered to make the trip. Can't they let the fans know beforehand so we can decide?
I also didn't recognise Marti's in-game management. If that was a league game he would have made changes at half time, and certainly earlier in the second half.
I've made the point many times before on here that not trying our hardest in the two cup competitions is depressing and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. If I ever won Euromillions three times in a row and bought the club, I would do two things. 1) Give Marti a 20 year contract and 2) make it imperative to him and any future QPR managers that they give the cups a full go. I would be impressed if they rested players in league games before the cup games so we can have a crack.
Our FA cup record is a national embarrassment. And we don't even try and fix it.
I am sure our 2-0 defeat at Plymouth will be well worth it.
Good on Ruud for playing a strong side. Good luck to them. [Post edited 12 Jan 8:03]
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This sums it up perfectly for me, I get resting people in the league cup in a 3 game week but when we've had almost a full week since the last game and a full week until the next one there is no excuse
We have a 3 game league week coming up and not a chance we are resting Dunne, Smyth, Morgan and Nardi for those ones
I was so pissed off with Marti yesterday and after getting away with it first half still in the game he sat on his hands rather than make changes and make it a difficult game for Leicester.
Yes Leicester probably beat us anyway but the bare minimum we should expect is that in every game we play as strong a team as possible and try and win them whether it is cup game, league game or pre season
A lot of good will used up yesterday | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:00 - Jan 12 with 1168 views | Northernr |
We basically have this same thread every year don't we? I'm very much more with DaveB and GaryBannister on this issue. Particularly if, as I strongly suspect, our rested stars go to Plymouth and get beaten next week. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:05 - Jan 12 with 1142 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| A bit of perspective please! on 08:42 - Jan 12 by stevec |
I think the Langley/Carlisle season remains fresh in a lot of our memories.
Can’t say that one cup game resulted in three years in League One, but it didn’t help and it certainly sealed the lid on our most terrible season.
It’s not just that these players slog through match after match and inevitably get tired, it also means they spend less time on the training ground and in the gym. It’s a recipe for all the injuries we’ve already seen this season.
I don’t blame Marti, I do blame the structure of a 24 team division and those who preside over it. |
So a league game 24 years ago when the incredible fluke event that our two best players got bad injuries (has never reoccurred since) justifies sacking the FA Cup off yet again?
Interesting theory. |  | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:06 - Jan 12 with 1138 views | GaryBannister86 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:54 - Jan 12 by daveB |
This sums it up perfectly for me, I get resting people in the league cup in a 3 game week but when we've had almost a full week since the last game and a full week until the next one there is no excuse
We have a 3 game league week coming up and not a chance we are resting Dunne, Smyth, Morgan and Nardi for those ones
I was so pissed off with Marti yesterday and after getting away with it first half still in the game he sat on his hands rather than make changes and make it a difficult game for Leicester.
Yes Leicester probably beat us anyway but the bare minimum we should expect is that in every game we play as strong a team as possible and try and win them whether it is cup game, league game or pre season
A lot of good will used up yesterday |
That point about goodwill is an interesting one, Dave. 13 games of consecutive dross and at the full time whistle of another defeat i, along with many others, were singing Marti's name.
I left on 73 minutes yesterday.
Maybe the shock on Marti's face in that interview when told the number of fans were going is because he knew he was sacking it off.
I also genuinely don't believe that his substitutions were the same as if in a league game. Totally different, totally passive. He didn't care. Fine, but let me know before please with some coded language like "opportunity for others" or somesuch. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:08 - Jan 12 with 1119 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:34 - Jan 12 by Harma |
Expecting miracles against a Prem team is unrealistic. Losing possession killed us, that's the real issue. Need a midfield maestro to dictate play. |
You picked up on what my post was about. Thank you.
If a team can't keep the ball then it can't compete against the better teams. There was not a chance of winning that game yesterday, regardless of the team put out, if you spend 60 to 70% of the time trying to get the ball back.
Anyone ever thought that the reason we have had so many injuries is that the players are overworked trying to keep getting the ball back?
I am surprised that as a fan base on here (I'm assuming the majority is in its 40s upwards) that we haven't got more annoyed about this. We were all brought up on Rangers teams knocking the ball about. We can't do that now.
Though we lost, I was more embarrassed by how we can't, apart from a 20-minute spell, manage to keep the ball and control a game. We can't do it against Championship teams, so forget it against a PL team.
If that game yesterday showed anything, it is that we are desperately short of quality in that central midfield area. I ike my players to have more than just being able to run around and tackle. Hopefully, that can be rectified in the summer. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:11 - Jan 12 with 1094 views | Logman |
| A bit of perspective please! on 10:41 - Jan 12 by ozexile |
It's amazing how other championship teams manage it. Do you think any of the Coventry players who played in that amazing semi final last year against Man utd look back now wish they'd been rested? Memories that will last a lifetime in their career. Do the fans look back and say "You know what, the cup run really wasn't worth it, we should have rested players and got knocked out earlier".
I understand sport science, I understand everything you've listed.
But....... We've sacked cups off for season after season now and we've not progressed as a club. We've stood still. Regressed even.
One worthwhile player sale in years. What if we did progress and Kolli had a stormer in the next round against Liverpool? How much is he worth then?
What if we get to the quarter final and we get a whole new generation of fans onboard like what happened to me as a kid in 82?
I come on here year after year at this time and say the same thing again and again.
How about we at least try. |
I totally and utterly agree. Additionally Marti should not have kept Ashby and Masden on the pitch after half-time. He should have asserted his authority at that stage. Their efforts were unacceptable. Dunne, Morgan, Smyth all had 45 minutes in them. [Post edited 12 Jan 12:14]
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| A bit of perspective please! on 12:12 - Jan 12 with 1096 views | cheeseydane |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:00 - Jan 12 by Northernr |
We basically have this same thread every year don't we? I'm very much more with DaveB and GaryBannister on this issue. Particularly if, as I strongly suspect, our rested stars go to Plymouth and get beaten next week. |
Thats almost a given. Plus theres the possible/ likely new manager bounce. |  |
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| A bit of perspective please! on 12:16 - Jan 12 with 1073 views | ChrisNW6 |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:06 - Jan 12 by GaryBannister86 |
That point about goodwill is an interesting one, Dave. 13 games of consecutive dross and at the full time whistle of another defeat i, along with many others, were singing Marti's name.
I left on 73 minutes yesterday.
Maybe the shock on Marti's face in that interview when told the number of fans were going is because he knew he was sacking it off.
I also genuinely don't believe that his substitutions were the same as if in a league game. Totally different, totally passive. He didn't care. Fine, but let me know before please with some coded language like "opportunity for others" or somesuch. |
I left on 90mins with same feeling. His substitutions were bizarre and I think he was trying to prove a point by leaving Ashby and Madsen on for the full game. Both would have been subbed on 51mins in the league.
He went with a game plan, with both eyes on the three league games in 7 days. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:18 - Jan 12 with 1065 views | wortonr |
In the, very, cold light of day. It’s ok to feel angry, especially those who were actually there. I think we all expected a really good go after what was said in advance. Didn’t happen. A large issue was lack of luck..team selection? Maybe might have saved us on the day, but probably not as quite simply, Leicester have a better squad if they were motivated. And they were. So it’s ok to be fed up today, but there’s no need to throw the toys out yet. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:30 - Jan 12 with 1003 views | StreathamRanger |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:00 - Jan 12 by Northernr |
We basically have this same thread every year don't we? I'm very much more with DaveB and GaryBannister on this issue. Particularly if, as I strongly suspect, our rested stars go to Plymouth and get beaten next week. |
Post third round results over the last ten years suggest there's about as much chance we beat them as we they beat us. Like most games in the championship. At least we go there with our best recent 11 well rested and injury free. If you travelled to Leicester and you're travelling to Plymouth for lunchtime next Saturday then I totally understand why you might be a bit more pessimistic. | | | |
| A bit of perspective please! on 12:34 - Jan 12 with 974 views | R_from_afar |
| A bit of perspective please! on 11:44 - Jan 12 by GaryBannister86 |
Well I guess this is where the fault lines lie between the supporters. Even amongst those that were there (most around me and after game I talked to were fuming at the selection, others on here experienced differently) and not there.
"No big deal". We just went out the FA Cup. That, to me, every single time, every single year in my diminishing amount of seasons left....is a big deal. The chance for the excitement of another draw, maybe a big away ground, maybe even a quarter final. Gone. Again.
I know that isn't true of others, fair enough, but it is the way I feel and have felt since 1980 and I won't apologise for it.
I couldn't give a tiny rat's muff if we finish 12th or 18th. I would rather we got relegated to the non league and we won something. |
"I couldn't give a tiny rat's muff if we finish 12th or 18th".
I would love us to win something too but the trouble is, with our thin squad, poor player development and S & P related constraints when it comes to buying players, we are usually only two or three injuries away from having a team which can't compete in the league.
I don't like to say it but that's the grim reality, as I see it.
Were we to slip out of the Championship - and our survival is far from guaranteed, think how awful we were until recently - we could take years to get promoted. |  |
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