| London Lisa 16:18 - Mar 22 with 4554 views | Dr_Parnassus |
Written a terrific post on Swansea’s second forum. We have had our disagreements in the past but will always give credit when and where it’s due.
A thoroughly excellent read and agree with every word. Not sure how anyone could argue.
I’m sure she (or anyone else) won’t mind me posting it on here as a discussion point.
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“I genuinely think people are watching a different game to me.
Firstly, Cooper didn’t play hoof ball. And as for turgid, imagine that match we’ve just endured with zero crowd noise and atmosphere and then talk boring.
Secondly we don’t at present ‘play football’. We aimlessly pass it back and forth with almost no movement and no pace (although it can look pleasant) until we reach the half way line, where we suffer vertigo and have no idea whatsoever what to do. At this point, Wolf or Christie will almost always lose the ball, the team we are playing breaks relatively quickly and we realise we are quite hopelessly out of position, overloaded at the back, and reliant on the fact that the majority of championship teams can’t finish very well (see Birmingham as an example of this).
Almost all of our actual goals come from longer or quicker balls, played instead of the Martin recycle of the sake of it mantra.
The system we employ is designed to both overload in attack and overload in defence, resulting in rapid recovery of the ball where we lose possession and dominant attack. Liverpool don’t play it. Man City do. When Man City play it often looks like they have more players on the pitch than the other team. It’s because of the system. Liverpool are more similar to Martinez, Rodgers, Laudrup etc.
But this system , relies on several pieces being in place for it to work.
One is wing backs who are genuinely attackers when we attack and defenders when we defend. What we have is attackers who aren’t as fast and skilful as proper wingers would be, yet who lack the pace to recover and defend when necessary, so the worst of both worlds.
It also relies on central midfielders who switch play quickly from back to front and from side to side. Man City do it well because they have De Bruyne amongst others. We have Grimes as our number one. Who only has one foot and has the turning circle of a Range Rover so can’t do what is needed quickly enough. Allowing the other team to recover and the attacking overload to disappear.
You also need centre backs who are athletic enough to cover side to side in the absence of full backs, are strong enough or have sufficient anticipation to prevent the aerial threat in the presence of a tall opposition striker, yet are able to play to the extent that one or other breaks the line as part of the attacking overload depending on what side it is or whether we have split further up the pitch to allow the central player to advance. We don’t have that. We have full backs as holding players, centre backs as wider players and no one with an ounce of pace. And our keeper at present doesn’t seem strong enough either for the system.
Instead of attacking and defensive overloading we lose the attacking overload because we are so bloody slow and yet are out of position to the extent that our players are not athletic or fast enough to create the defensive overload. In fact, it’s so bad it creates a defensive deficit for us.
It’s not rocket science, it’s completely obvious what we are trying to do, and even more obvious why we don’t have the ability to make it work. The fact that Martin won’t accept that, and seems to think it’s a tactic so clever that any players can make it work is ridiculous.
Our play is predictable and boring the vast majority of the time. Unless we discover a hidden gem or four in our youth or for relatively minimal transfer fees, we will never get it to work without significant amendment. Martinez, Rodgers etc created the overload by fast movement of players and ball, creating an overload by use of triangles where one player could be part of three triangles at a time, left side, right side and forward spot with the other players doing the same thing. It meant we always had an available out. The beauty of that is it didn’t rely on raw athleticism, but instead quick thinking, positional sense and quick feet. Easier to find smart players who maybe smaller or less naturally athletic than others, but who could fit in to our system. Also cheaper as too many teams look for the same athletic attributes so may discard smaller or less athletic players even if they have the quicker brain.
Anyway, that all a bit rambling way of saying that Martin will either change his approach or will continue doing badly.
And I’ve been watching us since 1976 so don’t bother with the whole ‘you’ve obviously just been watching us for two minutes’ nonsense.
Finally, I do wish people would stop saying our history shows us to be ‘x’ level. That was before we spent 7 years earning the best part of a billion quid playing in the premier league at the height of its earning power with very little to show for it (as a club that is - a few have quite a bit to show for it).”
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Bravo Lisa, one of the best analytical posts I think I have read on these forums 👠[Post edited 22 Mar 2022 16:20]
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| London Lisa on 08:44 - Mar 23 with 1204 views | onehunglow |
| London Lisa on 22:38 - Mar 22 by lifelong |
Why to posters say things like “Swansea’s second forum” and the “Poor relations next door” ?
Aren’t we all supposed to be Swans fans? |
Yes,Rog.
We ALL are.
Christchurch to Cimla
Carlisle to Carmarthen.
Armchair,pouffe ,plastic seat or a bench in Benalmadena.
ALL FANS. |  |
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| London Lisa on 09:35 - Mar 23 with 1176 views | builthjack |
| London Lisa on 22:54 - Mar 22 by Dr_Parnassus |
Could be banned… if I signed up and misbehaved you mean?
Yes I suppose. Doesn’t sound like me though. |
Are you banned? |  |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| London Lisa on 09:57 - Mar 23 with 1145 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 09:35 - Mar 23 by builthjack |
Are you banned? |
No idea.
Can you be banned from a website you have never been a member of? | |
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| London Lisa on 10:08 - Mar 23 with 1120 views | lifelong |
| London Lisa on 08:44 - Mar 23 by onehunglow |
Yes,Rog.
We ALL are.
Christchurch to Cimla
Carlisle to Carmarthen.
Armchair,pouffe ,plastic seat or a bench in Benalmadena.
ALL FANS. |
Yes Richard, all are Swans fans except those that want Cardiff City to beat us in a couple of weeks time. |  | | |
| London Lisa on 10:14 - Mar 23 with 1110 views | Lorax |
| London Lisa on 21:22 - Mar 22 by AndyCole |
Not at all Doc.
That post is simply plagiarised from the stuff you, the forum's staff writers and other notables on this forum have been banging on ad infinitum for the best part of this season.
At least it shows that the penny is finally dropping amongst the poorer relations next door. |
Not plagiarised, in her own words. Do you know what plagiarised means?
However, what she says is what some have been saying on here from the beginning and what some others (myself included) have turned to believing as the months have rolled by.
Martin is persisting with a system we don't have the ability to play and with not much likelihood we will ever have the players to play. He refuses to "sacrifice" his principles so instead he is sacrificing Swansea City. | | | |
| London Lisa on 10:37 - Mar 23 with 1073 views | builthjack |
| London Lisa on 09:57 - Mar 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
No idea.
Can you be banned from a website you have never been a member of? |
If you are not a member why do you say its the second best forum? | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| London Lisa on 10:39 - Mar 23 with 1071 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 10:37 - Mar 23 by builthjack |
If you are not a member why do you say its the second best forum? |
Because I’m not a member. | |
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| London Lisa on 11:00 - Mar 23 with 1043 views | onehunglow |
| London Lisa on 10:08 - Mar 23 by lifelong |
Yes Richard, all are Swans fans except those that want Cardiff City to beat us in a couple of weeks time. |
Re read it Rog me on mucked and don’t edit. Read it as an entity.
A significant defeat could save our club from further being ruined by Martin.
It’s a lost leader ,so to speak.
Did yiu support awards in the Six Nations .
Be honest now | |
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| London Lisa on 11:52 - Mar 23 with 988 views | lifelong |
| London Lisa on 11:00 - Mar 23 by onehunglow |
Re read it Rog me on mucked and don’t edit. Read it as an entity.
A significant defeat could save our club from further being ruined by Martin.
It’s a lost leader ,so to speak.
Did yiu support awards in the Six Nations .
Be honest now |
Don’t understand that question..anyone translate? | | | |
| London Lisa on 17:28 - Mar 23 with 898 views | builthjack |
| London Lisa on 11:52 - Mar 23 by lifelong |
Don’t understand that question..anyone translate? |
It's something about some awards at the 6 Nations. I think. Maybe. | |
| Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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| London Lisa on 18:04 - Mar 23 with 869 views | raynor94 |
| London Lisa on 11:00 - Mar 23 by onehunglow |
Re read it Rog me on mucked and don’t edit. Read it as an entity.
A significant defeat could save our club from further being ruined by Martin.
It’s a lost leader ,so to speak.
Did yiu support awards in the Six Nations .
Be honest now |
A significant defeat! Yeah, let's get rid of Martin, and get Barton in from Rovers, he's doing an excellent job there.
Take a day off from Martin slating, he's going nowhere, do your BP the world of good |  |
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| London Lisa on 18:22 - Mar 23 with 850 views | onehunglow |
| London Lisa on 18:04 - Mar 23 by raynor94 |
A significant defeat! Yeah, let's get rid of Martin, and get Barton in from Rovers, he's doing an excellent job there.
Take a day off from Martin slating, he's going nowhere, do your BP the world of good |
Joey la not even remotely funny.How odd a comment is that.
Russ leaving all of a sudden will see the Tawe flood with tear shed.
Get real Raynor .He aint the boy for us. Get over it. | |
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| London Lisa on 18:31 - Mar 23 with 841 views | raynor94 |
| London Lisa on 18:22 - Mar 23 by onehunglow |
Joey la not even remotely funny.How odd a comment is that.
Russ leaving all of a sudden will see the Tawe flood with tear shed.
Get real Raynor .He aint the boy for us. Get over it. |
He might not be in the long term, but your constant slating of him day in out, even when we don't have a game, is pitiful, everyday is groundhog day with you. | |
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| London Lisa on 18:37 - Mar 23 with 832 views | onehunglow |
| London Lisa on 18:31 - Mar 23 by raynor94 |
He might not be in the long term, but your constant slating of him day in out, even when we don't have a game, is pitiful, everyday is groundhog day with you. |
Its God 's work Ray.
As long as people pot endles drivel about this coach,I ll carry on. Note ,I tick to the rules of this site and rarely abuse anyone;I never initiate but Ill be damned if I ll roll over.
You don't talk about my BP.Thanks for your concern.
Tomorrow ,we're off to north Yorkshire for a couple of days and then to pick up our pup on Saturday. It'll be a fun project and take my mind off the Swans. .
I will also be missing the Austria game as I m taking wifey out for a meal in Harrogate but dont tell Lifey as he'll be all over me again. I 'll try to catch the "highlights" and see if Bale is healthy . | |
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| London Lisa on 18:51 - Mar 23 with 821 views | raynor94 |
| London Lisa on 18:37 - Mar 23 by onehunglow |
Its God 's work Ray.
As long as people pot endles drivel about this coach,I ll carry on. Note ,I tick to the rules of this site and rarely abuse anyone;I never initiate but Ill be damned if I ll roll over.
You don't talk about my BP.Thanks for your concern.
Tomorrow ,we're off to north Yorkshire for a couple of days and then to pick up our pup on Saturday. It'll be a fun project and take my mind off the Swans. .
I will also be missing the Austria game as I m taking wifey out for a meal in Harrogate but dont tell Lifey as he'll be all over me again. I 'll try to catch the "highlights" and see if Bale is healthy . |
Enjoy your break, you need one  | |
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| London Lisa on 19:07 - Mar 23 with 802 views | 73__73 |
Lisa is talking a load of cr@p.
Over analysing is all she’s doing.
Football is a simple game. | |
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| London Lisa on 20:08 - Mar 23 with 767 views | onehunglow |
| London Lisa on 18:51 - Mar 23 by raynor94 |
Enjoy your break, you need one |
Thanks Ray.
You too
#Love you really. | |
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| London Lisa on 21:01 - Mar 23 with 739 views | KeithHaynes |
| London Lisa on 18:37 - Mar 23 by onehunglow |
Its God 's work Ray.
As long as people pot endles drivel about this coach,I ll carry on. Note ,I tick to the rules of this site and rarely abuse anyone;I never initiate but Ill be damned if I ll roll over.
You don't talk about my BP.Thanks for your concern.
Tomorrow ,we're off to north Yorkshire for a couple of days and then to pick up our pup on Saturday. It'll be a fun project and take my mind off the Swans. .
I will also be missing the Austria game as I m taking wifey out for a meal in Harrogate but dont tell Lifey as he'll be all over me again. I 'll try to catch the "highlights" and see if Bale is healthy . |
Russ has just breathed a huge sigh of relief 😉
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| London Lisa on 21:42 - Mar 23 with 712 views | Flashberryjack |
Lisa is indeed a very articulate poster, proved again on this occasion, by writing an extremely long post stating what most of us have been saying for ages, but using far fewer words, not as grammatically correct, and maybe not with all punctuation marks where they should be, but basically the same thing.
With regards to the other site, some great posters on there, but it also has more than it's fair share of nasty feckers, especially if you don't agree with their political leanings. |  |
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| London Lisa on 21:55 - Mar 23 with 691 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 21:42 - Mar 23 by Flashberryjack |
Lisa is indeed a very articulate poster, proved again on this occasion, by writing an extremely long post stating what most of us have been saying for ages, but using far fewer words, not as grammatically correct, and maybe not with all punctuation marks where they should be, but basically the same thing.
With regards to the other site, some great posters on there, but it also has more than it's fair share of nasty feckers, especially if you don't agree with their political leanings. |
To be fair to Lisa she was one of the posters who were among those of us discussing it right at the start.
So while yes it is a post with points made by others too, this is just neatly put together in one post and it makes for stark reading for anyone trying to make a case that what we are witnessing is acceptable. | |
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| London Lisa on 22:08 - Mar 23 with 664 views | jack_lord |
Why isn't Lisa posting on here? |  |
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| London Lisa on 22:11 - Mar 23 with 663 views | Flashberryjack |
| London Lisa on 21:55 - Mar 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
To be fair to Lisa she was one of the posters who were among those of us discussing it right at the start.
So while yes it is a post with points made by others too, this is just neatly put together in one post and it makes for stark reading for anyone trying to make a case that what we are witnessing is acceptable. |
That's roughly my point.
You'll have no argument from me with regards to Lisa's ability to get her point over using in the written word. | |
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| London Lisa on 22:20 - Mar 23 with 654 views | STID2017 |
| London Lisa on 22:08 - Mar 23 by jack_lord |
Why isn't Lisa posting on here? |
Rumour has it she cant Stand Dr P or UHL  |  |
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| London Lisa on 23:07 - Mar 23 with 626 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| London Lisa on 22:20 - Mar 23 by STID2017 |
Rumour has it she cant Stand Dr P or UHL |
I heard a rumour she can't stand those that make up their views as they go along to suit whatever narrative they are trying to portray.
Sounds more like you than me  | |
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| London Lisa on 23:19 - Mar 23 with 621 views | STID2017 |
| London Lisa on 23:07 - Mar 23 by Dr_Parnassus |
I heard a rumour she can't stand those that make up their views as they go along to suit whatever narrative they are trying to portray.
Sounds more like you than me |
Whatever matey.
I was listening to Simon Jordan this morning on Talkshite and for a while I was thinking who does this arrogant, up his own Harris, know it all remind me of ?
Then I remembered it was the great blunder from down under  | |
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